ArtieD

Wow. Clearly, I have mistaken your motives. I'm thoroughly trolled. I'm not sure what else to say. This forum seems to have little use for new perspectives. I see that now. Okay. Message received. I am uncertain where this cruel bitterness stems from or why it is so important to stoke its existence, but I won't continue to enable it for you. New perspectives are welcomed. Yours are...how do I say it...absurd. You don't like certain things you find in caches and you go on this grand crusade to try to end it, instead of simply ignoring it and moving on. Do you see why people might not be so keen on the idea that you espouse, especially since you lack a lot of real-world caching experience?

Let's try this again... LaughterOnWater, how many of the ones you have found would you say have the material?

Yes. How many total? DON"T BITE! THERE IS A HOOK IN THAT WORM!! Could you please stop trolling everything I post for once? I really want to know. Jeez... Oh, come on! Like that wasn't a troll of your own! No, it wasn't I am trying to have a civil conversation, so please find something else to do. I am done dealing with you. Good day.

Yes. How many total? DON"T BITE! THERE IS A HOOK IN THAT WORM!! Could you please stop trolling everything I post for once? I really want to know. Jeez...

Yes. How many total?

Funniest post of the week, expecting LoW to find that many. Well, at his current rate of 1.09 caches per day (38 caches over 35 days), should take 688 days to do it.

Don't quote me, but I think it's against the rules to force you to wait for approval to log the cache, as long as you do what's required of you.

I think that it would be unwise to assume that the lack of comment confers a consensus of agreement that a statement is correct. ^ ^ ^ This. I've lost count of how many times I've vehemently disagreed with something on these forums, started to type a response, and then decided it would be better to just keep my mouth shut. And I have posted that I agree with somebody's comment, many times. There are ways to do that without simply adding "+1", which doesn't add a whole lot to the discussion. --Larry +1 +2

Disagreeing isn't "trashing." Stop defending yourself. I rarely see you agreeing with someone. When people are correct there is rarely need to comment. That is so true. In my past life I learned that commenting on someone being correct, (or behaving well) really goes a long ways, and should be done regularly. No comment. [insert comment]

And on what basis have you determined that this particular issue is rampant? Can you qualify this assessment? He's presumably found a few geocaches with things in it that he does not like, has amplified the importance of it and has determined it to be rampant. That's at least what I gather from his posts.

The irony is delicious indeed. It isn't, but the OP fails to see it.

Nothing is wrong and the rules do not need to be changed. Again, ignore that swag if you don't like it. Maybe in your mind people are in general agreeing with your point, but don't presume to speak for others. What you propose is no different than what you claim to hate...you are pushing your agenda on others.

If the OP presents an idea which at best is ludicrous, you'd better believe people will call them out on it.

So everyone should just encourage this guy to do something that's clearly a bad idea, because he's new? What's the benefit of that? I tend to agree. Are to just sit there and say "Great idea!" and just genuflect in the presence of the proposal, no matter how silly it may be? I thought dissent was and still is an important thing? There wouldn't be anything to talk about. "I'm going to put gummy worms out as swag." "Wow! Nice idea!" "Kids will love it!" "I don't like green ones." "Stop taking away his voice!" MODERATOR CLOSES THREAD.

So everyone should just encourage this guy to do something that's clearly a bad idea, because he's new? What's the benefit of that? I tend to agree. Are to just sit there and say "Great idea!" and just genuflect in the presence of the proposal, no matter how silly it may be? I thought dissent was and still is an important thing?

On the flip side of the coin, why you and many others are so obsessed about this as well. Afraid that your right will be taken away? Many of you on the other side are so fast to tell the OP to get a life and leave this topic alone. Not sure why you are so worked up about it. This particular user has started several threads, the gist of each one being "I have 30 finds, people are doing something I don't like, and here's my really aggressive plan to force them to stop." Pretty much this. Why do you feel so threatened by this? It is just an idea for discussion, not a law in front of Congress. Groundspeak will do what they feel the need to do, not what somebody suggests in a forum thread. I agree with SwineFlew... why are you so obsessed with this? And why does the number of posts someone has have anything to do with how good or bad an idea is? How many finds did Dave Ulmer have when he hid the first cache? That was still a pretty good idea, wasn't it? Where would this forum be if people didn't start threads? What would you prefer to discuss? Hi, knowschad! I was afraid you were ill or something. You haven't jumped on anything I've said in a few hours.

On the flip side of the coin, why you and many others are so obsessed about this as well. Afraid that your right will be taken away? Many of you on the other side are so fast to tell the OP to get a life and leave this topic alone. Not sure why you are so worked up about it. This particular user has started several threads, the gist of each one being "I have 30 finds, people are doing something I don't like, and here's my really aggressive plan to force them to stop." Pretty much this.

I mean this with all due respect, but... Why are you so obsessed with this? We've already established that there are people who dig the stuff, so why are you so hell bent on getting rid of it?

I still fail to see an issue here, especially when the likelihood of finding such things is usually pretty slim and, most importantly, can be ignored.

Have you considered taking your own advice? From what I've seen you can't seem to ignore any thing LoW has posted, but rather than discussing the merits of the issue you've attacked him again and again based on the fact that he doesn't have years of experience and thousands of finds. I attack his position because it's ludicrous to expect people to do what he asks. I attack his position because it's frankly a non-issue. I attack his position because be seems to think that because he dislikes something, the game should be bent to his whims. I attack his position because he basically equates true agenda caches with mostly benign swag. I attack his position because instead of simply ignoring what he finds and moving on to the next cache, he creates stupid threads like this. Finally, yes, I attack him because a guy with very little experience who wants to change the game is not to be taken seriously. Need I go on? Please do. You seem bent on ATTACKING him because you don't like what he says instead of maybe...oh, I don't know...having a mature discussion or, as someone else stated, just following your own advice and ignoring it and, as you say, "moving on". No point, really. It's already been established that his ideas are ludicrous, so anything else said would be redundant...

Have you considered taking your own advice? From what I've seen you can't seem to ignore any thing LoW has posted, but rather than discussing the merits of the issue you've attacked him again and again based on the fact that he doesn't have years of experience and thousands of finds. I attack his position because it's ludicrous to expect people to do what he asks. I attack his position because it's frankly a non-issue. I attack his position because be seems to think that because he dislikes something, the game should be bent to his whims. I attack his position because he basically equates true agenda caches with mostly benign swag. I attack his position because instead of simply ignoring what he finds and moving on to the next cache, he creates stupid threads like this. Finally, yes, I attack him because a guy with very little experience who wants to change the game is not to be taken seriously. Need I go on?

The funny thing is, he believes his own hype. Those female undergarments of his must be bunched to critical mass by now... All this to do about something that can be ignored. LOL

Oh, knowschad...you amuse me sometimes. It's like you disagree for the sake of disagreeing, even though you know the person is right. Keep on, buddy! All in all, this is a pointless thread...amusing, but pointless. The "new" OP here can result ignore what he doesn't like, yet he has to make another federal case about it, calling for sweeping changes. You can't but quality entertainment like this! 6,500+ finds and I might have experienced what he's whining about a dozen times...

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I think it's common for new people to feel like they are brimming with great ideas that nobody's thought of before, but it is a little tedious for forum old-timers and regulars to rehash all of these ancient topics that have been beaten to dust in the past. It's tough to get some geocachers to understand that the best way to improve things is through their own habits, rather than by trying to control strangers. The way the forum is set-up, both in technical terms and in the culture that is enforced by heavy moderation, doesn't promote an appropriate level of lurking and getting-up-to-speed that one generally expects in a busy forum. Most of the forum regulars respect the difference between "Getting Started" and "Geocaching Topics," but that distinction isn't enforced in the other direction. I suppose that is true, and you hit on my biggest rubs of the whole deal...rehashing old topics all the time and wanting to change the game all the time.