GlfWrVt
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“ The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
How is a Police Officer (an arm of the .Gov) demanding your ID when you are doing nothing wrong or illegal, or even really suspicious not a violation of the above?
I like the Police and respect that they have a tough job. I am always polite and friendly with them, but if they are just asking me for ID, then I will refuse. If they demand ID, then I will comply. I will just not volunteer to give it to them unless they can articulate a reason that I'm being stopped. I will also never, ever consent to a search of my person or property. If they have a reason to search, they will w/o my consent whether I give my permission or not. If a police officer is asking to search your vehicle or person, they are doing it with the intent to find some reason to take you to jail. They're not doing it because it's a good way to kill an evening or to get to know you better.
-Mark.
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LEO: You got any ID?
GEO: Am I suspected of committing a crime?
LEO: Well, err.. No.
GEO: Am I free to go?
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It is my understanding (from another activity where you would get stopped by LEO more) that if you are not suspected of committing a crime then you do not have to provide identification. At least that's how it is in my state. (Unless you are in a car.) If you aren't doing anything that is wrong then both of your time will be wasted.
What say you Riffster or any other LEO?
Many states require that a police officer positively identify everyone they come into contact with. That means if you upset a police officer by needlessly saying no, they can take you to jail until you provide a valid ID or they can fingerprint you (hopefully you're in their system). Why not just show them your ID if you're not breaking the law? It seems that by not cooperating you are just asking for trouble. I've siad it here before; There are lots of people that get arrested because of a bad attitude. You could keep that attitude and go to jail, or you could lose it and get a ticket or even a warning.
M24
There's this thing called the 4th admendment... In fact, in Oregon, an officer can ask for ID from anyone, but you don't have to show him. If he requires it from you, now you have been stopped, and there has to be cause for that.
-Mark.
You sound like a lot like a guy I work with. He will go out of his way and cause himself a great deal of headache just to prove a point, when if he simply just did what was asked, he could be on his way in no time. Just seems silly to me. But to each his own I reckon. Hand over your ID and be done with it, or spend the next few hours down at the prescient to prove your point. Hmmm, tough call.
I don't have a problem with supplying my ID when asked and there is a reason. But I will refuse to give ID just because someone wants to see it and run me "just for fun". The officer must be able to articulate why I am being stopped.
Why not just show them your ID if you're not breaking the law?
For the same reason that I sometimes openly carry a sidearm: The constitution says it's my right, and if we never exercise our rights, we are in danger of losing them.
In the United States of America, we have no law that requires you to "show ID" to anyone, except under specific circumstances. If you are operating a motor vehicle, you can be required to show a license. If the officer has probable cause to suspect you of a crime, you can be required to show ID. If an officer is just asking for ID out of habit, or curiosity, then he can go stuff it.
The Constitution does not say it's your right. The Constitution meerly affirms the right granted by GOD.
-Mark.
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LEO: You got any ID?
GEO: Am I suspected of committing a crime?
LEO: Well, err.. No.
GEO: Am I free to go?
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It is my understanding (from another activity where you would get stopped by LEO more) that if you are not suspected of committing a crime then you do not have to provide identification. At least that's how it is in my state. (Unless you are in a car.) If you aren't doing anything that is wrong then both of your time will be wasted.
What say you Riffster or any other LEO?
Many states require that a police officer positively identify everyone they come into contact with. That means if you upset a police officer by needlessly saying no, they can take you to jail until you provide a valid ID or they can fingerprint you (hopefully you're in their system). Why not just show them your ID if you're not breaking the law? It seems that by not cooperating you are just asking for trouble. I've siad it here before; There are lots of people that get arrested because of a bad attitude. You could keep that attitude and go to jail, or you could lose it and get a ticket or even a warning.
M24
There's this thing called the 4th admendment... In fact, in Oregon, an officer can ask for ID from anyone, but you don't have to show him. If he requires it from you, now you have been stopped, and there has to be cause for that.
-Mark.
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This was the second time I have encountered law enforcement while caching (850+ finds). This time they seemed to have no clue about geocaching, so I had to show them the GPSr and explain the whole thing to them They also demanded my ID and ran a check on me. All this was for a cache in a public park. I tried searching this forum, but could not find other topics on this. Could you guys comment and give me links to other people that have encountered this situation. There are a lot of people caching now in "urban" situations now and I am interested in some ideas.
What was his PC for stopping you? Why do you feel obligated to explain yourself?
-Mark.
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I just checked my 60CSx mag compass with my suunto M-2 mag compass. The 60CSx is 10 - 15 degrees off all the time. This is taking into account declination.
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I just upgraded to General Class and Took on my Grandfathers Call sign.
K7HWZ
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I got my Tilley TH-4 Hemp hat the other day. My intitial impression is that this is one well made hat. I love the pocket in the top and it feels soooo comfy sitting on my grape. It sits low on my head and shields my eyes and back of the neck very well. It sure looks miles better than my old Army issue Desert boonie hat and the Seattle sombrero. I'll post again later with further info if I can remember to do it.
-Mark.
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A Pit Bull of course!
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Topic resurrection!
I just ordered a Tilley TH4 Hemp hat.
I have been wearing my Army issue desert boonie or my OR Seattle Sombrero for a while now and would like something a little more "classy". I think the Tilley will fill the bill.
-Mark.
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I'm always amused by people who say "Yeah sure, the police should have guns, but the Average Joe shouldn't be allowed to have one!"
Can someone tell me why a police officers life, is any more valuable than mine? From where I stand, It aint.
-Mark.
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I carry a mace baton so I can fend off beast or man... even endangered species beast... without breaking any laws and incurring fines. The last thing I'd ever want to do is kill a Florida Panther who just felt threatened by me and was defending itself. I have not had an opportunity to use the mace baton, thank goodness, but there was a situation (with man, not beast) that prompted me getting the baton in the first place. Mind you, I've almost hit a Florida black bear with my car as it was running across the road. That's just a consequence of taking all their land for subdivisions and shopping malls.
A lot of my family lives in the backwoods of Upper Michigan. I hear a lot of stories about people who get fined for shooting bears in self-defense... bears that were breaking into their homes. These are situations where you really can't put any blame on the person, and yet they still got fined.
If you want to have a rifle (or twenty) for hunting during the seasons, good for you, but I personally don't feel safe around people who feel a need to carry a firearm on them all the time.
- Elle
Well, because concealed means what it means, you will most likely never know who is armed and who is not. If you do find out that a person who is licensed to carry is carrying, you will most likey be very glad he/she is there.
And as far as the baton goes, My State (Oregon) in it's great wisdom, issues a "concealed handgun license". It is still unlawful for me to carry a baton, or any other weapon as defined by the state, concealed on my person. A handgun is okay though. Figure that one out.
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Glock 23 all the time.
-Mark.
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RAM Mounts For the Win!!!
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RAM mounts for the win!!!
-Mark.
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If you draw you better shoot.
Are we all Ghurkas that have vowed that our blade must taste blood when unsheathed? Where is the logic in that? The mere sound of a slide being racked, a hammer being cocked, or a rifle/shotgun action being racked can end a conflict without bloodshed.
It's called visual deterrant.
I am pretty sure it is illegal to just draw as a threat.
It's illegal to brandish a firearm in anything other than a true threat situation. Pointing a gun to a guy who is attempting to mug or carjack you and NOT shooting is perfectly okay if you are licensed to carry or otherwise within the perameters or your state's gun laws.
I've pointed a gun at someone on two different occasions. One was a guy trying to open my car door at a stop sign. The other was a guy about to break into my car. In both cases I was justified and in both cases the situation ended immediately WITHOUT shooting.
If I'm ever FORCED to shoot someone they will be soooo freakin' close to me that I won't miss. The entry wound will be in the front of their body as they advance on me and their clothes will probably catch fire from the muzzle blast due to proximity while all the time I'm yelling "STOP!!!" at the top of my lungs. Unless THEY have a gun at which point I'd drop 'em the instant I saw it and was certain they had a gun.
And if you shoot, you shoot to kill. I am pretty sure that is the law (in my state).
NO ONE who has been trained shoots to KILL or to wound. You shoot AT center of mass and you shoot to STOP a threat. Intent to kill opens a HUGE can of worms. Grand juries don't cotton to the word kill.
Frankly, if you're NOT PREPARED for the outcome of a justified shooting/stabbing/asp-ing/what-the-heck-ever you have no business even carrying a weapon. Carry pepper spray and RUNNNNNN.
The average justified killing costs the defendant between $12K and $30k to be represented before a grand jury. The little clause in the law that says "civil penalties not withstanding" averages out to another $75k+ depending on whether you win or lose when/if the criminal's family decides to sue you. That's just an average for my state. Your mileage may vary.
I doubt there'd be so many cowboy attitudes if folks took the time to train and prepare properly for the moment when they might be in a shootin' match. I have trained for 20 years and I'm still not ready enough for what comes after. I hope I never hafta be.
Well said. Everyone should be aware of the results of shooting someone whether you are in the right or not.
-Mark.
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I prefer to use existing structures to camo my ammo cans.
Here is my latest hide....
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and I do get lots of comments !
I would have used a slightly more transparent color selection for this particular hide. Something like......
Just my thoughts.
But really, I laughed sooo hard when I saw your post! Too funny!
That's great!
-Mark.
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eek you Americans scare me
I had the gun chat once with a taxi driver in Miami, I was telling him how scared I am of them and could never touch one, and he calmly leaned over and opened his glove compartment and there was a HUGE hand gun.
I screamed like a girl while he nearly wet himself laughing.
I stuttered "is-is-is-is-is-is i-i-i-i-it loaded????" and he laughed and said "of course it is, what use would it be if it wasn't???"
Sometimes I'm glad I live in England
I find it amusing that you were more afraid of the firearm in the glove box than you were of a ride in an automobile. Take a guess at which one was more likely to hurt you on that trip?
If you're not worried about your safety while out and about, you should be. It just takes one time to make you a believer.
And remember, when seconds count, the police are just a few minutes away.
-Mark.
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Here's mine. I bought it to carry photography gear, a couple of lenses, batteries, memory cards, etc. I now use it for everyday things. I don't know what I did without it.
-Mark.
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As I was replacing a find tonight, I was approached by some Park Rangers who asked me my business. I explained myself and they said that the cache was not permitted and should be removed. They gave me permission to replace the cache so the owner could retrieve it.
What's the etiquette in this situation? Should I enter a "needs archived" log or just mention my encounter when I log the find and leave it up to the owner to remove the cache?
Apologies if this topic shows up elsewhere--I couldn't find it if it does.
CharliePop
"A plan is something from which to deviate."
Your business is none of thiers.
I'm just sayin'...
-Mark.
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I carry the old Surefire 6P daily and when out at night I carry my 6P and Surefire M3 combat light. The M3 is one brite son of a gun.
Mark.
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This is my daily carry stuff. I take all this stuff with me while caching too...
Glock 23 (.40 Cal) Strong side. IWB (inside the Waste Band) Galco holster
Not shown is my Surefire 6P flashlight.
Mark.
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Danners.
Mark.
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Glock 23 (.40 cal) in this.
Galco IWB holster.
Everywhere I go. All the time.
Mark.
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My name translates into "Gulf War Vet". 1st Armored Div. Attached to the 2nd Armored Cav. My avatar is the unit "patch" for the 3rd Infantry Div.
Mark.
What's your leatherman?
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Wave here. But I'd like to have a MUT too.