wildchld97

Well heloooo that is what I said I was going to do. I don't even own any of these caches and hey... No big. I will take one for the team and educate.

I figured I'd just wait and speak to the person face to face at his event. I just wanted to make sure that I was not making a big deal out of nothing by asking the geocaching community first though. Lol Better safe than sorry.

No. They do not own or manage Moon Park. Lol

I will be going to their event, so I will unfortunately have to retrace my steps and retrieve the trackable and secure it so its not taken inadvertantly. dadgum, my legs and arms just healed from that mess. Lol

OT, did you really chop down vines and berry thickets to make it easier to access a cache belonging to another? LOL! The path to this cache was indeed overgrown with plants from hell! I felt like I was exploring the Amazon jungle. I only cleared enough to get through. Good luck for the next pour soul. Lol!

I also just placed a travel bug in the "Get some practice in" cache. https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC19X7Q_get-some-practice-in-1-home-run?guid=3a61bd06-4c79-46ba-aaed-13405e0ffea8 I'm not going to be happy if I have to revisit this cache before this event to rescue it before some non geocache thinks its a cute "trinket" for trade. The poor guy traveled too many miles for that. Lol

Well, they are having an event on Oct 15 out at Moon Park at 10:30am. They are meeting at the Saturn Pavillion. Since I'm part of this online meetup group, I plan to attend and maybe politely explain why posting those coordinates was a bad idea. Maybe a little knowledge will go a long way. Maybe...

The Ohio River Trail Council posted the names and coordinates to many of the existing caches in one of our local parks. Is that a violation of some guidelines? If non members have this information, I'd be afraid of these caches getting muggled or compromised somehow. Here is the link. http://membership.ohiorivertrail.org/index.php/2-uncategorised/94-gear-cheer-geocaching

I know that I'm pretty much alone in this, but I do. Those that are supposed to learn about this, will learn about it. We don't need publicists. My opinion only. Would you rather those curious learn the ropes like a lot of the geocachers we constantly hear about in these forums? One of TAG's stated missions is "Fostering geocaching etiquette and responsible stewardship of our environment." We take that serious. We really have very few problem caches or cachers around here. Maybe we are really fortunate that the best of the best cache in our area. But I like to think it's because we work very hard to educate newbies and vets alike in the accepted practices of the geocaching community. Wow. I didn't know that Minnesota was the mecca of knoweledge. I mean REALLY? The "BEST OF THE BEST" is in MINNESOTA?

Oh..and the PREVIOUS post is how you respond to people with opinions and/or facts. This sarcasm crap has to go.

Look, I'm going to put this blunt. YOU are posting to the forum and pretty much DEMANDING that your idea be sanctified by the masses. FORGET IT BUB. YOU ARE WRONG AND YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR CACHE. I really don't care about the attitude...but the cache didn't pass the reviewer. Change the page, change the cache or get out of the game.

Yeah..you probably would feel it's "entertaining". School jock? Well anyway, "thanks you too" for your brilliant insight.

I disagree with the attitude bit, reviewers get extra pay for dealing with difficult people. No, like just about every case brought before the forum courts or the courts of last appeals, depending on how you want to look at it, there are a salient point or two not being mentioned by the OP. I really don't think the reviewers in Northern CA blow too many calls. If I were a betting man, and I am not, I would bet that appeals upholds the reviewer, not because they are bound to support the reviewers, but because they have the full story and will side with the reviewer as a good call. But we will see. Snarky much? The OP has their faults being NEW..but as someone who is experienced in the field giving supposed "advice"..that's a little bit too much sarcasm.

Oh Geez. This is a problem that can be solved in three seconds. CHANGE YOUR CACHE PAGE. I have no idea what you said on your cache page, but apparently it did not comply with the geocaching rules. If it's to "honor" someone...forget it. If it "memorializes" someone...forget it. If it mentiones a business name, an agenda of any sort..forget it. Look at your page, read the guidelines..and then if your cache is STILL not published..push it to an appeal.

I encounter alot of trespassing issues during the State deer season. Landowners are now able to mark their property with paint on trees, but to us that own deer lease property, even if it is clearly marked have to deal with trespassers. The NFS in my area has worked hard the last few years to mark their property. One place that I hunt spring gobblers that WE thought was NFS property was over a 1/2 mile off according to new markings, but maps show different? So no matter which outdoor sport we choose, be aware of your location as best you can. Well there ya go. I have a lot of hunters that technically tresspass on my land. Am I walking around shooting at them willy nilly? No. Some aren't aware that they are on my land because I can't mark every mother loving tree. That's cool. I don't shoot..I warn first...and I'm easily bribed if you bring gifts.

I'd wager that the vast majority of people hiding caches in parking lots of malls and shopping centers don't have permission. But unfortunately, there's not much that we can do about it. If it were up to me, I'd disallow any of those caches unless there was explicit written permission. Well, when YOU become a reviewer....I guess the world will be a better place.

That's exactly the point that I was trying to make. In part, the law states "The issue in many trespassing cases is twofold: has proper notice been provided that the person is not welcome in a particular area and exactly what area is the person prohibited from entering." If it's not marked..you're not technically trespassing...and you certainly can't go around shooting people because they are walking on land that you claim as your own. The burden of proof should be on the landowner in areas where a person could accidentally tread on their land without knowing it. If I'm in the state gamelands and whoops..I placed a cache 50 feet onto private land...how am I supposed to know?

But we should take the time. And in 95% of the cases, you don't even have to go to the clerk's office. In Rhode Island, almost every town has the tax maps/tax rolls on line. Some as PDFs of the plat maps, and others with a full-up GIS system. A handful of clicks, and I can tell you who owns a piece of property, and probably hwat their tax liability is. Hardest part is usually figuring out which town I need to search. I think my question would probably be why should *I* go through all that trouble? The landowner has the responsibility of marking their territory. Otherwise, people are going to end up straying where they don't belong. As a cache hider, you should (must in my opinion) go through the trouble, since you are the person who is placing something out there on someone's property, for others to go find. As a hider you're the one saying "everything is okey-dokey on this, come and find it". As a hider you're the one who checks the box saying you have adequate permisison from the landowner or land manager for the hide. Look, I'm talking about areas where a person would not normally pause and wonder if this might be private property. What I'm talking about are wilderness areas that border private property but not clearly marked. As for marking the box saying that I have "adequate permission". Does everyone have documented proof that their business parking lot hide, guardrail cache, railroad hide, and tot lot hide has this permission? Or are they just "saying" that they have permission?

But we should take the time. And in 95% of the cases, you don't even have to go to the clerk's office. In Rhode Island, almost every town has the tax maps/tax rolls on line. Some as PDFs of the plat maps, and others with a full-up GIS system. A handful of clicks, and I can tell you who owns a piece of property, and probably hwat their tax liability is. Hardest part is usually figuring out which town I need to search. I think my question would probably be why should *I* go through all that trouble? The landowner has the responsibility of marking their territory. Otherwise, people are going to end up straying where they don't belong. Here's where I have a problem with landowners in general. I hike a lot. Most of the time I'm pretty good about staying on the trail, but there are times when I've strayed away for one reason or another. Or..if I'm driving down a dirt road...I'll keep driving until it says "do not enter". If I've run into an area that is marked as private property, I respect the boundaries. If it is NOT clearly marked..I keep going. I'd have a big problem with some yahoo running after me with a gun on unmarked property...or property that they "claim" that they own but don't. Realistically, I can't see hikers and geocachers googling property lines on a regular basis.

The difference is how easy you make it for people to get a gun. Make it harder, and fewer people will have guns. Fewer people with guns means a lower chance to get shot at while geocaching (or whatever other activity). It's a simple equation really. The difference is how easy you make it for people to legally own a car. Make it harder, and fewer people will own cars. Fewer people with cars means a lower chance of being involved in an automobile accident while geocaching (or whatever other activity). It's a simple equation really. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: what a poor comparison...for the vast majority the car is a necessity, gets them to work etc...what is the necessity of carrying a gun? Well the same is true for cars and any other type of inanimate object that could be used to harm another...if used improperly or illegally. [edited to stay somewhat on topic before I get smacked. ] The owner of the cache probably made an honest mistake. Most of us (I think) do a good faith effort on determining whether a cache could be considered private property when we're in the woods or desert. Sometimes we don't have convenient maps, fences or "no trespassing signs" to go by when we're hunting or placing. I highly doubt that many of us take the time to troop to the county clerks office if there is any doubt. Still, in this particular case, the geocachers were unaware, they tried to leave peacefully and were still shot at. We need to be careful every time we're out there because we never know what we're dealing with. The person who supposedly owned this property used his weapon irreponsibly no matter which way you look at it and I'm fairly confidant that he will pay for his stupidity. Thank heavens the boy is ok.

[giggle] I really don't think that keystone can be bribed too easily...unless I have a case of ammo cans full of swag to offer.

can someone please hide the coord's to a decent car? My geobeast is about to have her next coronary.

My opinion only...I think it is bad form to involve a land manager/owner to get involved in anything beyond granting permission. Um NO. not bad form. The state parks here require a form to be filled out BEFORE placing a cache. IF this person placed a cache somewhere that a form or permission is required..then it's NOT unreasonable for the person who DID ask for permission to involve the land manager.

Rude? I don't think so. The OP wasn't "expecting" anything. They were just asking for advice. Lighten up.