Rigour

quote:Originally posted by Zartimus: quote:Originally posted by Rigour:I would like to complain about the beautiful naked women in my bed. I can't tell if that is plural or not[grin]. It's not plural. It's not even singular. That's my complaint.

I would like to complain about the beautiful naked women in my bed.

I would like to complain about the beautiful naked women in my bed.

There's 100+ kilos of Rigour. Either evolution put him at the top of the chain or God did. Either way, if plants don't wanna get stepped on, they better get outta my way. If they can't, well, too bad for them. You place a cache in a place where I have to whack some bush to get at it, well I'm here to tell you some bush is gonna get whacked. My motto is same as James Earl Jones in the Hunt for Red October: "Make a hole. Make it wide." This is not me saying I go outta my way to trample on flowers or plants. This is me saying that if a tree's braches are between me and where I'm headed, branches can bend or braches can break and I ain't gonna give it any thought at all. Now, trying not to have what I do give away the cache to the next guy, fair enough. But bottom line: you don't want me to trample through the area like the Hulk, don't put the cache there. Heavy is the only way I know how to walk.

http://www.gnb.ca/cnb/news/iga/2002e0888ig.htm

But I'll try not to. First in reponse to that's guy's site, that's impressive. I doubt very much that the networks will come up with anything as good as one guy. Second, a personal note. Last September 4th, I was on vacation with friends in NYC. They had tickets to the US Open, I didn't. They urged me to come down and buy a scalped ticket but I decided no, I'll go down and spend the day at the WTC. I remember walking there and thinking, "Maybe I should have gone with my friends, after all, the World Trade Centre is always gonna be there." I remember that thought very distinctly. I mention this because at the moment the first tower collapsed, I was absolutely gobsmacked. For someone who has never been there and looked up (and then gone up and looked down) at those towers, there's just no way of conveying how absolutely huge they were. Because they were so elegantly designed, they may have appearred to have been tall and thin - they weren't. They were thick and very very tall, if you take my point. More like giants than stick people. Third, what strikes me so much coming out of 9-11 is the basic decency of so many people - the kind of decency that so often doesn't get a chance to come out in the day to day grind of mundane life. How often we just sort of grunt at each other and try to make our socialization the minimum possible instead of actually inter-relating as human beings. Finally, and here is the trickiest bit. In a world with only one superpower, Canadians like myself will always be wary of a jingoistic America. The hatred of the United States doesn't spring out of nothing. Some of that hatred the US has earned for the wrong reasons (i.e because of moral failures in American foreign policy) - even though the vast majority of it has flowed against the US for the right reasons (i.e because it is an example of a feee and proud democracy, and that really ticks off a lot of tyrants who are terrified that they would lose power if ever their people got a whiff of what freedom is really like). I understand that politics stops at the water line, and that soldiers in the field must have unfailing support from home. But never let those be excuses for America to act rashly, excessively, or to curb freedom under the guise of its defense. I know some of the voices that are using 9-11 to go on the usual anti-corporatist tirades, they don't give me any comfort. What I do find reassuring are the many voices in the centre of America's polity who are continuing to insist that the nation act responsibly and in a way that demonstrates that ends do not justify the means. Their reflective and reasoned approach reassure me that America remains the world's First nation, and its best and brightest hope for the future. And when a nation like that lives up to its great promise, it is an honour for other nations to stand behind her, including mine. Indeed, and I add this for Americans' sakes, there are a goodly number of Canadians who are embarrassed at how weak our government has been in providing the friendship and support America deserves. 'Nuff said. [This message was edited by Rigour on September 11, 2002 at 12:25 PM.]

3. Description of the physical container (lets me know if I need to bring small items for trade) 4. Estimated time of the hike (not the same thing as distance) 5. Need for any required or recommended equipment, incl. water, bugspray, waterproof shoes, etc . Yes, I know I should bring those every time in any event, but it doesn't hurt to remind me. 6. A little bit of background about the area. Is it a park? Did Daniel Boone used to trap there? Are there lots of owls? Anything like that which I can have in mind as I hike to the site.

I've been wondering what to do with the increasingly large container of booty nuggets I'm amassing - more through my continual habit of seeing stuff and thinking "ooh, I should buy that, it would make a great booty nugget" than my actually going out and finding caches, I must admit. Jolly's solution of creating a new cache with these items really appeals to me.

to take my mother geocaching.

to take my mother geocaching.

quote:Originally posted by Snowtrail:

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quote:Originally posted by cannonlaw: quote:Where in the nursery rhyme does it say Humpty Dumpty is an egg? Oh my heavens! I never thought of that. Where does the egg thing come from? My whole childhood will have to be re-evaluated. Ironically, given the name cannonlaw, it is my undertsanding that Humpty Dumpty was originally a cannon in the English Civil War.

quote:Originally posted by cannonlaw: quote:Where in the nursery rhyme does it say Humpty Dumpty is an egg? Oh my heavens! I never thought of that. Where does the egg thing come from? My whole childhood will have to be re-evaluated. Ironically, given the name cannonlaw, it is my undertsanding that Humpty Dumpty was originally a cannon in the English Civil War.

Despite my posting my co-ordinates and the dazzlingly (Ok, ruggedly) handsome avatar on the left, not a single Playboy bunny whose turn-ons are body odor and poor housekeeping has beat a path to the door of my mobile home. I DID once retrieve from a cache a phone number on a piece of cardboard as my trade in/trade out item. I considered this more a public service (along the lines of "cache in, trash out") than an invitation to be considered, however. Never had the guts to call, I'm sure some guy was very disappointed - although conceiveably it was a woman, leading to a new definition of the term "booty nuggets". I wish Larry luck, but dude you'd be better to post in the Regional section. Remember that if you find twins you should share them with your good buddy Rigour. I use a Mag 315, just don't ask what I'm wearing....

Despite my posting my co-ordinates and the dazzlingly (Ok, ruggedly) handsome avatar on the left, not a single Playboy bunny whose turn-ons are body odor and poor housekeeping has beat a path to the door of my mobile home. I DID once retrieve from a cache a phone number on a piece of cardboard as my trade in/trade out item. I considered this more a public service (along the lines of "cache in, trash out") than an invitation to be considered, however. Never had the guts to call, I'm sure some guy was very disappointed - although conceiveably it was a woman, leading to a new definition of the term "booty nuggets". I wish Larry luck, but dude you'd be better to post in the Regional section. Remember that if you find twins you should share them with your good buddy Rigour. I use a Mag 315, just don't ask what I'm wearing....

quote:Originally posted by Lapaglia:Wife to me "read this in playboy, its called Geocaching, if you will get up of your A$$ and try it I'll buy you that GPS your always whineing about!" Me to wife "Cool!!!!!!!" And thus it started. Lapaglia, let me get this straight: 1. Your wife was reading Playboy 2. She saw something in an article (in Playboy!)that neither of you had done before, but that you had been "whining about" 3. She then suggested that you do it, and 4. She paid for the equipment needed to perform this activity. Dude, if I had a wife like that, I'd never leave the house.

My understanding is that it presently is being developed as a web-hosting site and has an armed security force guarding it. Make sure you get a visa before you go.

I take the cache print-out with me. I start with the co-ords and description the placer gave. I glance at the log entries to make sure the last 2 aren't no finds, but try not to take in the text. If I get close and can't find the cache, I check the log entries. Still no luck, I decipher the hint. Given my "abilities", I usually end up deciphering the hint.

As a fellow aerobically-challenged geocacher, these words really rang true for me. Thank for sharing, Jolly.

I see an occasional thread about people wishing caches contained less McCrap, a view I well understand. As a general rule I work hard to "trade up" if I can. On a good portion of my finds, I take nothing and leave something. Sometimes I take nothing because I see nothing I want - at other times I take something and replace it with something which is physically smaller, not because I want the object, but mainly to make room in the cache. I personally take pride when the booty nuggets I leave are grabbed by the next visitor - that's a sign I've done what I wanted to do. When setting a cache, my thoughts are usually like this: 1. In terms of "prizes", that is really more something that kids are interested in, so I try to make sure that my cache contains stuff kids will like. 2. For the adults, I want to leave nice stuff, but not TOO nice, because I'm always afraid the cache will get looted. So I try more for what I'd call "neat" stuff - things that may not cost a lot, but which are kinda cool. My question to the group, and specifically to cache placers, is: does the fear of looting also discourage you from leaving great booty? By the time I get the container, log book, booty, etc in place, I'm usually out the best part of $20. I'd LIKE to leave better booty, but if a $50 cache went missing, well, that would kind of tick me off. Also, I notice there's a kind of phenomenon of "cache deflation". People generally don't EXPECT that the cache will contain nice stuff, so they don't bring nice stuff to trade. So you could start with a great pile of booty to begin with but chances are within a few visits it would look largely as if you'd started with McCrap anyway. I'm interested in what others think about this. I agree 100% that it's about the hunt not the prizes, but still... what possible good are all this crap to anyone? Is there some way we could do better?

No pun intended here, but let's be honest: what we see here is a systematic pattern of deception over an extended period of time. How one reacts to this is really a factor of your moral code. The perpetrator is apparently a good fellow in other ways (or alternatively a quite skilled sociopath). Perhaps he enjoyed the feeling of putting one over on others - he seems a bright guy, perhaps he feels his superior intelligence and understanding of his own motives assures him the moral high ground. For other people the question is: does it matter if we are honest in something like this? After all, it's only a game, there are no prizes, etc. In this case for me that argument is largely negated by the hurt feelings and suspicion the cache "placers" now feel. Our actions do have effects outside ourselves, and whether we choose to care about how we make others feel is again a function of our moral code. I am not a big fan of virtual or locationless caches, but that's as may be. Things like this are one of the reasons why, but to each their own. I appreciate those who brought this forward - at the end of the day we are self-policing after all. I wouldn't like to see the hobby drive anyone out, but here's my sense: An adult like the perpetrator here is probably not going to alter his moral code based on anything that is said or done. He either regards his dishonesty in this case as unimportant (gee, what's all the fuss about? lighten up, everyone) or non-existant (it wasn't REALLY a lie), and will continue to do so. We should choose to continue to encourage the good qualities he brings to the hobby, but we should be under no illusions that he has "learned a lesson" or that this "won't happen again". The wording of his so-called apology makes it clear that nothing in how he sees the world has changed. He regrets being caught and the unfortunate attention, he does not see what he did as wrong. In our daily lives, we all tend to draw the honesty line in different places, and justify those times we lie. Incidents like this remind me to maybe scutinize where I put that line a little bit more, move a little closer to total honesty.

KODT for me

http://www.insidecorner.com/geocaching/stats/countries.cgi?country=Netherlands [This message was edited by Rigour on August 27, 2002 at 07:23 AM.]

http://www.insidecorner.com/geocaching/stats/countries.cgi?country=Netherlands [This message was edited by Rigour on August 27, 2002 at 07:23 AM.]