Sioneva

You got the cache opened first and signed the log first. You're FTF. That's my unofficial ruling. (THis wasn't in Iowa by any chance, was it?)

I'm getting less worried with each day. In our region, OC is not adding caches and they aren't being logged. The state of Wyoming doesn't have a single cache listing and there are several states with less than 10 caches listed. Looks like Garmin may have wasted a LOT of money. Within a 120 mile radius of me, there are 9, all cross-lists from GC, by two users. I see your point.

No, I've seen more epic fails! We still love you, all is forgiven!

My nuvi, Claire (she has an Australian accent), tends to get confused a lot up around Valentine, NE. Like the time she told me "Turn right on road." Since I was in the middle of an overpass bridge, I courteously declined her advice. Or her constant "turn right on Cowboy Trail". I would have been happy to, but I doubt the bikers on that particular hike-bike rails-to-trail path would have been as happy.

I think this thread has already been mocked. It sounded better than In Before the Love.

Heck, to save time, combine them! IN BEFORE THE MOCK!

I got stopped by a huge puddle (mini-pond?) completely covering the road while I was out caching yesterday. I couldn't tell how deep it was, and I didn't want to risk driving through it. I also parked the car on a dirt minimum maintenance road, and walked .35 miles over the snowcovered part of it to find a cache, rather than risk getting stuck. But then I own a little hondacar, and I've gotten more careful over the years (ever since I got onto some ATV trails in Vegas and nearly crashed the car) - fortunately, it didn't take anything fatal or near fatal to scare some sense into me. So even if I feel overcautious sometimes... yeah.

Buckle your seatbelts... you're in for a heck of a ride.

You forgot doughnuts. A frosty beverage and a doughnut. Oops, forgot about the diet. My apologies. It's very easy to do.

I sincerely apologize to MPH, and I have edited the comment out. I should not have said it.

I am a PM. At one point, one of my caches was a PMO. How exactly was that cache "forcing" you to become a PM? If you wanted to hunt it, you could choose to become a PM, or ask me for the coords. If you wanted to log it, you could choose to become a PM or utilize the backdoor. In both instances, the choice is yours. You are not being "forced" to do anything. Please leave your entitlement at the door. I just live in a area where there are very few geocachers that hide caches. One group of users which each member has 300 + hides have littered the area with PMO hides. Instead of maintaing them the just leave them to be archived by the local reviewers. How in the world can that be construed as forcing anybody to become a PM??? <edited out>

For the record, that statement is around 94% true. That's pretty good, by forum standards! I totally agree with this user. I support Groundspeak. I am a PM that trys to list geocaches that interest users to seek. Do I agree with this GS volunteer moderator? No, I don't. But can he kick me out of this thread and ban me from the GS forums? Yes he can. He already did so. I just think that it was a misunderstanding, we folks in my area seem to have trouble understanding each other. Miscommunication is what I call it. I know that me and the Evil Elves/Keystone/Leprechauns, or whatever account that a user uses, our issues are personal. But I am not a GS volunteer moderator. Sure, I could comment more. But I commented more the last time and it took less the last time to get a 3 day time-out. All it took was a volunteer moderator to consider my post off topic, then before (6 hours) the ban was lifted a GS lakey stood by the moderator. Fair is fair, but Wrong is still wrong. For the record, this statement of support has about 2% of anything to do with agreeing with either user quoted (and I'm being generous). That's pretty bad, by forum standards. I'm not even sure it's historically accurate. But thanks for airing your grievances... again.

Because it works, because I use it to find caches, because it has pocket queries and all the neat functionality it's built over the years, and because the powers that be deserve something back for all their hard work. "We" won't stop supporting this site. YOU might stop, and that's your right. And you may represent a group of other malcontents, and that's okay, too. But you sure don't represent the majority of users of the site, PM and/or non-PM. Neither do I... but I'm not claiming any opinion but my own.

He's right. They'll be gone soon enough anyway.

Could it be we're all wrong? That OC.com is nothing more or less than a devious, backhanded scheme to steer more people to geocaching.com? Imagine the disappointment, if so! It's a conspiracy! A conspiracy, I tell you!

This cannot happen! We'd miss the pear far too much in OT!

I probably did overreact about putting a notice on the TBs, but I'll just let it stand as is. Like joranda said, 99% of the people on Opencaching.com are also on GC, and so are 99% of the caches. (which really makes me wonder what the point is, but anyway, that's a different argument ). Should the remaining 1% who are exclusive to OC.com be expected to open a GC account just to log someone else's Travellers, if/when they learn what a traveller is? I wouldn't, if the situation was reversed. Best case for that 1% is to ignore them, worst case, they disappear. Which, as I already admitted is an occupational hazard, but I don't see why trying to cut down on that risk, even a little bit, is such a bad thing?

Then what would be the point of the TB hotel I saw in the OX queue this week? Personally I would have voted against it as I would a Earthcache or virtual cache or other items that are not supported on the site. But fact is fact, trackable items have the words "Trackable at geocaching.com" printed on them. What about pathtags? They have log at pathtags.com on them, should we not drop them in geocaches as SWAG but only trade amoungst other pathtag owners? BTW: Send me the OX number if the cache was published and I will report it to the administrators. Until trackables are supported on the site TB Hotels should not be listed on the site. So what are you trying to argue? That people should go to Opencaching.com because pathtags are logged at a different site? That geocoins should be treated as swag? That people shouldn't be confused? That losing geocoins/travel bugs is a known risk (granted) so owners shouldn't care if the risk is increased 100x times by getting dropped in an OC cache? Trying to pin down exactly what point you are trying to debate isn't easy. Pathtags are designed to be dropped in caches and are traded/given out gratis freely, very few people ever track them. Unlike travel bugs and geocoins, which are NOT swag and are designed to be tracked, if placed in caches to move around - that is the whole point. If someone is a new geocacher and joins OC.com, they're not going to know about geocoins/TBs. I've put a disclaimer on my travellers, like I said above... I don't want them to disappear into the potential black hole of an OC cache, cross-listed or not.

Well, that's a fair enough answer.

Big issue for me is Travelbugs. If a travelbug gets into a crossposted cache, a member of another website will take the travelbug as SWAG and it won't get moved to another cache. Ah, good point. I think I will put a request on my TBs not to be dropped into caches listed on OC. Probably won't do much good, but you never know.

Hey, if you want an EC while you're down there, check out mine at Mammoth Springs.

Um, no, since I didn't slam her, and most of the rest were too busy saying how great Keystone was.

Boy, the prima donna high-drama queens have really been coming out of the woodwork lately. Look, whoever you are, there's this place called Opencaching, you can go swear at the mods here all you like over THERE. The rest of us are happy with the job they've been doing, so why don't you go shove off? You'll get bored with making the mods play whack-a-mole soon enough, I think.

Let me check my calendar... I think it *might* have been my turn to be Keystone today. I sure hope I didn't miss my turn!!

That seemed so illogical so I just logged in and clicked on 'review'... It asked me to "Look at these geocaches that were recently hidden near you." The cache they brought up was in South Carolina, I live in Colorado. They then ask me "Is this geocache following the guidelines?". Since I've never placed a cache on their service I have no idea and all the information I have to work on is a map and the one-line description the CO wrote. I see that one of our own forum members voted for it, which gave it a +24 votes. Also voting was the cache owner themselves who were able to give themselves +25 votes. I voted for "No" and it deducted 14 points from the total. I then immediately changed my vote and it added 9 votes. So I went to the next cache, to rate it...it was in Illinois. At that point I logged out. Briansnat, if I hadn't of seen it I wouldn't have believed it. *blink* You have GOT to be kidding me. Seriously - what kind of review policy is that? It sounds like Kirk trying to play fizzbin, or something similar *obligatory nerdy Star Trek reference* I predict that you will be denounced as a spy on OC, at a speed of 180 Miles Per Hour. But ... wow.