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Glad to say that I haven't noticed that trend here except for one hider in particular. Out of 5 of this person's caches that I have hunted, all but one were 100'+ off. I mean absolutely AWFUL coords, and unless you can walk on water a few hundred feet out into the bay, or levitate over mangroves, they are useless. I have helped this person fix them twice, but this hider won't take the time to average, or use a GPS with any accuracy, so someone got the ignore filter put on

Wow...found it after playing in the traffic a bit. I even got to do my famous happy dance, even though I wasn't FTF!

Apology accepted. Cache on!

While I agree 100% with your forwarding it to Groundspeak, I thoroughly disagree with your posting that communication here. Just another slightly more tasteful personal attack, IMO. Good grief..I'm off to paint up some ammo cans. I'll grab a snack and a drink and watch this thread later. Edited to add: D@nim@l..GMTA..simultaneous post!

I have only submitted 1 SBA so far, as the cache was abandoned and owner would not maintain, and after speaking to him via phone, he refused to allow adoption. So much for the pile of Geotrash that I hauled out for him. I like to post Needs Maintenance logs first if the cache is no longer functional, but trash, and if no action taken within 6-8 weeks, the dreaded SBA will be posted. I find it distinctly lame that a cache owner may bring you to what would have been a neat spot in the woods until I had to gaze directly upon a pile of trash. By trash I mean no longer functional container , broken mctoys, shredded logbook, and general cache contents that have been exposed to the elements and animals for months.Fix it or please remove it so that someone else can place a quality, functional hide. My $.02

I addressed this in my post last week, but I didn't use the word burnout. That is EXACTLY what we are fighting now. You win the prize today with that one.It completely and utterly sums it up for us. 2 simple sentences took care of it all. Well done. Our problem is now this: I have recently been diagnosed with a nagging case of osteo arthritis in both hips, which is seriously impeding on our ability to hike longer distances. I can numb it out for a few hours with a prescription, which I did 2 weeks ago, but it takes the fun out of it a bit knowing that I have to be back at the trailhead within 5-6 hours. We had the most perfect weather this weekend and because I couldn't hit the trail, I parked it at home with a heating pad, planning our next hike with Quakemap. Planning it is half the fun these days. If the humidity will stabilize, we have a neat hide laid out, but it will require 5-6 miles of hoofing it through the scrub. We're just hoping that we can pull it off. Great topic, and thanks to all for summing it up.

Jeremy, Actually I am using a Yahoo account with a simple sort filter that states that anything from GC.com be placed in a folder labeled simply "GC". I'll forward emails to my Eudora client so I can examine the headers and see if I can determine anything more. Thanks for the quick reply!

Thanks for the link, much appreciated. Identical logs, not edited, and I have none of my own on my watchlist.I have used the same email address since I started. I'll try some backtracing from my end and see where that goes. Thanks for the input!

A few months ago, logs on my caches were being being sent twice. That is, duplicates were being sent to email address. It appeared to have tapered off, and now it is happening again. Anyone else experiencing this? Is it a possibility that the log poster is submitting it twice?

I know this is a little late, but here it is: You have the right AND the responsibility to ignore what you consider too dangerous. In this game/hobby, there are milder caches to hunt if you do not want a physical or mental challenge. There are thousands of relatively safe lamppost skirt micros available, but then again, you may get hit by a stray shopping cart. Maybe I need to rethink that suggestion...

It simply means that you have logged a find on them Congratulations, and welcome aboard!

Here in West Central Florida, "Where The Green Fern Grows" is my favorite out of 600+ so far. It took us 2 days of hiking to complete it, but it was worth every minute.

Very nice, 0ccam... I believe that is more in the spirit of the OP's suggestion.

Ahh...the catch....the original hider has long since bailed out of the game, and doesn't respond to requests to allow the cache to be adopted. I even spoke to the owner of the 2 abandoned geotrash piles via phone, and he was not interested in maintaining them or giving them up. The only option left at that point is the SBA.

I think you may be on to something here...continue,please... Sounds like words from someone who has had the misfortune of running across a few piles of abandoned geotrash in the woods. I can personally think of 2 abandoned caches that are not adoptable, but just piles of garbage waiting to be collected after a few years of non maintenance. They are in prime spots, but a horrid waste of time. Sounds like GC maturity to me, brother {..uh-oh...that dreaded "M" word} A few things that would need to be worked out are : 1. Who is responsible for collecting the old container? I suppose if the original hider wants it back, he will have to disable it and beat feet into the woods to get that nice 20MM ammo can. 2.If original hider leaves it, does the new hider get to use the old container if it still there after 1 year? That might get a tad sticky, but it sure would cut down on folks dropping a hundred caches in the woods that they can never hope to maintain or retrieve. 3. How early can the replacement hider submit their cache for publication? 30 days prior to expiration? 4.What if the original owner reapplies? Does he have dibs? 5.How about a rating system posted by finders? If the cache rates 8 out of 10 or better, it can stay, as it is seen worth keeping around. "Where The Green Fern Grows" would be a keeper, as no one that I know of who has completed it doesn't love it. That's one example right off of the top of my head. There are a few issues with this concept, but it has some serious bright points as well. In our collective area, the prime hiding spots are fading fast. This would help with that problem if some of the points I mentioned could be addressed. On a lighter note, maybe if we find a way to seal off the borders of my native state here from Northern invasion, cache saturation won't be such an issue

Quakemap rocks! http://www.earthquakemap.com/about.html You can download and store area maps for reteival from a laptop in the field.

I see no problem with knives in caches in the woods. If a child too young/immature to handle a knife is 3-4 miles deep in the woods unsupervised, then there is obviously a far greater problem that needs to be addressed. If they are old enough to be out there unsupervised, then they can probably handle a small knife with ease.

EXCELLENT WORK! How long does the camo job stay together? I would really like to do this with a few of my hides.

If you took exception to it, that's YOUR perception. I don't believe you were called out as a prolific hider of boring micros simply because you aren't. If this thread offends you, please move along.No one forced you to read it. The FGA forums are much more tame, I hear. Yep used to, but got bored with the lack of imagination,creativity, and over-abundance of dumpster scenery, along with destroying public shrubbery. I don't believe I called anyone immature, either. My spouse and I have evolved (feel better?) into a stage of wanting to find something creative, something entertaining, somewhere to grab a nice cup of coffee or take a break...a REASON to hunt and log a find. Good for other people, I glad they enjoy it. I did not come here to foist an opinion that all lame micros be banned and no one should hunt them. I was simply stating my thoughts on what drives the spouse and I. Since you took the time to notice THAT, did you also take the time to notice GCJ5F1 (1 cache-5mile hike), GCTDKK (1 cache-9 mile hike), or GC7A68+GCYWBR (2 caches-8miles), or GCT8Z4 (1 cache-6+ miles)? I would and have made long hikes for one or two finds, as the hides are inventive and /or the scenery is beautiful. There is a REASON to hunt them. No lamppost skirts to raise, no dumpsters or trash piles to hunt in, no mindless rock flipping when there is a micro buried somewhere in 1'000s of rocks in a pile, no stepping over BCDs and used feminine hygiene products... If I want to hunt in town for micros, please let there be a reason other than the fact that it's at least 528' from the last shrub dive/lampost skirt hide. Anyone can throw a 35mm canister under a pile of rocks or hang it in a bag in public shrubbery to destroy. We find it thoughtless and pointless to hunt these anymore. We have grown/matured/evolved into enjoying looking for something better. This game can be so much fun with the higher quality hides. The more I think about it, there is a reason I am on this forum so much more than the FGA's... no cliques to run afoul of, even though some from there occasionally drift over here. I considered locking this thread, although a tad late apparently, as I can only imagine the yowling through the phone lines of the Tampa Bay area. I made an observation with my OP and you took offense. Please skip reading through any threads I create here, and save us both the aggravation. I'm off now to plan next weekend's hike, 2 caches in 11 miles in 4 star terrain. I hope that you have fun doing whatever floats your boat, and I'll do the same...the crusade for higher quality caches is underway.

Trident, Some folks log TBs and Geocoins like they do smilies for finds...it's what keeps them motivated. More power to them. I have also recently placed several TBs in a 3 leg 4 mile multi in hopes of drawing folks out to it. If the TBs are not moved within a couple of weeks, I will retrieve all three and move them myself. That's just me personal philosophy, though.

On the serious side, it will probably be nuked instantly for multiple reasons: 1. It is commercial in nature 2. It might be construed that you are promoting a vice 3. I would enjoy it, therefore it must be banned On the personal side, I would enjoy it, but then again, I find that cool carbonated adult beverages are quite refreshing after a long hike. I said AFTER, please take note. Good luck!

Agreed, IK . Nothing personal, but a pic taken by someone when I am sweat soaked and grime covered and have spiderwebs all over my face would make me want to muggle your camera, even though it is not in my nature to do so. A simple inexpensive disposable Kodak left in the cache in a nice ziplock will ensure that you have voluntary pics taken for those who don't mind. Most folks I know will gladly do this of their own volition.

I revisit caches all the time if it is a unique and special place. I just log a note instead of a find. There are even TB hotels on interstate rest stops nearby here where it is ENCOURAGED to drop and pickup TBs to keep them moving.

It is a complete and utter coincidence that the 10 pack of Tylenol comes in a small tube that is just PERFECT for stages in a multi. I mean, I am going to need the Tylenol eventually, right? I just prefer to pay more for the small package as it is more portable than the big bottle. Ok, I give. I DID buy it in the small overpriced 10 pill pack because I needed more micro containers for stages in a multi I am laying out.

Seems like a reasonable request to me. The best policy though is to have Joe Muggle not find the cache and not find the cacher in a public area doing goofy things like reaching up the hind end of a horse... Woof!