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It's best to assume that for any letterbox hybrid, you will need to read the cache description to know what's involved. As I said earlier, when this was suggested, you cannot always tell by reading the cache description if the cache is a puzzle. You SHOULD be able to tell by the icon. But I guess that is wishful thinking.

If they are a puzzle or multi, do they have the puzzle/multi icon, or do they get a letterbox icon? Yes if you have a stamp and you wish to, you can have the letterbox icon. The only exception is a Wherigo. If you use a cartridge it is a werigo. Otherwise any cache type with a container can be a letterbox. Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but if you don't do puzzles, and seldom do multis, how would I know what I was getting into if the cache has a letterbox icon, and is a puzzle cache? This seems counterproductive, as the icons are suppose to give us an idea what we are looking for. I think that the confusion comes from the direction that you are looking at the issue from. My (probably mistaken) understanding of the letterboxing game (not letterbox geocaches) is that people use clues to figure out where the letterboxes are. Therefore, letterboxes are basically congruent to puzzle caches. So in my mind, while letterbox caches can be 'traditional', the 'default' for them letterboxes would be that they are puzzles or multis of some type. As such, if I definitely wanted to skip puzzles and multis, I would not concentrate on finding letterbox caches right from the jump. Instead, I would know that I'd have to take a quick look at the descriptions of those to identify the ones that were at the listed coordinates and dump the rest to my ignore list. I have only found 2 letterbox hybrids. One was found in my first month of geocaching,(Jan. 2006)and I didn't even know it was a letterbox hybrid. The second one was what I had assumed a letterbox hybrid should be. (Pandora's Letterbox, GC3H1CH) The coordinates lead you to parking. The cache page then has letterbox clues, and suggests you can find it using them. It also has the final coordinates listed as an Additional Waypoint, so if you want to find it as a geocache you can. Perfect combination of the two. Silly me, I thought from what I've read, and heard from others, that should be what they were. I guess they are something I will just have to generally skip. Like puzzles and multis.

Do not start with a needs archived. Because you want the spot is not a reason for NA. Start with a needs maintenance. That will give the CO a chance to take care of it him/her self. I have seen plenty of COs that don't seem to be active for a year or more, who still take care of their cache. (Seen a few active COs that don't take care of their caches. ) Of course if you replace the log, it no longer needs either maintenance or archived.

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As for the rest a quick review of the cache page should tell you. When a new puzzle comes up in my area, I will sometimes take a quick peek to see if I could do it. I have seen plenty of puzzle cache page write-ups that didn't appear to be a puzzle at all. If it didn't have the puzzle icon, you wouldn't know it was a puzzle until the coordinates put you in the middle of a lake somewhere. Without a proper icon, you may not know what your in for.

Letterbox Hybrid Letterboxing is another form of treasure hunting that uses clues instead of coordinates. In some cases, the letterbox owner has made their container both a letterbox and a geocache and posted its coordinates on Geocaching.com. These types of geocaches will contain a stamp that is meant to remain in the box and is used by letterboxers to record their visit. To read more about letterboxing, visit Letterboxing North America. The bold part seems to indicate the letterbox hybrid is meant to be found by both types of players. If it isn't then having a hybrid just doesn't make any sense at all. It seems to me I should be able then to add an apple (plastic, no food allowed )to the cache and call it a fruit basket, or add some plastic eggs and call it an Easter basket. However, it really doesn't make a difference to me as I am not a letterboxer. However, if I was I would be a bit disappointed if I found a hybrid and it just had a store bought stamp.

If they are a puzzle or multi, do they have the puzzle/multi icon, or do they get a letterbox icon? Yes if you have a stamp and you wish to, you can have the letterbox icon. The only exception is a Wherigo. If you use a cartridge it is a werigo. Otherwise any cache type with a container can be a letterbox. Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but if you don't do puzzles, and seldom do multis, how would I know what I was getting into if the cache has a letterbox icon, and is a puzzle cache? This seems counterproductive, as the icons are suppose to give us an idea what we are looking for. I have found a couple letterbox hybrids, and have enjoyed them. However, I usually will ignore puzzles on my search for caches to go for. (have no problems with them being there for those that want them, but don't usually do them myself.)

If they are a puzzle or multi, do they have the puzzle/multi icon, or do they get a letterbox icon? If they have a letterbox icon, but are a puzzle or multi, it could be quite confusing. Especially for those that want to do a letterbox hybrid, but don't care for puzzles and/or multis.

This could be why there is so much disagreement on this. It has always been understood by myself, and others I have talked with, that letterbox hybrids are suppose to be both. Geocaching and letterboxing. As such they should be correct for both games. Have clues to get to the cache, and have coordinates for those geocaching. Have a stamp and a log book. And I thought they were often listed on both places. Now I find they are just geocaches no different then a traditional. Live and learn I guess.

When I want to upload an image for this forum, I just upload it to an old cache listing that I never had published. The instructions in this Help Center article should be useful:http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=59 You can also upload it to an archived cache, if you have one. Also, when you have a thumbnail picture you want to upload, open it first and load the URL of the full sized picture. If you upload the thumbnail, all that will upload is the thumbnail.

I don't recall any signs that specifically say "no trespassing", but I've seen signs that concisely and in large font make it clear that I'm not allowed to park there -- or, for that matter, even walk through -- unless I'm a customer. I generally ignore them as long as there's plenty of parking, conceptually prepared to walk into one of the stores if required. I assume they're legal artifacts more to protect the site from some kind of complications, not because anyone (other than some lawyer somewhere) really cares whether I park there as long as I'm not causing any trouble. There are places where tow companies have "spotters" who watch to see if you leave your vehicle and go into the business who owns the signs. If you park and go anywhere else, they automatically tow you. Or if you go into the place then go somewhere else and leave your car in the lot, they tow. The tow companies make a lot of money this way. Where I live, the business don't seem to care that much. I have never been towed for parking and not going into the business. However, in the cities nearby, there are areas where they do tow. I have several friends who have been towed this way over the years.

It would have nothing to do with the smiley, I log every cache I find. If I don't log it I haven't finished the cache yet. It doesn't matter what the CO says. (although on this cache, I think the CO was talking a little tongue in cheek, when he said don't log it.) I ignore a lot of caches, but I have never used the ignore feature.

Will you also agree that the cache owner has a responsibility for ensuring that his cache is not attracting litter and to clean up any resulting litter? I would not agree with that at all. I don't know how my cache would attract litter unless that litter was deliberately left. (throwdown) I take no responsibility for something some other idiot does. I maintain my caches and if someone leaves a note there is a problem with the cache, I will check it out and do what needs to be done. If some lazy idiot throws a new cache down because he can't find mine, I would take less responsibility of that mess, then if you drink a beer at my cache and toss the bottle. If there was a throw down at one of my caches, I would clean it up, but I would not feel I have to, or that someone else's stupid act becomes my problem.

A little sensitive to someone wanting you to pay for services received, are you. This site does not punish those that choose to play and cannot, for whatever reason, pay. It does reward those that do support what it cost to run the business. Bit of a difference there.

No, but people are telling how to plant a good authentic letterbox. You can do as you please. I'm guessing you are a letterbox icon collector. Or perhaps your area needs the icon for statistics collectors and for challenges. I suspect you are right on, he wants the icon, and doesn't give a darn about the cache.

Letterboxes and multis are different types so Im not sure how they got in the mix? I was wondering if anyone knew of a local or online source is the reason I started this thread. A good letterbox involves letterbox clues and a unique stamp. Without the unique stamp, it's just a multi. Without the clues, it's just a traditional with a stamp in it. A TRUE letterbox should not be listed on GEOCACHING and a TRUE LETTERBOXER wouldn't even be on here to see this. I have an idea maybe you can make me 15 or 20 stamps and then the problem would be solved. If your offended with me using premade stamps maybe you should go back and read the second line on my original post. Sounds like you want to place a geocache with a stamp in it, not a letter box. If you are going to put out a letter box hybrid you need to have a unique stamp, and you need to have clues to find it, on the cache page. If you don't want to do this, you can call it whatever you want, but it won't be a letter box.

I rarely trade out for swag. However, I know that many kids love that part of the game. I keep a few items in my pack that kids would love. If I find a cache that seems a little short of stuff for kids, I will add a couple things.

I would be curious to see if anyone else has this problem. I've had what sounds like the same thing happening to both my 60Csx, and the 62s I just got a couple weeks ago. I don't recall ever having this problem before, and hope it is not in either GPS. We might be having slightly different problems. I read that it appears, on the map, you are walking around. With mine it appears GZ is drifting around. It isn't doing it all the time, and I was hoping it was something to do with the satellites, or solar flares, or something that will work itself out. (doesn't seem to be doing it all the time)

putting a bison inside a full jar of Vaseline a half mile from the parking, without telling you in the cache page, is just asking for trouble with the cache. If I found something like that, it would take all I had not to toss the whole thing, jar and all down the steep cliff. I sure as heck wouldn't feel I owed the CO if part of the cache did what he should have expected, and slipped out of my greasy hands. So, just because I don't like someones idea for hiding a cache I should destroy it? If you don't like it don't find it but its not up to you to what others may or may not enjoy or how a CO may choose to hide a cache. You missed my point. I didn't say I would toss it, just that that would be my first thought. someone cuts me off in traffic my first thought is to ram their car, but I have never done it,(and never would). I would never destroy a cache just because I didn't like it. But my main point was, if he hid the bison in Vaseline, and the Vaseline covered bison slipped out of my hand that's his problem not mine. I would take care not to drop it, but wouldn't feel at all bad, if what he should expect to happen, happens. IMHO, anyone who would hide a cache like that would pass gas in a crowded elevator.

Well, no, it's not. The rule itself is because railroads enforce their rights of way, and that's been made clear on the forums in the past. I fully recognize that this is a semantic distinction, because RRs enforce their rights of way in order to avoid running people over and getting sued. But that is the RR motivation for the rule they make Groundspeak enforce, not the rule. You can argue with me all you want, but this is how my reviewer explained it to me. You can argue all you want, but Groundspeak has made it clear, as have most reviewers who post in the forums, the rule is because of railroad right-of-way. Check into the history of the rule, you will see it was clearly done because of trespassing on the RR property.

I love both cats and dogs, and have two of each. (We've had as many as 8 cats and 4 dogs at one time, back when the kids were younger.) The difference between them is attitude. When I go for a cache, I'm sure the cats lay around the house feeling smug that they get to stay home and the dogs have to go. Meanwhile the dogs think I love them best because I take them out to run, but make the cats stay home. []

I try to plan my cache outings with my dogs in mind. I take them as often as I can, and miss them when I don't. There is a thread in the Photography section of these forums with pictures of pets on the cache hunt.

Just because you can hide a cache, doesn't mean you can maintain one. some people are not in one place long enough to take care of a cache. Military personnel... I would beg to differ on this one. We've been on active duty in the Army since we started and have hidden 149 caches since 2007. That's over the course of four moves: Germany, Virginia, Alabama, and Oklahoma. Each time we've moved, we have arranged for local cachers to help us maintain a handful of caches that they wanted to keep going, gathered up the rest and archived the listings, and then moved on to the next assignment and started over. I've also tried to develop more earthcaches, as they don't require replacing. There is absolutely nothing stopping my brothers and sisters in arms from hiding caches, and many do. We just need to have an exit strategy when we hide 'em. It is not impossible for some active military to hide caches, though I don't think hiding caches someone else takes care of is good. Archive or adopt them when you move. (but that's for another forum thread.) However, if there was Geocaching when I was in the Navy, there is no way I would hide a cache. (That was more then 45 years ago, no caching then anyway.) I'm a firm believer in "if I can't maintain it I won't hide it". Going out to sea for 6 months or more on a regular basis, and never knowing when you will go out on shorter cruises would have prevented me from hiding.

putting a bison inside a full jar of Vaseline a half mile from the parking, without telling you in the cache page, is just asking for trouble with the cache. If I found something like that, it would take all I had not to toss the whole thing, jar and all down the steep cliff. I sure as heck wouldn't feel I owed the CO if part of the cache did what he should have expected, and slipped out of my greasy hands.

Just curious, do you hide anything that is not a micro? If not, then do you seek anything that is not a micro? Seems if we feel those that seek should hide, or they are a leech, it follows that those that seek larger caches should hide some of them. Of course that would make me a leech, because I've found a lot of micros, but have never hidden one.