The Time Lord

For the non- technophiles what is Egnos and how will it hlep us cachers???

I noticed the other day that someone had visited several caches on the same day and logged a travel bug in and out of each. I just wondered what other people thought of this?

It would appear that he is the son of the owners who are an old couple who live on another farm. He was so adamant that I should not go on his land that I fear its a lost cause - maybe an approach from another face would be worth a try - any local landowner geocaching volunteers???????????????????

Brilliant - I really like that

OK cachers - its a circular all weather horse gallop. How boring I wanted it to be something realy exotic or alien - maybe it is alien and the farmer is one of them . Anyway its kept us amused for a while - thanks to everybody. Jim

Well Eventually I went to see the farmer at "new house farm" just South of the feature and talked to him. He hhad never heard of Geocaching and wondered which planet I had come from! Eventually after showing him the field and the map he told me what it was and I could not believe it - none of us were even close . He would not let me go and see the feature and you cannot see it from the road, he also would not entertain the idea of a cache anywhere on his land . So let me tell you what it is - Oh hang on Lyn is calling me for tea - back soon Jim

All I did was not look up the query on my cache page. I did ask for the file to be zipped. Regards Jim

Many thanks to you both - I now can work the system - which I do not think is at all user friendly and dowload the queries. Again thanks for the help

I think I must be doing something wrong Everytime I run a pocket query I get an output to my cache page showing the caches but I don't get an output to my email address so that I can download the details to an ebook ???????????????? Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

Thanks everybody for the suggestions. I must admit I tend to think that is is the remains of some sort of large circular Antenna Site (over 150 metre across) but the siting bothers me. Who would put it there - its half way up a hill and next to a wood neither of which would make it a good transmission site, there are far better locations close by. It also still has the original fence/hedge running straight through it. Jim PS did not visit it at the weekend as I went up Brown Clee to get the trio of caches there - was it wet and windy.

I agree with all of these comments the whole aim is to find the cache. When I was in Saudi there was guy who claimed to find a cache because he got near to it . I did not agree and a furious battle started on the forum for the middle east. Jim

Surely the whole aim is to find the cache. I think that when you set a cache you should make sure that the people can get to within 20 or 30 foot of the site. Then a general cryptic - but unencrypted clue is good in the body of the text with more of a spoiler encrypted. But how does this then tie in with the difficult of finding the cache? Should every cache with difficulty of 1 for finding mean it should have a spoiler and if its a 5 then no spoiler allowed? What do you think? Jim

Maybe we should start a new type of caching - not only benchmarks and trig points bagging we could now have strange circle bagging Jim

Wow I never thought this would cause such interest. The map would seem to indicate that it is a perfectly circular track of some kind with a wall running through it. The only time I have ever seen anything like this before was on a site map in saudi Arabia where the mappers reproduced the stain from a coffee cup! Thanks a lot for the thoughts and help. I will go and look at it on the ground over the weekend. Cheers Jim

Does anybody have any idea what the feature is on the 1:25,000 map for Shrewsbury at grid SJ 534 223? It too big for a crop circle.

I echo the M&Ms comment about cache placing and difficulty numbering. In my opinion there really should never be a 5/5 cache. If its a 5 to get there then the cache should be fairly easy to find - you have already done the hard bit. Conversly if the cache is easy to get to then it CAN be more difficult to find. Maybe we should aim for a maximum cache difficulty rating of say 6. i.e. - 5 to get there and 1 to find, or 1 to get there and 5 to find. Or indeed any other combination as long as it does not add up to more than 6. Comments please.

Gentlemen I do not think that anyone should claim a cache unless you find the box and sign the book. How anyone could think differently I cannot understand. You don't nearly climb a mountain and claim it, you don't nearly break a record and claim it and you don't nearly win a race and claim it. Yes maybe the sarcasm was not called for but what I said was a logical conclusion of what could happen. As far as I am concerned the subject that I raised is now closed.

Yes - what a lovely stimulating discussion. By the way I looked in detail at my Saudi maps last night whilst I was in bed and managed to bag 5 caches. What a night. I agree with our Colonial Cousin who suggests that Wild Rover delete his claim and insert a didn't find. After all this is neither cricket nor horseshoes.

Hey I am flying down to Jeddah next week and will fly over Wabar Crater - I think I will claim it - what does everybody think?

What a load of rubbish. If you don't find the cache you cannot claim it. Id this the way they run the US Open golf! Get real Guys

Has everyone seen Wild Rovers claim to Military Stash. I think this is wrong - he didn't find it. Comments please

A landrover 110 is the only 4WD in the world worth having. It might not be very cool in summer as the AC tends not to work but: It us capable of crossing the worst terrain in the world carrying over 1.5 tons of fuel and water and is still able of pulling Hummers and jeeps out. Ahhh the Brits strike again. LOL

I fear I have to raise the subject of siting caches. This is not meant to offend anyone but encourage a little more thought. In my opinion, for what it's worth, The whole point in putting out a cache is to give someone an interesting day out and lead them to some wonderful site that they might not otherwise visit. Examples of this are "crack of doom", "wounded knee", "hash-cache" and the current empty quarter sites. The caches are placed in locations that are well worth a visit even if no cache was there. Getting the cache is an added bonus. I am encouraged by the growing number of caches being placed in Saudi but am sorely dissapointed in the location of some of them. Some seem just to be a record of how far "we got" and are in boring places not really worth a visit. Come on guys and gals - lets not just put out caches because we have them with us (or sometimes even when we don't have them with us !). Please think about the siting and ensure that we give the seekers a wonderful day out going to an interesting location that they might otherwise not visit. Also make reference in the description to other interesting thing nearby. I welcome your comment

I am finally leaving Saudi after 13 years here wandering the deserts, meeting people and enjoying myself. I totally agree with Waleed's comments and would add that I have seen just as many expat rubbish piles as I have seen Saudi ones. There is no excuse for ours. May I thank Waleed and his fellow countrymen for the privilidge that I have been given. There is no where else in the world where a person can go off road and drive for over 1500 Kms going wherever he wants to with no restriction upon him. There is nowhere where he can meet such honest and welcoming people as the Bedu of the empty quarter and there is certainly no more beautiful and varied country. I have explored it's every quarter from Gizan to ArAr, in the mountains, along the Hijaz railway, along the Darb Zubaydah - one of the oldest paved roads in the world, to the eastern empty quarter and the border with the emirates to the very south and the borders with Yemen and Oman. I have enjoyed myself tremendously and will leave with regrets but so, so many fond memories. Thanks you

"We first got some pointers from veteran cacher swdecato here at Eskan" I hope you are talking about his age and not his geocaching experience - He only bought his GPS a couple of months ago. Jimbo Also if any of you want challenging caches then try the empty quarter ones before it gets too hot.