Team GPSaxophone

Not a skirt and the cache isn't under there.

Remember that you're going to cover a mile or more on either side of your road. You can use that to your advantage by putting several extra points near the missing road to make sure you get what you want. Expand the distance from your line to cover everything and zoom in as much as you need to to find smaller roads. Something like this:

For my categories, I guess I have varying photo requirements: Instructions for Posting a Holiday Displays Waymark: - A picture of the display is required for posting a waymark to this category. Your GPSr does not need to be in the shot, but please only submit waymarks for displays that you have personally visited. Instructions for Visiting a Waymark in this Category: - A picture of the display is required for visiting a waymark in this category. You should be in the picture with your GPSr. Instructions for Posting a Jazz Clubs Waymark: - If you can provide a picture of the location it would be great, but providing a picture of someone (preferably yourself) performing at that location would be just awesome. Instructions for Visiting a Waymark in this Category: - There are no log instructions listed for this category. Instructions for Posting a Musical Instruments Waymark: - You must include a picture of the instrument to post it here. Instructions for Visiting a Waymark in this Category: - There are no log instructions listed for this category. Instructions for Posting a Musician Statues Waymark: - Your waymark must include a picture of the statue and a brief description of who the musician is along with one of their more notable (no pun intended) musical accomplishments. Instructions for Visiting a Waymark in this Category: - Your log must include a picture of you with the statue. So three of my four require a picture to post a waymark, two require a picture to visit with one specifically stating the GPSr should be in the shot.

There are more than three categories that require pictures. I own four categories and pictures are required for all of them.

On the caches along a route map you can drag your route where you want it to go. Just click and drag the blue line.

I thought the same thing. Sometimes I wish Geocaches were organized into categories like Waymarks. How wonderful it would be to be able to click Ignore and never see any "Caches hidden on dumpsters behind strip malls" ever again. Yet there are more and more of those types of hides on geocaching.com while people complain about garbage categories on Waymarking.

If I'm hosting an event I'd sure like to know ahead of time how many people are coming so I can buy enough stuff (food, prizes, etc).

Actually the question is more about why some people like virtuals so much and Waymarking so little by bringing up the quality of virtuals over the lack thereof with waymarks, taking out the usual reason of the horrible Waymarking site design. Those same people somehow prefer low quality caches (numbers runs) over the way geocaching used to be (caches in nice locations).

Doesn't that diminish the worth of geocaches though? Numbers are far more important than quality? Why do people want virtuals back then. After all, the virtual threads are all about the locations being so special and waymarks are too mundane. You can't have it both ways.

You mean there isn't a Waymarking category for lamp posts? Either way, it seems like there are uninspired waymarks just like there are uninspired geocaches. I'm looking for answers in more general terms because, like I said, at one time geocaches were placed for something other than the numbers. What is it that makes people really like geocaching and really dislike Waymarking, other than the site design and why do some people really like virtuals, which are far closer to waymarks, but hate Waymarking (site design aside).

As you wish.

You use a GPS for both activities but they are clearly not the same thing. With one, you're finding a location. With the other, you're finding a container and a logbook. In the old days that container was usually in a special location but these days it seems there's one under every lamp post skirt. If waymarks take you to special places and geocaches don't, why all the hatred towards waymarks? Well, maybe it isn't hatred, but people don't seem to embrace that activity like they do geocaching. It can't just be the site design because there's a pretty vocal group out there that embraces virtuals, which are far closer to waymarks than geocaches but use the same site as geocaching. Why?

Some might be around for 01/23/45. I was looking forward to 12/34/56 Oh wait.

Watchlist: Watch one particular cache. Bookmark list: Watch a specific list of caches. Notification: Watch an entire cache type. Pocket Query: Watch a range of types and sizes. All these are opt in and it works pretty well. Could you imagine if all caches were sent to you and you had to opt out of getting them?

How many times do you have to find a cache before you post that you found it? Wouldn't the same rule apply for DNFs?

And there was much rejoicing.

For some folks, they are not. It all comes down to your individual caching aesthetics, coupled with some inner bias, with a dash of Groundspeak policy tossed in for added flavoring. For instance, when I close my eyes and envision "geocache", I see an ammo can hidden in a cool spot. That's just what my poor little brain comes up with. In interpreting this vision, I've come to accept that, for me, a geocache is a (hopefully) watertight container, placed in such a manner as to avoid notice by the real world. Groundspeak obviously doesn't share my vision. For TPTB, a geocache can be a roadside plaque. Unless the coordinates for said plaque were gathered after a certain date. Then that same plaque cannot be a geocache. (Welcome to Waymarking :lolA geocache can also be a sinkhole. A geocache can also be a bunch of nerds picking up trash along a highway. A geocache can also be a webcam with a live feed. Unless the coordinates to the webcam were gathered after a certain date. Then that same webcam cannot be a geocache. A geocache can also be 5 or 6 friends sitting around eating pizza. In times gone by, a geocache could be a street sign with a funny name, or a yellow Jeep driving down the interstate. After all, you get smileys for them, right? They must be geocaches! But a geocache cannot be a metal disk, embedded into concrete, at a specific spot. Unless TPTB decide, at some later date, to include Benchmarks in your total caches found count. Suggesting that something is a geocache just because it increases someone's find count, while technically accurate according to the standards created by this website, may sound somewhat simplified to those who don't follow that same concept. +1

I agree with that statement which is why this APE cache shouldn't be gone forever. I'm not sure your conclusion to this is the correct one. Scenario one: Cacher is out to get the icon in their profile. They go to the APE cache, find something there. It could be a micro for all they care. They find it, they get their icon, they're happy. Even if they didn't find anything, they'd still log it. Scenario two: Cacher is out for the experience. They go to the APE cache, find something there. Option A: It's the original APE cache. Reaction: "holy cow, look at that huge thing! And the APE logo on it! wow!" Option B: there's something else there, maybe an ammo can. Reaction: "oh, that's it? Just a regular ammo can?" Now of course this is purely made up, but looking at it in this light would make archive the right choice. If the cache were to change significantly, then it should be archived. From what I understand, part of the APE container had already been replaced. That could be done again as it was just a large ammo box painted a certain way. Large ammo boxes are easy to come by, so this shouldn't be an issue. If the APE cache was replaced with a micro just to allow it to continue, then that wouldn't be appropriate. The container should stay as close to the original as possible.

I agree with that statement which is why this APE cache shouldn't be gone forever. These days geocaching is about finding containers in uninspired locations. Park and grabs, numbers run trails, power trails. We need to have our iconic caches out there to remind us that geocaching is more than just another logbook. There was a time when every new cache took you to yet another park you didn't know about. These days every new cache takes you to a parking lot you wouldn't otherwise visit. Some cachers filter out all micros just so they have a better chance of finding something interesting. What sets certain caches apart? I hear discussions all the time about visiting certain landmark caches: Mingo - the oldest active cache, The Original Stash Tribute Plaque, GC Headquarters, the APE cache, the oldest cache in any particular state, etc. Sure, if Mingo goes away there's a next oldest to fill its place, but not with the APE caches and more specifically, not what the Washington APE cache has become. It has turned into "the cache to find" because it stands for so much: It's part of the "triad" Groundspeak promotes, it gives you a unique icon, it was a memento from the early days of geocaching, the experience getting there is not to be missed, etc. This APE cache is more than just the container and log and has become a destination cache for many. I wish I would have had the time to get it when I was in Washington a few years ago. I had even stopped the car just across from the tunnel, but at that time it hadn't reached the iconic status it has today. There was no "triad" then and there were other APE caches available. Now there is only one other and although it has the icon, it doesn't have nearly the following the one in Washington did. The decision to archive the others was made in a different time. Times have changed. That decision should be reviewed.

Nothing special? My signature sticker is on the back of it. Isn't that special enough?

How do you explain those bajillions of people who play farmville or mafia wars or the tons of other similar games. Those people obviously welcome those related messages. Just because others do not does not make the messages spam. Um, yes it does. Unwanted (read: unsolicited) messages like that are spam, even when sent to you by someone you would otherwise like to hear from.

You don't even need GSAK for this. Use Caches along a Route to set multiple points around your island. if you setup enough points and you have a small enough distance from your route, you'll hit everything on your island and nowhere else.

If you are doing so in an unsolicited manner. Actually, you make no such agreement, bu the Do Not Call List does not apply to them because there could be a legitimate business purpose for calling you. The reason you can't just block every caller at all times is because you could, theoretically, block bill collectors after you run up a debt. But it's not relevant anyway because opting to receive someone's status updates on FB is not analogous to getting phone calls from a shoe store who thinks you might like a new pair. It's implicit that I want the shoe store call (or that I should be getting it). It's explicit that I want the FB status because I opted in. I may shop at [some store] but I don't want [that store] to call me and ask if I need more [product or service]. Ever donate clothes to Amvets or similar organization? Just do it once and they'll spam you with phone calls and flyers on your door every time they're doing a pickup in your area, even if your donation was a one-time thing.

Actually, yes it was, the moment you agreed to receive updates from a person. If you don't like the kinds of updates you're getting, that's for you to deal with by... There's no agreement. You either want to receive stuff from the people you agree to see stuff from, or you don't. If you don't, there are mechanisms from muting, to blocking apps, to unfriending to take care of it. Ever hear of the "Do not call" list? It's very similar. When you sign up, telemarketers are not allowed to call you. If you do business with a company, you are entering into an agreement that they are allowed to call you regardless of your "Do not call" status.

Yes, that's still spam. I may have allowed a company to send me emails because I signed up for something or made a purchase the same as I may have allowed a "friend" to be able to send me messages on a site, but that doesn't mean that anything they send me is solicited. If it was, I wouldn't have the option to unsubscribe or block it because that would be violating my agreement with them.