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Thanks for the link!

Is there an English version of these souvenir announcements somewhere? Could someone please post a link if so? Spanish Forum Link

I see the OP wasn't so outraged by the content that it kept them from logging a find! Way to stand by your convictions!

I may be missing this somehow or maybe it's been already suggested, but I would like to see the Trackable Item Detail page show somewhere on it whether one has already logged a bug without having to scroll through all the log pages. Just a thought, thanks!

I've seen one with a screw driven into the pole to block the skirt from lifting and wondered the same thing, but that takes it to a whole new level!

Nicely done!!!

Here's some more donations to the museum!

Are you taking donations?

Now that right there is funny, I don't care who you are!

As far as the ends justifying the means for GI, remember in this scenario geocaching is the future and the future of their company depends on the success of that other site. With regards to full on OX/OC; no, I cannot emphasize enough, I have no dog in this fight. (Not even registered over there, but probably will be soon thanks to this thread!)Just trying to keep things in perspective! (I do kinda like abbreviating them as OX, they should have used that for their mascot!)

Why does it always have to be versus, why not quantities of quality?!

At the risk of inflaming the greenies! Come with me on a journey of imagination and wonder. Suppose GI has decided their future is geocaching and the only way to save their company is to make that other site a success. (Stay with me!) They now put the full re$ource$ of a multi-national corporation into that site in an attempt to squash GC as flat as a proverbial TB. (Imagery used for the humor not to indicate any bias! I do miss my TB's!) So now to entice people to host events they start showering them with freebies and doorprizes as well as paying the costs of those events. Now say they launch a national advertising campaign to raise awareness for those events. (Can't remember the last time I saw a GS logo during prime time TV! Just a point to keep things in perspective! However, there is the possibility that this isn't part of GS's marketing strategy.) Does anyone think a phone booth would be large enough to host one such event? How does this scenario play out for GS, could they survive such an onslaught? (I can see some benefits...at first!) I suppose the point of this is that the public is a fickle group with fleeting loyalties. No one can predict which direction the herd will move. (Allthough big $ marketing makes a good effort to push them!) Anyone remember a little thing called MySpace? If you don't I would say search Yahoo! for it, but most of you would probably just Google it! That blog link was interesting, but, dare I say; IMO it's not exactly detached journalism! (It's the type that's hard for me to read so regardless of my personal feelings, I usually quit reading as soon as it becomes apparent the author has an agenda and question their motivations and integrity! But...that's just me!)

PSS. I'm sure GJr factors into that tangent somewhere!

Oh...and as far as cheese goes grade A 100% American processed cheese food! There's that eagle again!

I'll nibble on that bait a little. Please don't construe my position that it's nice seeing hiders get some recognition to mean that I support one site over another. Nor that my position is anti-GS! (I'm sure the truly big # hiders and event hosts get their perks. The one place it is all about the numbers!) I got no dog in that fight. I should also point out that IMO none of the reasons cited are near enough to make me ignore a market leader if and when I should upgrade my handheld. I do feel courting people with freebies is a viable marketing strategy. (I believe most people would concede that point, I know Madison Ave does!) So considering everyone has their price and some feel a PT isn't worth it, then perhaps what a 50$ discount on a new GPSr? a 100$ discount? I would wager if they offered a new GPSr for a certain number of unique hides that other site would have plenty of takers! (I am very interested to hear what purpose listing one’s archived caches would serve other than hurting one's own reputation as a hider!) This whole thread does bring up an interesting tangent for me. Where did the relationship between GS and GI go south to make GI form a competing site? Has it already been discussed? From what I can guess it occurred somewhere after WIGO and before CHRP. Probably something along the lines of GS stopping development/support for WIGO to focus on other projects (Most likely the iP app), while GI had barely begun shipping WIGO enabled units out the door. However, I strongly suspect further speculation on that subject wouldn't be constructive and would quickly get this thread locked. And again I don't have any dog in that fight. A quick point about cross-listing that I see is that other site gets all the benefit of GC's review process without the headaches of administration. (Underhanded? Perhaps, but again all's fair in love and war!) Lastly, I have to thank the OP for posting this, since I wasn't aware of this offer and would not have known about it had it not been posted here and the longer this thread lives that other site is getting more free advertising! I know some would argue negative advertising!

Shameful? They, presumably, are setting this up, paying for it etc... yes? Why not advertise? I'm sure people are smart enough to realise that other GPS units are available (I'd argue, of course, that the minimum you need is a device which can access the website; I rarely use any form of GPS unit...) Heck, I get advertising here all the time. Nothing wrong with that either. Because its a lie? You don't need a Garmin GPS to geocache. I'm sure there are plenty of wannabe geocachers that don't realize yet that it isn't just a Garmin thing. Meh - semantics though pretty much innit? It's their site, they'll push their products. I prefer the other way of wording it, sure, but I reckon most people are smart enough to figure out there are more GPS units than that. Some of them might even realise they don't even need a dedicated GPS unit, you never know. It is deceptive. Perhaps the term "deceptive marketing" is a bit redundant, but I still don't like it, no matter who it comes from. I reject it, and I rebel against it. And I will call it out, given the opportunity. Your basing this on half a sentence quoted in this forum. I would like to see the entire paragraph so that I can put it into context. If their concept of Geocaching is to have their customers hook up their Garmin GPS to their computer, download a cache from the site and then go look for it, then the customer would need a Garmin GPS. For those on the shameful, deceptive, self promotion tangent I would like to refer you to the learning tab on the home page of GC.com. I should clarify I personally don't feel that either site should feel badly (Do websites have feelings?!) about highlighting their products on their site and that neither of them has done anything to be ashamed of with regards to self promotion or deceit in this context in my opinion. All's fair in love and war!!!

When I used the word lousy, maybe what I should have said was common, uninteresting, cookie-cutter, bland, uninventive, run-of-the-mill... Use whatever words you like. A rose by any other name would still smell like the dumpster behind McD's. But, but, but.... I like the smell of french frys. Okay now you're amusing me. A cache is just a choice and no competing site has ever gotten away from the basic hide and seek lowest common denominator that exists here. Exactly! Which is why offering incentives to hiders is not going to cause an explosion of "lousy" caches, we already have plenty without any incentives at all!!! I'm thinking more of the throw down and walk away types of caches that were known to be hidden when breeder caches were still around and you had to hide a cache to be able to log a find on the breeder. Not to be confused with my ODS seed caches of course. I like my ODS cache, allthough the project seems to be abandoned! (Ahem! Sent ODSPrime a friend request to follow the project years ago and never heard anything back.) The common thread idea is pretty cool. When I saw the one based around the solar system in Dallas I wanted to contact the owner to see if it would be okay for me to do a Kuiper Belt cache in our area. Regardless, I feel that the person who is going to hide a lousy cache will put in the same effort whatever the circumstance. One more point on incentives causing an explosion in "lousy" caches. What difference would it make to those who feel that way since the explosion would be on that other site which no one uses anyway?! That situation could only help GC!

When I used the word lousy, maybe what I should have said was common, uninteresting, cookie-cutter, bland, uninventive, run-of-the-mill... Use whatever words you like. A rose by any other name would still smell like the dumpster behind McD's. But, but, but.... I like the smell of french frys. Okay now you're amusing me. A cache is just a choice and no competing site has ever gotten away from the basic hide and seek lowest common denominator that exists here. Exactly! Which is why offering incentives to hiders is not going to cause an explosion of "lousy" caches, we already have plenty without any incentives at all!!!

When I used the word lousy, maybe what I should have said was common, uninteresting, cookie-cutter, bland, uninventive, run-of-the-mill... Use whatever words you like. A rose by any other name would still smell like the dumpster behind McD's.

Am I misunderstanding your posts, because these two seem diametrically opposed?

This argument is also amusing, since GC is known only for the highest caliber of hides!

Again amusing, when you are already doing it for nothing! I'm doing it for nothing on a much more viable database that is maintained by people I know and like (for the most part) even if I don't have 100% satisfaction with Groundspeak or agree with all of its decisions as a guiding entity. Since I don't work for any of the geocache listing services, I can't speak for the viability of any one database over another. I also don't have any personal relationships with any of the parties involved, so no real concern with who the major players will be in the future. I do feel that crosslisting my hides might bring more traffic and logs for me to read which is the only compensation I expect. However, if another site starts offering cool (subjective) incentives for hiding caches I can only see that as a good thing in the spirit of competition and the American way! (Insert picture of waving flag with a bald eagle flying in the background here!)

Again amusing, when you are already doing it for nothing!

Ummm...you are already spending your spare time maintaining caches that are used to earn money by others.

This statement is amusing to me. Why should they pay J, B or E for the listings you created? Seems like you should be the one collecting on them.