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It's about the appearance of defacement or causing harm. And it's also about the piling on effect. One person screws into a dead tree, then another person drills just a tiny hole into a live tree for a bison tube. Not really any harm. But next thing you know someone's drilling and carving out a hole big enough for an ammo box and covering that hole with a cute gnome door that's held on with 6 screws; or attaching a garden reel to a tree and doing it right in the middle of a public park. Give a cacher an envelope and they will push it. I have to disagree. That's akin to saying because one person has a an alcohol beverage it will result in someone else going DUI. One has person being responsible has nothing to do with the other behaving badly. We're talking about deadfall and rotting stumps vs. healthy trees and the total impact on the environment by what we put out there. 1 nail vs. dozens of nails. Both in dead wood. The one with greater impact is allowed. This doesn't make sense. Reviewers are supposed to make judgement calls to keep the impact at a minimum. I don't see that happening in these cases.

Personally, I think the introduction of wood from one are to another is a far worse scenario. If you want cause stress on an environment, then introducing foreign elements with unknown contaminates is a sure way to do so. Again, it's the vague nature of the term "harm" that is at issue I think. Nail in a tree... stupid and harmful. Screw in a piece of deadfall... I don't see the problem. How is a 1/4 gram of metal jammed in a piece of rotting deadwood a harm to the environment when a couple pounds of ammocan jammed in the hollow of a live tree, just fine?

So I have a question... The rule here is to not "harm" natural or manmade environment. You can't harm a piece of deadwood in the forest by putting a screw in it, but I've been told by a reviewer that putting a screw into an old dead stump is defacing the environment. However, I can take a piece of deadwood, split it open, chisel it out for a cache, use a couple dozen screws building hinges and securing the container and then deposit it all in the woods and that's perfectly okay. So if I understand correctly, one screw in a piece of deadwood that's vertical is not okay, but two dozen screws in a piece of deadwood that's horizontal is just fine. Am I missing something? edit to add question: Is it possible to "harm" a piece of wood that is dead? What about all these drilled out rocks? Is that "harm"? Who defines harm for us?

Thanks again for the notice mlpatton! The good folks at geocaching.com say the icons should be loaded and working sometime on Wednesday

I'll check into it. It had an icon, but it may not have been loaded into the system.

Looking forward to seeing more!

Entirely possible. We're tackling some of the most noted and celebrated gods, goddesses and demi-gods who championed humans.

That's hilarious!

That's cool! If you can find a wide band there was a coin made years ago for pretty much exactly your scenario. It was called the Packstrap Geocoin and featured a CITO theme.

Don't be too concerned too early. Patience is the key with wild traveling coins. I've had coins disappear immediately and coins that still travel regularly after almost ten years. One of my favorite travelers has disappeared twice for almost 4 years each time, but it's still out there traveling. If you're really personally attached to a coin, I'd recommend keeping it in your caching bag and sharing with cachers met on the trail. Let them discover your coin and you'll have a permanent electronic journal of all the people you've met.

Cybele and each of the coins is slated for a custom icon. I'm adding as we go, working on a new coin every couple weeks and icons as we work through the production steps, but rest assured, it should be a custom icon. I'll send it in just in case I forgot to include it in the last batch of elements submitted. Thanks for the heads-up!

Two new coins will debut from GxProxy at the event. The second coin in the Faces of Death (first was Death Comes Knocking) and the third coin in the Alaska: Caching the Last Frontier series will both make an appearance for the first time. The first coin has been in the works since winter so I'm really excited to see people's reactions to it. It's a nod toward the crazy cachers willing to risk it all for that 5 star terrain cache in deep water. The Legend Runs Deep!

I've used a few different brands and had varied results. Plano - Pros: reasonably good construction, but a bit too much flex and much to tight for larger coins. Cons: No adjustable inserts on most versions. Stanley - Pros: I really like these boxes because they have an integrated handle which is super-important to avoid having a lid pop open and spill your coins all over the ground while walking around. They take larger coins well and with adjustable inserts can accommodate some larger or oddly shaped trackables. Cons: more expensive, harder to find and they keep changing the dimensions/shape so stacking them in storage has been less convenient lately. The majority of my coins are held in these currently. HDX (Home Depot's Generic Branding) - Pros: Everything I like about Stanley + better locks and multiple boxes can be locked together to keep a stack for secure. Price!!! When I bought them last time I picked them up at less than $9 each. Cons: just slightly smaller overall than Stanley and not as tall as Stanley so larger coins have to be laid down rather than stacked in rows. For the price though, you can afford the extra space. For the near future I'm going to keep buying the HDX boxes. The price is great, the slightly smaller format actually makes them a little more convenient because while I'm a big enough guy that carrying 50lbs of metal is fine for me, it's not everybody's cup of tea. They seem a bit overly flexible when the lid is open, but even more rigid than Stanley once closed and locked.

bumping for some cachers on another thread...

This is terrible news for all of us she left behind. She was one of the first cachers I ever met and spent time with. I didn't know who she was at the time and I didn't know why a stranger would go so out of her way to make me feel welcome in a community I knew so little about, but she did. I think it was just her way. She showed me what it meant to be a part of this community and shaped me forever in a number of small, but crucial ways. I can't even imagine how many other times she must have affected the people she met in this world in such a positive way. She will be missed.

Yes, I had the pleasure to work on this design. Poor Pete went through the ringer to get the mint to accomplish the task or producing it though. The mints repeatedly said not a chance when we presented the artwork or changed it so much that it was really unrecognizable after they had their way with the design. After several attempts and a lucky break on a different design we realized the trick would be to use a 3d die rather than 2d to get all of the miniscule detail (particularly in the red area). All of the detail of both sides is ancient art and design from +- 5th century Anglo-Saxon people. I'll try and dig up my notes on this design as I remember it was quite a bit of complicated marriage, but all based on the ancient traveler and the dangers both real and imagined he faced in exploring his world.

I ordered that Foldio on Kickstarter I can't wait for it to get here. It's just more glamorous than that milk jug and more portable. hahahaha Hey, when it comes in, try and shoot a pic of a enamel domed coin if you could. I have a new Rohrpod underground and it's the worst possible combination of super dark glittery fill with a shiny clear overcoat. I got it to work, but had to use a BLACK fill card for reflection so that the camera could catch the nuances. Uncle L you crack me up, lol. Mack, I think I have a coin that has epoxy on it, so I'll give it a go. The Foldio will have 2 LED strips, I think they had an option for a dimmer on it. It will be a couple months before it gets here. I'll post a couple pics to this thread when I get a chance to try it out. You know I'm just yanking your chain though and I owe you a few because of how mean to me you were at GCF You're like the big brother I never had Oh, yeah, sure, it's all fun and games until someone shows up in full facepaint! lol :D

I ordered that Foldio on Kickstarter I can't wait for it to get here. It's just more glamorous than that milk jug and more portable. hahahaha Hey, when it comes in, try and shoot a pic of a enamel domed coin if you could. I have a new Rohrpod underground and it's the worst possible combination of super dark glittery fill with a shiny clear overcoat. I got it to work, but had to use a BLACK fill card for reflection so that the camera could catch the nuances.

I ordered that Foldio on Kickstarter I can't wait for it to get here. It's just more glamorous than that milk jug and more portable. hahahaha I ordered the Vodka...

I ordered that Foldio on Kickstarter I can't wait for it to get here. It's just more glamorous than that milk jug and more portable. hahahaha I'm excited to hear how it works out! I doubt it's "more portable though" because you have to actually carry it where I can just grab a free one out of any nearby recycle bin!

Cool, I'm glad it worked out! I actually used a plastic water jug for the how-to session at Geocoinfest. As long as it's translucent and white you should be good to go I'm actually curious to see what a frost glass bottle would look like in comparison. Just need to finish off that vodka now! lol

This is cool, did you put them to work yet???

I think this is officially a 2014 coin from RuhrPod Undrgrnd... It's definitely the one that jumped out at me and I was really excited about the prospect of seeing one in person. At first glance it appears simple but it's really not at all. The customized Leatherman logo including spelunking tools and the glittery black coal-dust style fill looks like the constantly wet and glossy piles of coal in local mines here. The segmentation under the clear-black enamel on the opposing side and stark sharp imagery had me searching for trades in mere moments. I love when the form and function compliment each other in such pure icon form! I love it and can't wait to see it in hand and share with friends!

Yeah, How the heck did we miss this out there? Nevertheless, I take back everything I said about the F&H after reading this great how to.... Ha! I'll bring my fancy photo rig again

This looks great! Quick tip: if you're using photoshop to put the coins on a background just make a duplicate copy of the two sides merged together (turn off any effects like glow/dropshadow/etc.) and turn this top layer copy to "soft color" mode at like 15%-25% to remove any hazing and recapture the true lights and darks you see with the naked eye.