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It's legal in some States. I LOVE graveyard caches

It's probably not that bad. How many muggles even know how to enter coordinates into a GPS? I'd guess 99% of muggling is a crime of opportunity rather than a complicated mission requiring knowledge, drive, a gps and disposable time

Are they all micros? Try some ammo can caches

No need to be sorry, I knew Red didn't get gps coordinates from geocaching.com or terracaching, etc It sure did look a lot like the caches I have found, that's all. I'm not upset, I already knew that there was no official geocaching back then

Yeah, it was Shawshank Redemtion, great movie btw. At the end when he grabs that box out of a stone wall it really looked like how a Geocache is hid today, along witb the hint and type of container. Good job Puppy finding those old threads, they go way back, 8 and 12 years old. I knew people hid stuff on the woods since the beginning of time, but this is the first time I'd seen something EXACTLY like a Geocache in any movie or book.

Stephen King had the idea way back in 1982. Anyone else know what I'm talking about?

And another of the biggest problems is the attitude of the community when a violation *is* reported to the reviewer. Cries of "Cache cop." Yes, this has been happening in the forum quite a bit lately. Some people are simply too short-sighted to understand how gravely some of these issues affect the game for everyone. They cry "tattle" and "cache cop" when someone does the right thing, but in the long run these are the people who hurt the game because of things like trespassing and digging. Yet the game goes on

I'm all for following the guidelines, But why tattle???

Yes you could. But if or if not you're in possible legal trouble depends on the jurisdiction you're in. I'd suggest to check the local laws before doing that. Excusing by other law breaking as stealing a tupperware won't help. (just for the records: over here in Germany it is mostly illegal to publically photograph people who don't want to or are not aware of beeing photographed - this includes cameras in the forests and car dash cameras. The law is more complicated to be discussed in this forum, but generally each person owns the right on his/hers picture, especially when publication of any kind is involved).Yeah, I'm sure different countries have different laws. In the USA though it would be fine. In our country most stores and other businesses have cameras inside their store and out in their parking lot. Even the law enforcement people have cameras spying on the publicThere is quite a difference between a surveillance camera installed by a land or business owner to protect his/her own property, and a game camera surreptiously placed without permission on someone else's property for the purpose of vigilantism.The Ten Legal Commandments of PhotographyI. Anyone in a public place can take pictures of anything they want. Public places include parks, sidewalks, malls, etc. Malls? Yeah. Even though it’s technically private property, being open to the public makes it public spaceNo difference, ANYONE can photograph ANYONE else in a public place. (sticking to the US legal environment): Except of course where you can't. Restrooms are public places...can you spell "sex offender registry?"ATM machines are often public places, but if you are caught recording someone punching in their PIN, you will be charged with a felony.It may be a public elementary school. Yep, it's public. But you are not going to even get inside the door, never mind get a chance to take pictures.But the issue here is not whether you can take photos. It's whether you can install equipment on property you don't own. You CAN place a camera IF you have permission like I said 10 times already, so given that I guess we ARE in agreement that taking photos is NOT an issue, just like I said.Also, what's up with using phraseology such as "install equipment"? that deceives people who don't realize that a game camera is about the size of a shoe and is "installed" with a strap that is wrapped around a tree.And did I miss where the OP said it was on private property? Because we keep harping on that as well, not that it even matters because I said to ask permissionPermission must be granted whether it is private or public property. Installing equipment is an entirely separate issue than taking photographs. The ease of installation is not relevant. The land owner or land manager must be aware of the equipment. I can only imagine the kind of uproar this sort of nonsense could cause if one of these cameras was found at a geocache, placed without permission. We have enough trouble with bomb scares and now here's the forum recommending electronic voyeurism and vigilante justice. YOU were the one that brought up "installing equipment and modifying the land" in order to mislead people into thinking that placing a game cam was on par with installing an oil drilling rig. And, no, I DO NOT need permission to place a game camera on public land such as a state park or forest. Hunters do this all the time and the park rangers know about it and don't arrest the hunters because it is NOT ILLEGAL. So, what a hunter can, but I can't? Good grief, I'm done with this.

Yes you could. But if or if not you're in possible legal trouble depends on the jurisdiction you're in. I'd suggest to check the local laws before doing that. Excusing by other law breaking as stealing a tupperware won't help. (just for the records: over here in Germany it is mostly illegal to publically photograph people who don't want to or are not aware of beeing photographed - this includes cameras in the forests and car dash cameras. The law is more complicated to be discussed in this forum, but generally each person owns the right on his/hers picture, especially when publication of any kind is involved).Yeah, I'm sure different countries have different laws. In the USA though it would be fine. In our country most stores and other businesses have cameras inside their store and out in their parking lot. Even the law enforcement people have cameras spying on the publicThere is quite a difference between a surveillance camera installed by a land or business owner to protect his/her own property, and a game camera surreptiously placed without permission on someone else's property for the purpose of vigilantism.The Ten Legal Commandments of PhotographyI. Anyone in a public place can take pictures of anything they want. Public places include parks, sidewalks, malls, etc. Malls? Yeah. Even though it’s technically private property, being open to the public makes it public spaceNo difference, ANYONE can photograph ANYONE else in a public place. (sticking to the US legal environment): Except of course where you can't. Restrooms are public places...can you spell "sex offender registry?"ATM machines are often public places, but if you are caught recording someone punching in their PIN, you will be charged with a felony.It may be a public elementary school. Yep, it's public. But you are not going to even get inside the door, never mind get a chance to take pictures.But the issue here is not whether you can take photos. It's whether you can install equipment on property you don't own. You CAN place a camera IF you have permission like I said 10 times already, so given that I guess we ARE in agreement that taking photos is NOT an issue, just like I said. Also, what's up with using phraseology such as "install equipment"? that deceives people who don't realize that a game camera is about the size of a shoe and is "installed" with a strap that is wrapped around a tree. And did I miss where the OP said it was on private property? Because we keep harping on that as well, not that it even matters because I said to ask permission

Yes you could. But if or if not you're in possible legal trouble depends on the jurisdiction you're in. I'd suggest to check the local laws before doing that. Excusing by other law breaking as stealing a tupperware won't help. (just for the records: over here in Germany it is mostly illegal to publically photograph people who don't want to or are not aware of beeing photographed - this includes cameras in the forests and car dash cameras. The law is more complicated to be discussed in this forum, but generally each person owns the right on his/hers picture, especially when publication of any kind is involved).Yeah, I'm sure different countries have different laws. In the USA though it would be fine. In our country most stores and other businesses have cameras inside their store and out in their parking lot. Even the law enforcement people have cameras spying on the publicThere is quite a difference between a surveillance camera installed by a land or business owner to protect his/her own property, and a game camera surreptiously placed without permission on someone else's property for the purpose of vigilantism.The Ten Legal Commandments of PhotographyI. Anyone in a public place can take pictures of anything they want. Public places include parks, sidewalks, malls, etc. Malls? Yeah. Even though it’s technically private property, being open to the public makes it public spaceNo difference, ANYONE can photograph ANYONE else in a public place.Of course if the cache is on private property you should get permission from the landowner, that goes without saying, you had to get permission to place the cache, common sense dictactes you'd need permission for anything including camerasInstalling a surveillance camera on someone else's property is not the same thing as taking a photograph of someone.The photography isn't the issue. Installing equipment on someone else's property is the issue.Spamming the forum with "commandments" you've copied from someone's blog doesn't change the fact that it is reckless to recommend this sort of behaviour. Placing a geocache does not give the cache owner carte blanche to modify the land or install surveillance equipment on it. I never said to "modify the land" or to place a camera without permission on private property. All I said was that it IS legal to photograph the vandals and that's what I would do. I just did a quick Google to try to support what I knew to be true, you can Google it yourself and find your own sources. I DID say to ask permission if it's on private property. I don't understand why you don't believe it is legal when it clearly is

Yes you could. But if or if not you're in possible legal trouble depends on the jurisdiction you're in. I'd suggest to check the local laws before doing that. Excusing by other law breaking as stealing a tupperware won't help. (just for the records: over here in Germany it is mostly illegal to publically photograph people who don't want to or are not aware of beeing photographed - this includes cameras in the forests and car dash cameras. The law is more complicated to be discussed in this forum, but generally each person owns the right on his/hers picture, especially when publication of any kind is involved).Yeah, I'm sure different countries have different laws. In the USA though it would be fine. In our country most stores and other businesses have cameras inside their store and out in their parking lot. Even the law enforcement people have cameras spying on the publicThere is quite a difference between a surveillance camera installed by a land or business owner to protect his/her own property, and a game camera surreptiously placed without permission on someone else's property for the purpose of vigilantism.The Ten Legal Commandments of PhotographyI. Anyone in a public place can take pictures of anything they want. Public places include parks, sidewalks, malls, etc. Malls? Yeah. Even though it’s technically private property, being open to the public makes it public spaceNo difference, ANYONE can photograph ANYONE else in a public place.Of course if the cache is on private property you should get permission from the landowner, that goes without saying, you had to get permission to place the cache, common sense dictactes you'd need permission for anything including cameras United States Local, state, and national laws govern still and motion photography. Laws vary between jurisdictions, and what is not illegal in one place may be illegal in another. Typical laws in the United States are as follows: Public property It is legal to photograph or videotape anything and anyone on any public property.[39] Photographing or videotaping a tourist attraction, whether publicly or privately owned, is generally considered legal, unless explicitly prohibited by a specific law or statute. Private property Photography may be prohibited or restricted by a property owner on their property.[39] However, a property owner generally cannot restrict the photographing of the property by individuals who are not within the bounds of the property.[39] Photography on private property that is generally open to the public (e.g., a shopping mall) is usually permitted unless explicitly prohibited by posted signs. Even if no such signs are posted, the property owner or agent can ask a person to stop photographing, and if the person refuses to do so, the owner or agent can ask the person to leave; in some jurisdictions, a person who refuses to leave can be arrested for criminal trespass, and many jurisdictions recognize the common-law right to use reasonable force to remove a trespasser; a person who forcibly resists a lawful removal may be liable for battery, assault, or both.[40] Entry onto private property not normally open to the public usually requires permission from the property owner. Some jurisdictions have laws regarding filming while in a hospital or health care facility. Where permitted, such filming may be useful in gathering evidence in cases of abuse, neglect, or malpractice http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf

Yes you could. But if or if not you're in possible legal trouble depends on the jurisdiction you're in. I'd suggest to check the local laws before doing that. Excusing by other law breaking as stealing a tupperware won't help. (just for the records: over here in Germany it is mostly illegal to publically photograph people who don't want to or are not aware of beeing photographed - this includes cameras in the forests and car dash cameras. The law is more complicated to be discussed in this forum, but generally each person owns the right on his/hers picture, especially when publication of any kind is involved).Yeah, I'm sure different countries have different laws. In the USA though it would be fine. In our country most stores and other businesses have cameras inside their store and out in their parking lot. Even the law enforcement people have cameras spying on the publicThere is quite a difference between a surveillance camera installed by a land or business owner to protect his/her own property, and a game camera surreptiously placed without permission on someone else's property for the purpose of vigilantism. The Ten Legal Commandments of Photography I. Anyone in a public place can take pictures of anything they want. Public places include parks, sidewalks, malls, etc. Malls? Yeah. Even though it’s technically private property, being open to the public makes it public space No difference, ANYONE can photograph ANYONE else in a public place. Of course if the cache is on private property you should get permission from the landowner, that goes without saying, you had to get permission to place the cache, common sense dictactes you'd need permission for anything including cameras

Imagine every cacher being armed with a shovel now, poking around, scraping/digging for the buried cache, which of course will get deeper as leaf litter accumulates..... I think we would be banned pretty fast.... makes sense

Yes you could. But if or if not you're in possible legal trouble depends on the jurisdiction you're in. I'd suggest to check the local laws before doing that. Excusing by other law breaking as stealing a tupperware won't help. (just for the records: over here in Germany it is mostly illegal to publically photograph people who don't want to or are not aware of beeing photographed - this includes cameras in the forests and car dash cameras. The law is more complicated to be discussed in this forum, but generally each person owns the right on his/hers picture, especially when publication of any kind is involved). Yeah, I'm sure different countries have different laws. In the USA though it would be fine. In our country most stores and other businesses have cameras inside their store and out in their parking lot. Even the law enforcement people have cameras spying on the public

Why is the digging a hole such a big deal? I mean that's THE big one, the ultimate No-No, yet comparatively it's a lot less damaging than other lesser violations. How big of a hole are we talking anyway? An ammo can sized hole? The critters in my woods make bigger holes than that and yet the ecosystem goes on.

Unless you own the land the cache is hidden on, setting up a game camera certainly requires permission of the land owner.Not if it's on public land. Hunters put out these game cams all the time in state parks, state forests etc.If your cache is on private property then donn't you need permission to put it there in the first place? Just ask the landowner who you already know if you can put a cam up. Probabably be OKIt would be wise to check with the land owner or manager of any land, public or private. There are serious implications involved when someone installs a camera for the purpose of spying on other people. There's serious implications for vandalizing someone's cache as well. Also, there is no assumption of privacy in a public place, I could stand across the street of a strip club and take pictures of people going in and out of it all day and post those pics of the net with no worries. I can't do the same if I climb a tree and shoot into your back bedroom window

Unless you own the land the cache is hidden on, setting up a game camera certainly requires permission of the land owner. Not if it's on public land. Hunters put out these game cams all the time in state parks, state forests etc. If your cache is on private property then donn't you need permission to put it there in the first place? Just ask the landowner who you already know if you can put a cam up. Probabably be OK

I'd set up a game camera and get his photo, then post the photo. He probably doesn't want that kind of attention. Who knows you might even know the maggot of know someone who does know him. Probably find other ways to embarrass him with the photo as well

I just dusted off my Magellan 710 and went out caching for the first time in about 3 years. I also downloaded the app for my phone and found the app to be very cumbersome to use and the app doesn't allow you to find 95% of the caches unless you're a premium member. For someone like me who goes long periods of time without caching I cant justify buying a premium membership and the app is useless without it

Good Choice!!! Congats.

I really would not buy a gps without the electronic compass, I had one and hated it. Therefore I would get the etrex 30 over the 20 for a few extra $$ if you're stuck on Garmin. But I didn't go that route, I got the Magellan eXplorist 710 it's a great unit and will even give you turn by turn audio directions to get there while driving. It also has great Topo maps included, and a camera.

or you could make it a public cache and make sure she's the FTF, and marriage could be the theme of the cache. You could start a new account and post it under that nae is she knows yours

You could just mark a waypoint with her GPS. If you wanted it to look like a cache instead of a waypoint maybe you could edit the coordinates on another cache that is loaded into her gps.

Well then why be the one? Why be THAT guy?