AustinMN

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If you are Groundspeak and tyrying to make a living, that is exactly what you want. How would you define "quality"? While I don't care for power trails or lamppost hides, I have no problem with those who choose to chase them. Let each player decide how they enjoy the game. Austin

It was. Hey!! Do we have a fight between a cat and a dog here?

Just an interesting aside:Merriam Webster's definition of 'to traipse': to walk or travel about without apparent plan but with or without a purpose.' I particularly like this term for what geocachers do because from the perspective of the puzzled, uninformed muggle, that's exactly what we're doing. We are all wayward traipsers. C +1 Not all who wander are lost. But all who wander are still wanderers. Austin

I wonder if anybody noticed that the cache was moved about 10 months ago? I haven't taken the time to check the old co-ords against the GIS, but it may not have been on private property at the time. Austin

The cache is in the park. The park HOA owned, and is clearly posted, "No Trespassing." C This cache is NOT in H.O.A. common property. A careful examination of the Athens-Clark County GIS records show it to be on the private lot of J*** J*** E & J*** G J*** TRUST by about 50 feet (15 meters). While the plot is within the bounds of the HOA, it is owned privately. * Name redaction is mine. While the owner's names are a matter of public record, I'd rather respect their privacy. If you want to find the info, you can go look it up. Austin

This may add a whole new wrinkle. I'm wondering if the cache really isn't on HOA property or in the HOA "private park" after all. While it is entirely possible that the HOA posted the front door but not the back, it is also possible that the cache is not on HOA property but accessible from both sides. Because nobody has seen fit to share (that I've noticed) which cache, there is no way for most of us to investigate. Austin

That may be to give someone time to think it over, which you obviously have. I know there have been times when, after slapping deer flies, picking off ticks, donating two pints of blood to the mosquitoes, chasing geo-bounce, treating a few thorn scrapes, and fussing with a wet log that I'm ready to archive every cache in the county and turn in my GPS. But when I get home (I only log via the web), I report that the log was wet, mention the mosquitoes and add a few scenic photos. Austin He said Needs Maintenance and DNF, not NA. I think you probably read that wrong. Yes, I did. And as demonstrated, it is there.

I have not responded. I will tell the reviewer next and let him handle it. Chris My email to the CO: Really well said. I'm impressed. +1

That may be to give someone time to think it over, which you obviously have. I know there have been times when, after slapping deer flies, picking off ticks, donating two pints of blood to the mosquitoes, chasing geo-bounce, treating a few thorn scrapes, and fussing with a wet log that I'm ready to archive every cache in the county and turn in my GPS. But when I get home (I only log via the web), I report that the log was wet, mention the mosquitoes and add a few scenic photos. Austin

How do you kow that? While I suspect you are correct about lamp post hides, I know that 100% of the hundred or so county park caches in my county follow the guidelines, and in cities that have guidelines, nearly 100% comply. Eventually, the others are archived. But: This demonstrates that you have made a decision. Now every post you make is an attempt to justify that decision. Perhaps you should think about why. Austin

So you're equating the majority (60%?) of geocaching.com's CO's with thieves. I don't think I would go that far. I think the speeding analogy is more appropriate. Tell me you never ever speed, eh? Where do you get the 60% number? I have found exactly one cache out of 500+ (let me do the math for you: that comes to 0.19%, which is a lot less than 60%) where I was confronted with a No Trespassing sign. The cache had been activated for three whole hours. When I went to log it on line (and yes, I would have posted a NA), the cahce was already disabled and within another 24 hours was archived by the original CO after input by the reviewer. I posted a NA on a cache where you had to get past a fence onto private property where the CO could not possible have gotten permission. The cache was archived, bringing the total to 0.39%, still a lot less than 60%. There have been 3-4 others that I posted NA, but that was because of significant cache problems, not because of permission problems. The CO's I have met have all cared about the game and about the reputation of geocahcing. They work to help local parks boards understand caching and how it encourages people to see, use, and experience their parks. They help with creating and writing intelligent geocaching policies, and they organize or participate in CITO events. Compared to them, I will admit I am a freeloader. But for you to continue to accuse 60% of them with not getting permission is getting more than a little bit rude. Austin

And the game would be better for it. Whether it's a private community or a lamppost, permission issues make the entire game look bad. I agree. Even kids roll their eyes when they realize it's just another lamp post cache. But about whether or not caches have permission, the problem of publishing lies somewhere between the CO and the reviewer. Maybe more of the blame should be put on reviewers. If reviewers are lax, CO's are going to be lax. The problem is simple. Enough of ignoring land rights and geocaching will be illegal. Game over. It has already happened in several communities in the US. You would not be a cache cop, you would be protecting the game for everyone. Austin I understand what LOW is saying. It's a difficult social situation. To have a friendly honest interaction with a cache owner and then to post an NA on the cache would feel hostile. Going to the reviewer would also feel hostile since the cache owner will know who reported him. Is there an easier, friendlier way of dealing with something like this? If a thief is nice to me he is still a thief, and I will still have him arrested. If it were me, I would post the NA and post his email as part of the NA, but then sometimes I'm a mean old jackass. Maybe explaining to the CO that just because there hasn't been a problem yet does not mean there will not be a problem in the future. Even for those who choose to obey the "No Trespassing" sign, they had to take the time to travel to this location to discover that they can't cache here, and so the CO is giving himself a bad name with them. It's the CO that is the problem, and he is not being friendly even if he speaks nicely. Austin

And the game would be better for it. Whether it's a private community or a lamppost, permission issues make the entire game look bad. I agree. Even kids roll their eyes when they realize it's just another lamp post cache. But about whether or not caches have permission, the problem of publishing lies somewhere between the CO and the reviewer. Maybe more of the blame should be put on reviewers. If reviewers are lax, CO's are going to be lax. The problem is simple. Enough of ingnoring land rights and geocahing will be illegal. Game over. It has already happened in several communities in the US. You would not be a cache cop, you would be protecting the game for everyone. Austin

Rock The Boat, You Get Wet. Part of the cache description states that an incorrect approach will get you arrested.

I would suggest he needs to either get permission or archive the cache. They will certainly understand this: He is inviting non-members to trespass. Austin

I haven't been caching in a couple weeks. But celebrating our 33rd anniversary created an opportunity to grab some nice caches. Having a dramatic sky helps a lot. Middle Amana's Cache #4: Fork Around: Edit: fixed tags

How about some goslings (near Wasps Nest):

Amana Colony Cache virtual:

I agree. No they won't. Some of them will still have caches, and they will still be able to read some of the log entries, even thousands of years from now. Some of the log entries will be faded to nothing, some of the logs will be crumbled, some of the containers will be broken down, but enough will still be there even a thousand years from now that they will be wondering who these people were and why they came here to the desert to worship these "Official Geocaches." Austin

You do understand that there is a huge density here of a little more than one cache for every four square miles (1 every 10 square kilometers), right? The art is in an area of roughly 60 square miles, but the actual caches cover an area of 4,000 square miles. Austin

The satellites broadcast a signal. Anyone on the same side of the globe as the satellite can listen to it. While it might be possible to jam the signal in a local area, it would not be by Selective Availability.

+1 Except: With the grandchildren, it's fun to find SWAG.

These are all in the same area by the same CO: Sandhill Crane Pin Oak Decomposition Lakeview

I think my log on this cache is the longest I've ever written, but that's a topic for another thread. In any case, I saw this girl on the way in: Austin