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Firstly, most people will rent a car to do a PT. Secondly doing a power trail is the most environmentally friendly way of caching if you look at impact/cache found. Oh, OK. That's MUCH better now. Ingenious, dividing your carbon footprint by the number of caches you've found! Makes one feel very environmentally conscious! Unless you're dead you are damaging the enviroment to some level or another so unless you are dead please don't criticize the impact I have. Yes... but the LEVEL is what is important. Sorry, but I can't support your rationalizing gas use per cache in an environmentally responsible sense. If you're gonna burn a bunch of gas, just admit it. Don't cushion it in a "per cache found" divisor... geeze. Who do you think you're kidding? awesome, you found a new angle at knocking power trails, news alert, driving around all day in your neighborhood caching consumes the same amount of gas as driving all day on a power trail.

Locationless Challenges != Worldwide Geocaching Challenges Worldwide Geocaching Challenges - No review process - Challenge does not involve a geocaching activity (finding/hiding a cache) - Once challenge is created, the creator does not "own" it - No difficulty/terrain rating - No validation of completion Locationless Challenges - Challenge are either owned by GS or must go through a review proces - The challenge is based on a geocaching activity (find N caches of this type) - The challenge creator owns and "maintains" the challenge (must continue to be attainable) - Can have difficulty/terrain ratings - Challenge can only be logged at completed if the challenge criteria is verified About the only thing they would have in common is they're both called challenges. I have done the jasmer, fizzy, have all my calendar filled, if GS went ahead with this idea I could rack up quite a few find doing little more than logging from my toilet, this is not geocaching, this is not a challenge. I'd would not log a single one as my find found would not equal the amount of caches I found/attended, etc.

Alien Head gets hit like it does because of the E.T. trail. You know that. ET highway is but one of hundreds of power trails, driving down a paved road and running 10 - 20 feet into the desert causes way less damage than hiking in the forest and finding hidden caches, I've seen some pretty torn up areas.

Firstly, most people will rent a car to do a PT. Secondly doing a power trail is the most environmentally friendly way of caching if you look at impact/cache found. Oh, OK. That's MUCH better now. Ingenious, dividing your carbon footprint by the number of caches you've found! Makes one feel very environmentally conscious! Unless you're dead you are damaging the enviroment to some level or another so unless you are dead please don't criticize the impact I have.

GS is a listing service, they should stick to what made them successfull. Besides isn't the point of a cache a location to find with your GPS? Much like their lab caches I would refuse to log a locationless cache. Interesting idea. Challenge aficionados would still get their exclusive finds and those who don't want to play the sidegame would not be bothered by a physical cache they are not allowed to find. That would definitely solve my problem. It already been proven that smilies that you can acquire from the comfort of your bathroom are not a good idea, location less challenge smilies are not a good idea.

Firstly, most people will rent a car to do a PT. Secondly doing a power trail is the most environmentally friendly way of caching if you look at impact/cache found. Have you looked at a satellite view of where Alien Head caches are located lately? In area where there were no roads before the Alien Head caches (which are generally done as part of the ET trail) there are now several two track roads that follow a path between those caches, and that's for caches for which the CO specifically asked people not to drive to the caches. I don't know how you measure environment impact, but the creation of roads in places where they previously did not exist seems to me to be a pretty significant impact. Alien head is not a power trail.

I thought one of the top 10 finders actually has a full time job, just can't remember which one. If so, he or she must be single...or their spouse doesn't mind them spending all their time away from home! Honestly, my wife gets annoyed some days when I make a detour on the way home from work to grab one or two! Or maybe she has her own hobby and prefers him away.

I thought one of the top 10 finders actually has a full time job, just can't remember which one. I would love to be able to travel more too but I couldn't keep up the pace either. I don't mind a couple long days on a PT a couple times a year but after that I'm good.

GS is a listing service, they should stick to what made them successfull. Besides isn't the point of a cache a location to find with your GPS? Much like their lab caches I would refuse to log a locationless cache.

Firstly, most people will rent a car to do a PT. Secondly doing a power trail is the most environmentally friendly way of caching if you look at impact/cache found.

Might want to re read what I actually said, especially the part about IN MY OPINION I would find that sad and pathetic and yet wished those who wanted to do such trails good luck. So IN YOUR OPINION cachers that do power trails are sad and pathetic, at least nice of you to wish us good luck. One of the best experience I had with my kids was doing Route 66 including my son, one day before his 16th birth day driving a car for his first time ever on Route 66, pretty sad and pathetic huh? In my opinion yes it is, goes against everything geocaching stands for, namely finding unique and interesting places, a 1000 identical caches along a desert road hardly qualifies as interesting. They are obviously created just to help people who are think big numbers of caches mean something. To me that is pointless, but like I said that's just my opinion, don't take it to heart. I think puzzle caches go against everything geocaching stands for, they promote sitting at home on your butt in front of the computer but I'd never call those that enjoy doing them sad and pathetic, but nice of you to judge people while having no clue what you're talking about and I'm not going to share with you what I do find sad and pathetic. What as opposed to sitting on your butt in car all day only getting out to walk 2m to sign another x 100th identical cache? I'm not judging anyone at all, I am simply stating my opinion what "I" find to be a pointless activity, if you enjoy it good for you. Big difference between thinking something is pointless and going into a forum where many partake in the activity and publicly stating its sad and pathetic. FYI, I find your posts offensive.

It's quite doable. The group I was with took things easy (sleeping in, relaxing lunch stops, short detours for sight-seeing, etc.) and still made it to 877 caches on our biggest day on the E.T. Highway. is a short summary of our excursion. Thanks for the video, looks like you had a great time. Your video looks quite different from the one I was referring to in my previous posts. The caches along the E.T. Highway from your video look like they are placed exactly alike in a pile of rocks that would be easy to locate once you did a few. I was reading your post on the page the link took me to, you stated: "The ET Highway is a different kind of caching. Yes, we are signing (stamping) the logs but not in the traditional way. All of the ET caches except 0001 and 2000 are film canisters. In order to get through all 2400 caches in a somewhat timely manner (it took us 4 days), it is recommended by the cache owners that you have a cache with pre signed log ready and basically swap containers. You then sign that log en-route to the next cache and swap it. It is fast paced and a lot of fun. I know it's not the traditional way of caching and it's not for everyone, but that's how it is done on ET." Two of my biggest obstacles for believing that many finds in a day were presented in your post. (Cache is easy to locate and fast way to log). It boggles the mind to think someone had the time to place 2400 caches. Power Trails don't seem like my style but I live in a pretty desolate area with some Power Trails not to far away. I might give it a try for an hour or so to see what numbers I come up with. Who knows perhaps I might enjoy it. Why do people feel they have to "sign" each cache? Who's going to be checking? If anything, why wouldn't a photo of each cache suffice? Then again, why wouldn't walking up to the cache eye-balling it and getting back in the car suffice? Then again why get out of the car. If you see the pile of georocks you've found the cache. I don't see why "signing" the cache matters, since not much else matters when it comes to the ET power trail. Why do you worry so much about how others cache? Surely the absurdity of your suggestion is caused by some kind of angst.

Not hard to do, just pick any mystery cache geoart and you can solve 100 in a hour. Just wondering, your signature: Some people are like slinkies. Not much good for anything but bring a smile to your face when you push them downstairs! Shouldn't it be push them down the stairs? If the slinky is already downstairs and you push it then it really has nowhere to go, similarly for some people.

It's quite doable. The group I was with took things easy (sleeping in, relaxing lunch stops, short detours for sight-seeing, etc.) and still made it to 877 caches on our biggest day on the E.T. Highway. This video is a short summary of our excursion. Anyone want to doubt a lackey or is it suddenly possible? Doubt ... is an illness that comes from knowledge and leads to madness. GUSTAVE FLAUBERT Not on these forums, doubt usually comes from ignorance.

Might want to re read what I actually said, especially the part about IN MY OPINION I would find that sad and pathetic and yet wished those who wanted to do such trails good luck. So IN YOUR OPINION cachers that do power trails are sad and pathetic, at least nice of you to wish us good luck. One of the best experience I had with my kids was doing Route 66 including my son, one day before his 16th birth day driving a car for his first time ever on Route 66, pretty sad and pathetic huh? In my opinion yes it is, goes against everything geocaching stands for, namely finding unique and interesting places, a 1000 identical caches along a desert road hardly qualifies as interesting. They are obviously created just to help people who are think big numbers of caches mean something. To me that is pointless, but like I said that's just my opinion, don't take it to heart. I think puzzle caches go against everything geocaching stands for, they promote sitting at home on your butt in front of the computer but I'd never call those that enjoy doing them sad and pathetic, but nice of you to judge people while having no clue what you're talking about and I'm not going to share with you what I do find sad and pathetic.

Might want to re read what I actually said, especially the part about IN MY OPINION I would find that sad and pathetic and yet wished those who wanted to do such trails good luck. So IN YOUR OPINION cachers that do power trails are sad and pathetic, at least nice of you to wish us good luck. One of the best experience I had with my kids was doing Route 66 including my son, one day before his 16th birth day driving a car for his first time ever on Route 66, pretty sad and pathetic huh?

People have been doing 24-hour numbers runs since before the existence of numbers run trails like the ET Highway trail. There are enough caches on the ET Highway trail (2000, the last I checked) that a lot of teams break it up, doing several hundred a day for 3+ days, taking plenty of breaks, getting a good night sleep, etc. And yes, the teams I've known who have done 24-hour runs on the ET Highway trail (or similar) have slowed down at night. And they've slowed down at some point during the day, when they've stopped to refuel, eat, etc. But they've maintained an average of 50-60 an hour during daylight, and sometimes they've maintained a much higher average for an hour or two during the day. It isn't the way I would enjoy geocaching, but it isn't nearly as impossible as you (or others before you) have claimed. They added 500 caches, it's up to 2500 now.

It's quite doable. The group I was with took things easy (sleeping in, relaxing lunch stops, short detours for sight-seeing, etc.) and still made it to 877 caches on our biggest day on the E.T. Highway. [/url] is a short summary of our excursion. So it's official, three cache monte is an acceptable practice for doing power trails

It's quite doable. The group I was with took things easy (sleeping in, relaxing lunch stops, short detours for sight-seeing, etc.) and still made it to 877 caches on our biggest day on the E.T. Highway. This video is a short summary of our excursion. Anyone want to doubt a lackey or is it suddenly possible? Doubt a Lackey? I wouldn't dare, but that video ain't a video it's a picture of a bike Its a video now, he fixed the link, just click the link in his original post nit in my quote but do you really need a video when the lackey is telling you he did something?

It's quite doable. The group I was with took things easy (sleeping in, relaxing lunch stops, short detours for sight-seeing, etc.) and still made it to 877 caches on our biggest day on the E.T. Highway. This video is a short summary of our excursion. Anyone want to doubt a lackey or is it suddenly possible?

Both Route 66 and ET highway power trails are easy to do and maintaining 70-75/hour caches an hour is not that hard, I've done it. In fact I was with my kids and did Route 66 and the extras, about 850 caches in 12 hours caching time over 2 days as we quit early day 1 to do other stuff.

The driver may not be getting out of the car, but someone on the team is getting out of the car. The caches in these numbers run trails are easy to find, but they haven't installed drive-up kiosks in the desert (yet). At the risk of sounding like a broken record, here's how it's done: I don't buy it. Watching the video, it took about one minute between caches. To get 1000 at that rate would take 16.6 hours without any breaks. I would also have to agree the math just doesn't work out. The video also looks staged to me as I don't see how you would walk up the exact bush and know the exact spot it's hidden in every time . There's no way you could maintain that pace for 1000 caches. I don't have anything against how people play the game, but 1000 a day seems impossible. So you've never done a power trail, know nothing about how to do them yet you're an expert in determining what people that have done them and know how to do them are doing? I'm not claiming to be an expert and again, I have nothing against how people play the game but the math does not work out to support 1000 a day. Really? Last I checked 16.6 hours was less than a day and add to the fact numerous people have done over 1000, so based on your zero experience how is it not possible? That is true that 16.6 hours is less than and a day, but after so many hours depending on the time of year you would be caching in the dark which would make it even more difficult to maintain that rate. During the summer you can easily find 16 hours of daylight and regardless doing a PT in the dark is not that hard.

The driver may not be getting out of the car, but someone on the team is getting out of the car. The caches in these numbers run trails are easy to find, but they haven't installed drive-up kiosks in the desert (yet). At the risk of sounding like a broken record, here's how it's done: I don't buy it. Watching the video, it took about one minute between caches. To get 1000 at that rate would take 16.6 hours without any breaks. I would also have to agree the math just doesn't work out. The video also looks staged to me as I don't see how you would walk up the exact bush and know the exact spot it's hidden in every time . There's no way you could maintain that pace for 1000 caches. I don't have anything against how people play the game, but 1000 a day seems impossible. So you've never done a power trail, know nothing about how to do them yet you're an expert in determining what people that have done them and know how to do them are doing? I'm not claiming to be an expert and again, I have nothing against how people play the game but the math does not work out to support 1000 a day. Really? Last I checked 16.6 hours was less than a day and add to the fact numerous people have done over 1000, so based on your zero experience how is it not possible?

The driver may not be getting out of the car, but someone on the team is getting out of the car. The caches in these numbers run trails are easy to find, but they haven't installed drive-up kiosks in the desert (yet). At the risk of sounding like a broken record, here's how it's done: I don't think so. There just aren't enough numbers run trails to get numbers like that. And frankly, they aren't needed. If you average 100 caches a week (less than 15 caches a day), then after 10 years, you'll have 52k caches. And if you do the ET Highway numbers run trail, then you can take a few months off and still maintain your average. And the Route 66 numbers run trail gives you another couple months worth. And the other trails will give you several more months worth. But eventually, you just have to go out and find a lot of caches, quickly and consistently. Thanks for the video, I guess that answers my original question. At first I found it quite funny then soon realized how sad and pathetic to be hopping in and out of a car 1000 times over a single day. That's just my opinion though, if people find that rewarding good luck to them. So, less than 2 months in the game and only your third post on this forum and you're calling other cachers sad and pathetic? Nice.

The driver may not be getting out of the car, but someone on the team is getting out of the car. The caches in these numbers run trails are easy to find, but they haven't installed drive-up kiosks in the desert (yet). At the risk of sounding like a broken record, here's how it's done: I don't buy it. Watching the video, it took about one minute between caches. To get 1000 at that rate would take 16.6 hours without any breaks. I would also have to agree the math just doesn't work out. The video also looks staged to me as I don't see how you would walk up the exact bush and know the exact spot it's hidden in every time . There's no way you could maintain that pace for 1000 caches. I don't have anything against how people play the game, but 1000 a day seems impossible. So you've never done a power trail, know nothing about how to do them yet you're an expert in determining what people that have done them and know how to do them are doing?