Godzirra

quote:Originally posted by Team Rex: What is the general consensus here on placing a cache in a park that charges an admission fee? The place I am thinking of is an estate that has been turned into a museum with lots of neat places to have a virtual multi cache on the grounds however they do charge and entry fee to the grounds. Is this acceptable or is it giving them free advertising and not something Jeremy would appreciate? NO! We can't have any of this stuff! THAT IS PAY TO PLAY!!!! What, are you gonna do a MOC next?Criminey people! Why do we have to make it commercial! Jeremy, you are behind this! ARE YOU GETTING KICKBACKS? Sheesh! What the heck! (Please note: the previous paragraph was brought to you by someone trying to understand the anger of those against MOC's and membership fees.) Godzirra (roar)

quote:Originally posted by Team Rex: What is the general consensus here on placing a cache in a park that charges an admission fee? The place I am thinking of is an estate that has been turned into a museum with lots of neat places to have a virtual multi cache on the grounds however they do charge and entry fee to the grounds. Is this acceptable or is it giving them free advertising and not something Jeremy would appreciate? NO! We can't have any of this stuff! THAT IS PAY TO PLAY!!!! What, are you gonna do a MOC next?Criminey people! Why do we have to make it commercial! Jeremy, you are behind this! ARE YOU GETTING KICKBACKS? Sheesh! What the heck! (Please note: the previous paragraph was brought to you by someone trying to understand the anger of those against MOC's and membership fees.) Godzirra (roar)

quote:Originally posted by Opus P: quote:Originally posted by Godzirra: If Members-only caches were not part of the 30 a month deal ... $30 a MONTH Don't let that rumor get flying around. It's $3.00 a month (the poor penguin plan) or $30.00 a year. Same benes either way. =-=-=-=-=-= Opus P Crathvaf Ehyr http://www.buildapage.com/images/flyingopus.gif Visit my http://www.buddhistreading.com. DOH!!!!!!!!! As I said, Swollen Jaw + Lack of Sleep = Dumb mistakes. Godzirra (roar)

quote:Originally posted by Opus P: quote:Originally posted by Godzirra: If Members-only caches were not part of the 30 a month deal ... $30 a MONTH Don't let that rumor get flying around. It's $3.00 a month (the poor penguin plan) or $30.00 a year. Same benes either way. =-=-=-=-=-= Opus P Crathvaf Ehyr http://www.buildapage.com/images/flyingopus.gif Visit my http://www.buddhistreading.com. DOH!!!!!!!!! As I said, Swollen Jaw + Lack of Sleep = Dumb mistakes. Godzirra (roar)

quote:Originally posted by Jeremy Irish:Ouch. Man this is like a huge bash fest. I take offense at your claim. There's a whole lot of other things beside the scenes than just flat out server development. Lots of hard decisions went into designing the site to make it easy to use and understand. Lots of features that you take for granted adds to the experience of the geocaching sport. And lots of personal contact has happened over the last 1 1/2 years between geocachers and nongeocachers to set the mood and keep the site running smooth. I suppose you _could_ copy the design elements and implementation of UI that I worked really hard to get right (and some are). I can trace a drawing someone else drew, but that doesn't make me an artist. And no, I'm not claiming to be an artist so don't throw that in my face either. It reminds me in the "old days" at GE when every tech person thought they could run a marketing program or design an ad piece. There is a big difference between saying and doing. And there were some pretty lousy ads as a result. I'm not saying I'm the best person for the job. However, I have spent almost two years with no expectations that the site would grow to the point where it is. And it is to the point where the site needs more money to be strong and self sufficient. Dismissing the work I put into this site as easy seems pretty petty to me, so don't throw your flippant remarks in my face. So Julie, and anyone else that would like to make a committment to a community site and "show me how its done," feel free. There are about 10 ideas that I could be working on that I believe would be equally popular. Instead of copying the site try and innovate and create a better idea. As history has shown, there are new and better ideas every day. You got a web site out there to share? I'd love to see it. Jeremy If lizards could clap their hands, I'd give you a standing ovation. Instead, I'll just munch some cars. Lizard say: (Note: I thought better of the haiku I placed at the end of this message - I removed it because it wasn't exactly tasteful ... GZ) Godzirra (roar!) [This message was edited by Godzirra on March 11, 2002 at 10:42 PM.]

quote:Originally posted by Jeremy Irish:Ouch. Man this is like a huge bash fest. I take offense at your claim. There's a whole lot of other things beside the scenes than just flat out server development. Lots of hard decisions went into designing the site to make it easy to use and understand. Lots of features that you take for granted adds to the experience of the geocaching sport. And lots of personal contact has happened over the last 1 1/2 years between geocachers and nongeocachers to set the mood and keep the site running smooth. I suppose you _could_ copy the design elements and implementation of UI that I worked really hard to get right (and some are). I can trace a drawing someone else drew, but that doesn't make me an artist. And no, I'm not claiming to be an artist so don't throw that in my face either. It reminds me in the "old days" at GE when every tech person thought they could run a marketing program or design an ad piece. There is a big difference between saying and doing. And there were some pretty lousy ads as a result. I'm not saying I'm the best person for the job. However, I have spent almost two years with no expectations that the site would grow to the point where it is. And it is to the point where the site needs more money to be strong and self sufficient. Dismissing the work I put into this site as easy seems pretty petty to me, so don't throw your flippant remarks in my face. So Julie, and anyone else that would like to make a committment to a community site and "show me how its done," feel free. There are about 10 ideas that I could be working on that I believe would be equally popular. Instead of copying the site try and innovate and create a better idea. As history has shown, there are new and better ideas every day. You got a web site out there to share? I'd love to see it. Jeremy If lizards could clap their hands, I'd give you a standing ovation. Instead, I'll just munch some cars. Lizard say: (Note: I thought better of the haiku I placed at the end of this message - I removed it because it wasn't exactly tasteful ... GZ) Godzirra (roar!) [This message was edited by Godzirra on March 11, 2002 at 10:42 PM.]

I thought I would not reply to another one of these sort of posts. Well, swollen jaws and no sleep do weird things ..... Here is the big question, at least in my mind, that I wonder ... If Members-only caches were not part of the 30 a month deal ... lets just say that they don't even exist ... would there still be a friggin problem? As lizard say: What the heck is this? This frigging post I just did? That's just my two cents! Godzirra (roar)

I thought I would not reply to another one of these sort of posts. Well, swollen jaws and no sleep do weird things ..... Here is the big question, at least in my mind, that I wonder ... If Members-only caches were not part of the 30 a month deal ... lets just say that they don't even exist ... would there still be a friggin problem? As lizard say: What the heck is this? This frigging post I just did? That's just my two cents! Godzirra (roar)

ARGH! ARGH! ARGH! It's like the old saying goes. Same **** Different Day. This lizard is running around in circles, and if he could reach his hair (if lizards had hair) it most certainly would have been pulled out by now. Lizard say: To Cache or Mo-Cache The lizard wonders aloud... Oh Look! It's Tokyo! Godzirra (roar)

quote:Originally posted by OverTheRiver: Assuming the cache id numbers are issued in order of placement, then it would be the "Equatorial Divine" cache in Kenya, placed on Jun 15, 2000: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=83 I'll give it a shot this weekend . Not that it really matters, but I looked at this one, and it was found 2/27/02 ... But it was a weird log left .... (log like, at the end of the listing, not like, the tree was a log) Godzirra (roar)

quote:Originally posted by OverTheRiver: Assuming the cache id numbers are issued in order of placement, then it would be the "Equatorial Divine" cache in Kenya, placed on Jun 15, 2000: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=83 I'll give it a shot this weekend . Not that it really matters, but I looked at this one, and it was found 2/27/02 ... But it was a weird log left .... (log like, at the end of the listing, not like, the tree was a log) Godzirra (roar)

quote:Originally posted by ladybuggers: I like the idea of leaving something for the cache owner BUT! If the cache is visited very often, it will get extremely FULL extremely FAST. It might be a good idea to have a second container if this becomes a problem. That will keep the owner from coming out every couple of days to empty the container of gifts. One way around this could be to make a false bottom ... or, I think I've seen this before, boxes with a small bottom on it that opens up where you can stash stuff ... I like the idea of cache owner gifts ... My problem is I don't know where to find or where to look for what I'm looking for. So ... Godzirra (roar)

I noticed in another thread that there was a shareholder/stakeholder discussion going on. So, I thought that I would suggest to some people that, since you can't buy any stock in this site (yet), maybe you could try some of the following. GRMN - Garmin. Nuff said. WMT - Wal-mart. Where most(?) people get their beginning outdoor stuff. PFE - Pfizer. Pharmaceutical Company. Stock will probably rise after millions of geocachers go crazy after walking in circles. F, GM, DCX - Ford, General Motors, Daimler Chrysler. They make the vehicles that get us to the parking lots to find caches. EBAY - E-bay. Find a cool new GPSr, nice new backpack or a fellow geocachers sanity. CACH - Cache, Inc. Sells women's apparel. I like the name, though. This is just a short list. I'd like to see other witty stock picks for geocachers (such as the pfizer one) ... Godzirra (roar)

quote:Originally posted by Hawk-eye: ... or is the weekend ... like the last two days going to be spent with a glass of whine and a plate of forum .... I'm going to put gas (ie, money) in the Suzuki ... and go caching ... I've already put some money in trade items ... to go caching .... I'm going to spend some money for lunch ... while caching .... Oh, and I put some money into http://www.geocaching.com ... so it can function ... so I can go caching .... Come on guys ... let's get back on track ... PS ... Rivercacher ... Rev.War? No kidding ... I belonged to a F&I War group when I lived in Pa ... lot of fun. http://img.Groundspeak.com/cache/348_1002.gif The first thing that came to my mind when I saw this was that lame song that was out last year "Because I got High" ... Anyone who knows what I'm talking about can see the correlation Godzirra (roar)

quote:Originally posted by Hawk-eye: ... or is the weekend ... like the last two days going to be spent with a glass of whine and a plate of forum .... I'm going to put gas (ie, money) in the Suzuki ... and go caching ... I've already put some money in trade items ... to go caching .... I'm going to spend some money for lunch ... while caching .... Oh, and I put some money into http://www.geocaching.com ... so it can function ... so I can go caching .... Come on guys ... let's get back on track ... PS ... Rivercacher ... Rev.War? No kidding ... I belonged to a F&I War group when I lived in Pa ... lot of fun. http://img.Groundspeak.com/cache/348_1002.gif The first thing that came to my mind when I saw this was that lame song that was out last year "Because I got High" ... Anyone who knows what I'm talking about can see the correlation Godzirra (roar)

Jeremy, 100 pills of 100mg Zoloft is $142.07 ... Just in case you had any possible reason for maybe needing to take a mood altering drug.

Jeremy, 100 pills of 100mg Zoloft is $142.07 ... Just in case you had any possible reason for maybe needing to take a mood altering drug.

That's just the thing that I think a lot of people are ignoring in this whole thing. And, maybe I'm alone in the way I feel about this whole thing. I, personally, wouldn't really look at it as Paying to play. I look at it more as supporting something that aids in my geocaching. It's the same reason I tend to buy from advertisers on my favorite programs - They are paying for my entertainment, basically (It is free entertainment). I think that too many people are looking at this as though they have to pay money or not cache. They are looking at it black and white. Aww, screw it. I'm through trying to explain. As Mr. Burns says "Parcheese!" Godzirra (roar, sucka!)

Godzirra's final take on this. I'm sure I'll send in some money to help support the site. Will I send it in JUST so I can get the MOC's? No. Will I send it in to be an "Elite Geocacher"? No. Will I send it in for whatever cool stuff is offered to those who do? No. Will I be sending it in today, or within the next month? Probably not. I will send in the money because It will help keep the site up, FOR ALL to post caches, and find caches. It will help those who aren't as lucky and blessed as others to be able to find coordinates and have some fun. It will help, possibly, fund cool stuff, like maybe other sections of the site, maybe help with some contests or whatever. I also think that, once everyone is done with the emotional phase of finding out that there is a part of this site that is for paying people only, and that they aren't able to access that part, they will see that nothing has changed from what they have now. It's the "emotional phase" that is the worst. And, if they don't get over it, and don't use the site anymore, that just helps with the bandwidth problem. As an aside, I noticed someone offering ways of earning revenue for the site. Well, not offering ways, but suggesting that someone come up with ways. I was thinking, maybe this is where fellow geocachers could come together for a common purpose. Maybe those of us who have selling skills, or who have possible connections, could talk to some businesses about paying to have their product or something put into caches. For example, let's say that I talk to a local radio station. I say, hey, for $250, I'll put a bunch of your radio station logo'ed stuff into a cache. I do think that some stations would go for it. I mean, I, personally, think it would be cool to get some unique promo items. And, that $250 goes into the site. No advertisements on the site, except maybe the ones on the sidebar of the pages, and on the cache listing. Godzirra (roar)

You never know, maybe those were geocachers, and he was trying to hide a "cache"? No, thank you, I won't search for that one. Godzirra (roar) (I'll delete this post if it's too racy ... just had to throw that one out there.)

You never know, maybe those were geocachers, and he was trying to hide a "cache"? No, thank you, I won't search for that one. Godzirra (roar) (I'll delete this post if it's too racy ... just had to throw that one out there.)

quote:Originally posted by Jeremy Irish: Oh! What happened here. Seems I can't geocache now I have to subscribe. No. Wait a minute I don't have to subscribe here Seems I can still play That is so funny. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I laugh in haiku! Do Not take offense I do not mean to be mean Trying haiku laugh Godzirra (roar)

How did I get my handle? Well, yes, I guess in a way, it could be construed as a knock at those of asian descent and the way they talk. And in a way it is. But, let me explain. When I was a freshman in college, I had a roommate that was studying intensive english at my university. He was from Japan. There were a lot of people from Japan studying at my university. Well, we all got together, and went to a movie (I don't remember what movie it was) and the previews for Godzilla came on. After the movie, my roommate and some of his friends were talking about the movies and such in Japanese .. but the only thing that I could understand was him saying "Godzirra!" ... They couldn't say my real name very well (Phil), and I guess they felt more comfortable calling me Godzirra instead of Phir ... It didn't hurt that I had a big dinosaur/lizard doll thing on my desk ... So, anyway, I don't know if it was an inside joke on their part, calling my Godzirra, or if it was that they associated me with a big lizard that I had .. but it stuck ... Godzirra (roar)

Wow. I think of all the subjects and such ... This is the one that makes me want to reply with some bad words ... But I'd hate to get blacklisted, so I'll just sit here, twiddle my thumbs, and think ... I think that a membership to geocaching.com would be a great little thing to drop in a cache. And, as always, we aren't paying to play. Thank you ... Thank you verymuch ... Godzirra (roar)

E=MC2, a Rocket Scientist you arent. It seems like, with your logic, that you would be upset by people paying $100 for front row seats and a backstage pass, while you paid $20 for nosebleed. You both paid for the concert. You are both hearing the same band. You are both in the same building, with the same merchandise to buy, using the same bathrooms. But, you are upset because someone else paid more money and got a backstage pass. This is exactly what is going on here. You are not having to pay to Geocache. You can still get the coordinates for thousands of other caches. But, if you do decide to pay, then you get a "backstage pass" so to say, to search for caches that members have placed that are intended for other members. Also, you say that the statement that, basically, "traditional Geocaching will remain free", and you, basically, call BS on that, I don't understand your logic. Definition - Traditional Geocaching: Geocaching done using coordinates that are found in the public domain at www.geocaching.com. Definition - Members-Only Geocaching: Geocaching done using coordinates found in the Members only section at www.geocaching.com. Therefore, Traditional Geocaching is free. How is that paying for it. Basically, I haven't paid a single penny to anyone associated with www.geocaching.com. I have found several coordinates for caches in my area. I looked again in my wallet, and there is the same amount of money there that there was when I started. My bank balance doesn't show any deductions to www.geocaching.com. I asked my dog to bark if I'm paying to geocache. She stayed silent. I'm still poor. I'm not poorer because of www.geocaching.com. Hmmm ... As Al Gore would say ... "Sounds like fuzzy math to me" But, then again, what do I know? I eat buildings and cars. Godzirra (roar)