I agree. There are no rules saying you cant give a buddy the solution to a tricky puzzle,and then let him go and grab an FTF and gloat about it in a log. I mean who doesnt enjoy a good FTF gloat! If that's how you want to play the game I guess putting up a fuss about it is whining. By the way the cache SooMukwas is talking about is GC43507. You will see that as of right now, there is still only one successful entry on the geochecker. As I said, I noticed this just after the cache was published, and remember discussing with someone else my amazement at how fast it was solved. We immediately figured that this entry was put up by the CO. I have it on pretty good authority that this was indeed the case. Apparently, it is such a challenging puzzle that the CO decided to put up a successful geochecker entry to let people know it could indeed be solved. So, it just seemed very mysterious that the successful FTF claimant, a cacher known to love to make a run for FTFs would have solved this very difficult cache within minutes of publishing, and then waited days before sauntering out to nab the FTF. I questioned the legitimacy of this claim and am now being called a whiner. Well folks, so be it. If I'm a whiner then I'm a whiner. I will however refrain from posting examples of recent "whining" posted by the cacher who started this post in the first place. If you're that interested I'm sure you can look them up for yourselves. Cheers folks. Keep smiling and keep caching. Remember... Everybody plays this game by their own rules.