ju66l3r
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Hope to meat you on the trail someday, we'll go have a beer over lunch.
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Look out, Brian!!
Oh, wait, this is the beer guy, right, I remember reading about his typos...
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Often, the server is hacked by another computer that's already been compromised (aka a "zombie"). The result is that often, the original "hacker" isn't even directly responsible for what's occurred...their little worm/virus just keeps going strong looking for an exploitable computer using a brute force search and then modifying the hosted files as wanted when it gets in.
This isn't often the result of getting access to the actual username/password that has the access necessary. Usually, there's a hole in another program on the computer that "lends" its level of access to the offender's program in a way that lets them write their new files and then get out.
Really evil offender programs will install things that will tattle passwords or usernames and other information but for the most part, what you'll see is just a few index.html type file replacements and the offending program doesn't have any way back into the system once you've fixed the hole meaning everything is safe the way it was (plus the patch).
Unfortunately, since it's often really difficult to tell if it was a really evil hack or just a graffiti-style hit'n'run (and most of them will delete the system logs that could tell you what they did), it's safest to reset from a backup, patch to the latest software, and change passwords and things to prevent any potentially stolen information from coming back to haunt you later.
Just wanted to be clear on the fact that this wasn't a targeted attack nor was it probably much more than a little graffiti tagging rather than something more sinister.
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I think it's also important to realize that people often respond to higher posts in a thread without reading every post, without realizing something was edited while they were writing, without knowing 3 other people had the same idea at the exact same time...
The result is well demonstrated above where I think 4-5 different people responded to TAR using whimseyguy's post as an example of a meanie post. Some people would say we all piled onto TAR, but it was a series of honest responses to a post that just happened to happen somewhat simultaneously. While it may look bad, it's just the way internet forums go when they're being read and responded to at such a fast rate like this forum is.
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And that's why your title is fishingfool tongue.gif
Stop crying in your beer, it just waters it down.ohmy.gif
Perfect example, the folks say this place is less than friendly and instead of considering whether that's true we dig up reasons to blame him, or call him names. Could responses like this be part of the problem, ya think?
Is this a joke or a test, TAR?
You posted directly after fishingfools emoted a laugh at the post because he caught the humor in it and wasn't scared/offended/run off by the comment.
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Hmm, sbell111, I'm not so sure that's completely true. For example, I used to make rice for myself the way it was always served to me when I was young. Bland, wet, and more of a "filler" than a piece of the meal (edit: sorry mom
). Someone else saw my rice and told me a great recipe that they use which really gives it a kick and also helped me to prevent oversoaking the rice.I didn't really search out a better way to do rice but given rice and a recipe for doing it better, I definitely don't do it the old way any more.
I've taken non-caching friends out for a hunt once or twice and the times when I choose our route poorly and we end up doing micros under a flower box...they begin to wonder if this is really what I'm all excited about. The times that I plan better for introducing them to the hunt and we end at a bookstore where the entire flower box is the hidden cache, they start to think about the cool ways the hide could work out (many of which ways I get to tell them I have seen before).
If you can do 50 caches in your area and they all end up being derthly the same, then you will probably start to consider *that* to be the standard. I doubt you'll run out and rock the boat with your first hide. At that point, the next person sees 51 the same...and it perpetuates itself.
But this isn't just to focus on "poor hides" as a sole symptom. I still consider the "so many hides and any hide is just as ignorable as the next" syndrome to be more significant because it nurtures the poorer attitudes towards hiders, the hide itself, and the logging process.
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While "just" discussing it won't change anything, not discussing it would be equally as useless. I do hope that wasn't the intent of this statement as the rest of the post was key to exactly what I wanted to result from a discussion of what I was observing lately.
Right, the emphasis in my mind was on "just discussing".
Dave_W6DPS
Cool, thanks for the suggestions, Dave.
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One thing that I haven't seen positive results from is just discussing it in these forums...
If it weren't discussed in these forums, we wouldn't get good viewpoints like your post out there for everyone to read *AND* act upon as they go forward in geocaching.
While "just" discussing it won't change anything, not discussing it would be equally as useless. I do hope that wasn't the intent of this statement as the rest of the post was key to exactly what I wanted to result from a discussion of what I was observing lately.
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yep, those were the ones. I was very new, and admittedly foolish. I play here to have fun, and that wasnt fun for me, so I bugged out.
To each their own...but there's a budding analogy kicking around in my head about dancing on a bear trap and after it nips you, then blaiming the woods for having a bear trap in it and never going back into any woods ever again...
Something like that anyways.
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Was it just me or did anyone else see the coordinates given by the morse code for Hana Bay and think, "Yeah, ok, *that's* not a square mile of ocean to search or anything"...yet, amazingly, they boated right to the dive spot!
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Several people jumped all over me during my first visits here, and frankly it turned me off to this part of the sport.
This is just my opinion, and not meant as fuel to any current fires. Now I'm gonna put my fire suit on and await the hilarity that I'm sure will ensure
I'm confused. Are you talking about your two pages of posts from 2003 and 2004 where you were cordial and having fun discussing things in the forums? Or the ones in Jan 2005...the first ones I can find from you where you made some snide comments about forum "regulars" needing to go caching if they're bored, which brought some ire back on you? It seems like your first visits were just fine...it's when you decided to get into the mix with a few people that it must have turned you off.
Also, telling people that you're donning your firesuit and awaiting hilarity usually means someone's going to fulfill your prophecy for you.
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I had less geocaching-related issues with the show and more just bland and crappy tv issues.
Like some mentioned, there was no continuity...it felt like attention-deficit theater. 2 Teams introduced at one site...jump to another site....3 teams introduced....back to the other 3 on the boat...etc. On top of that, we're not privy to some of the stupidity that makes it a TV show and not just a race...like why 6 people couldn't jump off the boat together so one team defered to the other? Huh?
Then, as mentioned, the in-game commercials were obnoxious. NBC has never done these well ever since the Dog Eat Dog scoreboard brought to you by CIRCUIT CITY!
Finally, it seemed like everything was spoon-fed to the teams. It's supposed to be better than the other shows in that it's all a mystery, right? Well, other than the Geniuses ignoring the plane wreckage trying to jump out of the jungle at them and the Mullets searching a cave while every other team turned up the hill at the right place (and then attempting to solve the combination with 4 digits "maybe it's on your ask.com shirt!" when it's clearly a 6 digit lock because it dings after 6 numbers...that made me laugh)...but other than these glimpses of stupid, the show handed them everything (then reset everyone with a night's rest!).
This is why I tend to give The Amazing Race more credit. They really just let those people lose on a foreign city and tell them...up to you to figure out where we put a mailbox with our name on it. Those people actually have to solve puzzles and get completely lost from reasonable attempts at the puzzles. It's like a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure while Treasure Hunters feels more like Chutes-n-Ladders (up a ladder, down a chute, doesn't matter, it all ends at square 100 anyways).
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The idea of geocaching with out a GPSr is not new and there are cachers with 100s of finds with only using a map and compass. But if you don't need a GPSr then it is not a geocache as the use of a GPSr is the basic premise of geocaching and Ulmer's orgional concept.
cheers
I'll let most of New England know that we've not been finding geocaches this whole time because every time WR finds one he invalidates it for the rest of us...
Thanks for the heads-up.
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This is my original post that I posted yesterday on the temporary Alacache website last night. I will not defend my statement nor will I defend Rambler. I called him last night to tell him I was not comfortable with him quoteing me over here. He assured me that I would not be over run with hate email which was my only concern.
This wasn't your first post to these forums or even to Geocaching Topics specifically, so I'm curious as to why you thought your question would be received poorly.
As for your question, I'm sure Eartha et al in the Geocoin forum can help you find your answer.
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I'm a new geocacher and I must say I'm disappointed and put off by this thread. I have logged the caches we've found and also the ones we haven't (2, I think), one of which may be gone, since I am not the only one to have a problem, and someone else cryptically stated that the coordinates were off but did not state the correct ones (not to mention that there is no nearby place to hide anything).
If I am violating some unwritten Code of the Geocacher, I apologize, but I can't help but feel miffed at the view that my new efforts are somehow diluting the appeal of geocaching for the Privileged Early Geocachers.
Should I just stay off the boards until I'm an old timer and can grouse about the way the world is going to heck in a handbasket?
I am wondering if you don't quite understand the post. My observation isn't that new people are logging caches. That's great, that's what it's all about. Then again, you say you logged "the one's [you] haven't [found]". Do you mean that you logged them as a "Find" or as a "Did Not Find" (DNF)? I looked through your 6 logged finds and don't see any that state anything about the cache being gone. It seems that all 6 finds that you've logged you found the cache and other than one where you didn't have a pen to sign the log, it looks like it all went smoothly. This is what is good for geocaching. If you were to log the DNFs as finds though "just because you got close" or whatever and shrug it off, then you'd be contributing to the problems that I see coming from newer cachers without any consideration for the hider.
I don't know where you're reading some sort of "diluting the appeal" for "Early Geocachers". My observation is that earlier geocachers had to really consider each new cache as something more special than cachers need to these days because of the somewhat rarity of the game. When you can just walk another 800 feet and find your next cache (in the woods or in the parking lot, doesn't matter), then you don't really have to worry about the hider in the whole matter. It just becomes another 7-11 or McDonalds.
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...I don't really want to post on GC because they're not the friendliest bunch over there and I don't want to get laughed off the forums or run off with pitchforks.
I tried to access your local forums to find the context surrounding the referenced post, but Alacache.com was down. How about posting a link?
I'd like to see it too. Since the quote references "being run off with pitchforks" (which was made in jest at the World Cup Ref that ruined the Italy v US game), I wouldn't be surprised if the thread started with a loaded question from ARambler saying something like "would you post over here when they say things like in this thread about me!?!" or "have you seen some of the insanity over there [link to 'run him off with pitchforks' comment]...why don't more of you post over there??".
I'm not suggesting that's how it went down, only that it wouldn't surprise me if that's what we'll find if we look for that post in the local forum.
PS - You'll notice that there are about 30+ forums here (albeit some are regio-specific). By far, this general forum generates the most animosity and even some of the real beasties in this forum get along just fine with each other and others in the other forums. The idea that somehow this site's forums are out of control is over-generalization and hyperbole used as excuse for a lack of desire to come here for discussion.
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WaldenRun is an avid cacher in Eastern MA. He doesn't use a GPSr and he's up to almost 3,000 cache finds...rural, urban, suburban...doesn't matter.
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TRY to tell yourself it's not true:
It's not true. I am exactly like this in person.
I've always said I should try to meet up with you to do some RI caches.
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Ju66l3r said
In my mind, not knowing *any* of the parties,I think we met at the Great Quabbin Reservoir (or something like that) event in MA.
I had my Evil Cache there (traveling pocket cache), and we hunted in groups and signed the logs as a team.
The composition of teams changed over the weekend, so whoever was with the team at that cache logged it.
This wasn't a controversy then, though.
Ed
Yes, we met there. I said that I don't know you. I think I shook your hand. I wrote down a german coincode and your personal TB #...and then didn't even log them later (no offense meant, just never got around to it). In the end, I don't believe that I know you...in fact, your forum participation probably gives me more to go on than having seen you at the Quabbin event.
As for team signing at the Quabbin event, I remember each of my team's members putting our individual names in the caches as well as the team's name (and at the time, even if it had been only a team name, there was no knowledge of which event caches were going to become GC.com pages...other than 2-3 that were already established before the event but owner-allowed to be included in the event).
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You could consider leading by example.
Psst..I don't think we're helping his cause.
You're not. And it is actually surprising considering this recent post. But you do admit that you are offering no solutions.
My post was over-the-top, tongue-in-cheek....thus the manically-animated gif and wide-toothed smilie.
This one is just overly-hyphenated.
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I get you, Ju66ler, but reiterate what I mentioned in another thread - these forums, in my experience, do not reflect the game very well.
There is a definite bias here and some serious control issues on almost any topic that I don't see in the field.
I am an event junkie, in the game more for the people than the cache, and can tell you that my experience with geocachers is almost diametrically opposed to what I read here.
That means, to me, that the game is in far better shape and enjoyed far more than is reflected here.
I take great encouragement from that!
I think you're seeing two biases in the other direction as well though. First, I doubt many "I know it was there, I'm counting this as a find" cachers go to events. Second, in person, people are almost always far more cordial than they are in a cache log/forum topic because our brains are wired to not create a fight through harsh rhetoric in a community setting for fear of being outcast as a brute...but are also wired to fight for anything we want/believe so when given the shelter of the internet people tend to let loose with what they really had to say (and even extend efforts further than they may really even care about a topic because of being challenged on it).
My guess is that for every "cheater/I can't believe this" thread, there are 10 other instances of this same behavior that aren't brought up because of the observation that a large percentage of the players don't visit the forums to relate their own experiences. It's not like we're overrun with horrific destructions of the game. I don't mean to sound any alarm horns that loud, but we are in witness to a growing trend that isn't a factor when people didn't have the means to just shrug off the hide/hider because there were 400 more within a few miles that they could go do.
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2)Pocket cache-"You get location and log information about individual caches from the "details" link on Geocaching.com. To take this information with you, you can print it out on a piece of paper or cut-and-paste it into a Word document and sync that with your Pocket PC. Premium members of Geocaching.com can also use a program called GpxView (http://strandberg.org/gpxview) to download information about sites to their Pocket PC. A "Pocket Query" feature on Geocaching.com lets Premium members search for caches by specific criteria (date created, type of cache, etc.) and download the results of the query to their Pocket PC. GpxView lets you view these downloaded queries on the Pocket PC."
That's more like "paperless caching".
Pocket cache was recently coined in order to describe the idea of bringing a "geocache" (usually just its logbook or a supplemental logbook) to a meeting of geocachers in order to have everyone sign the logbook even though the cache is supposed to be at its original location according to the website and the "finders" never actually searched for the geocache.
For example: I place GCZZTOP (Rock on you Crazy Bearded Guys! Cache) at 42,33.333/102,44.444. At the next event cache I attend, word gets around that if anyone wants to log GCZZTOP, all they have to do is come up to me wearing a pair of cheap sunglasses and I'll hand them the logbook and a pen. They go home and log GCZZTOP as a find.
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You could consider leading by example.
Psst..I don't think we're helping his cause.
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360 caches within 50 miles...and you?
A little over 2400. Half of my 50 mile circle is ocean. I hope you weren't suggesting that I was only using local experiences to make my observations. I also hope you weren't trying to say that I wasn't considering the more rural cachers (I know you're in the NY Adirondacks and I specifically said that this was an observation particular to less rural locations). I'm sure for you and others in a similar situation, each new find/hide is an experience and you're not just going to be able to drive to the next patch of green and bag another one without consideration of the hider.
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I don't care if he wrote a log or a description that said:
Please just log a smilie here without even standing up from your chair after having read this. I don't even *want* you to look for this cache.What happened to the personal integrity that comes with actually finding the box and signing the logbook and replacing it as you found it?
The New Numbers Game
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Yes, but if a cache page doesn't have a bunch of disclaimers about how stringent a hider might feel, then it gives an implicit approval for the opposite to be true....and then people start signing the outside of the container.
Do hiders need to put a "do not sign our container" disclaimer on all of their pages to help keep the angst down? I believe common sense and a bit of community trust has gotten us this far without the wheels falling off and I'm sure it'll do us fine down the road. If people want to delete a log, maybe they should contact the log writer first. If they don't get a sense of trust from the point of contact (or any response at all), then they should delete the log. If they delete a finder's log, then the opposite is also true. The finder should contact the hider and ask for clarification and if it's final that they can't log it, then move on and find one of the other billion caches out there.