Atilla the Pun

quote:Originally posted by inceptor: Will a Ham license cover gmrs or do I need another license? inceptor the only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys You'll need another (different) license. Your GMRS license will cover your entire "nuclear" family and only costs about $75 for 5 years. AtP

quote:Originally posted by inceptor: Will a Ham license cover gmrs or do I need another license? inceptor the only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys You'll need another (different) license. Your GMRS license will cover your entire "nuclear" family and only costs about $75 for 5 years. AtP

If you use an email program that doesn't allow scripting of any sort (and disable HTML launching executables in your browser) you won't have to worry about any email virii. Since M$ in their wisdom does not allow us to turn off VBS in Outlook, use something else. To paraphrase someone elses sig, "Any similarity between my opinions and reality is purely coincidence". AtP

quote:Originally posted by bwolv: I object to religious literature in caches. If we tolerate christian literature, then we must accept Devil worshipping literature, Atheistic literature, Political Literature, and business advertising literature. Do we really want our kids opening a cache that has literature advocating sacrificing chickens, or lambs, (or even humans) for worship purposes? How about Al-Qaeda or Taliban propaganda? Well I don't want mine exposed to christian propaganda either! Why can't Christians be content with their own faith? (and leave others alone!) Why must they push it in people's faces? It's insulting and exposes the christian's own discomfort and dissatisfaction with their own faith. Otherwise their inner peace would allow them to live at ease with those who see the world differently. This is a fun game that can remain fun without politcal/religious/business complications. Lets keep it that way What a lovely display of "tolerance".... Need I say more? AtP

Red, I'm not mad at you, nor is our discussion intended to be excessivly emotional on my part. quote:Originally posted by RedwoodRed:Now, the whole issue of what you should do if you encounter illicit drugs, alcohol, or pornography for that matter, in a cache is kind of moot, don't you think? Not only is it illegal but it is harmful and could cause great damage if the wrong person gets their hands on the cache (non-geocache finders, small children, ANYONE!), as I believe then someone WOULD try and sue Jeremy and Geocaching.com over any damages/death/etc. incurred by that type of behavior. They are both illegal, this is the common thread. We live in a democratic society, if we don't like the laws we have the right, no, the duty to attempt to change them. But if we live outside the law then we become a land of chaos, ruled by brute force. It is because of the high degree of theft of copyrighted materials that legislation like the DMCA has been passed. This abomination has attempted to supercede the 1st Amendment. You see, your actions affect me, even if you think they don't. quote:Copyrighted materials, whether they are some of my website templates, graphics, software or music DOES NOT DO HARMFUL PHYSICAL OR EMOTIONAL DAMAGE TO THE ENVIRONMENT OR THE PEOPLE WHO UTILIZE THEM. It is an issue of ethics. The above illicit materials are not. Please, don't use confuse the two, or use them to bolster this arguement. It is comparing apples to grapes. Yes, it is an issue of ethics as well as legality. See above why it is unethical for you to do this. But my main point here is that they are both illegal. So you can pick and choose which laws you feel like following today? To take this to an extreme, will you, too decide that the laws against assault are "inconvient"? Or maybe you'll be almost broke with your kids hungry and in desparation open a meth lab to make some money? quote:I can go out right now and purchase a subscription to an MP3 service that will allow me to download files from a selection of musics that have been *approved* for that use. Many artists, especially new bands and independant artists promote the use of peer-to-peer trade of their materials on such websites as a way of exposing themselves to a wider audience. See my reply to RAD Dad earlier in this thread. quote:Read Rolling Stone magazine sometime to understand the legality behind this topic... I have. It is the same principal behind shareware or freeware software. How can one know if the CD they have discovered in a cache has illegally purloined materials on them? One cannot. Why should you care? Answered above, and see my reply to RAD Dad. quote:I just believe _strongly_, whether or not it is PC here or with Jeremy that people who find CD's of materials, regardless of the content, should just leave them alone if they feel offended by them. Don't destroy them. Don't trade them out and break them under your heel, just leave them for the purpose they were intended: _to bring the enjoyment of music to those who will appreciate that joy_. No matter what Jeremy's personal or professional beliefs are, one cannot justify that type of behavior based on _his_. There is no edict within the rules of Geocaching.com's FAQ that states you should destroy any music CDs found and until it does, please don't. If a person is angry enough to destroy an item that someone actually considered valuable and feel that others would be looking forward to finding it, then I say they have issues that go beyond those of rights or ethics and should learn a bit of self-restraint and educate themselves further about that specific item that have chosen to render useless. What part of "illegal" do you not get? Do you fail to understand that if I ignore these illegal CD's that I am giving my tacit approval to this action? quote:Any item's value is in the eye of the beholder. McD's toys are treasure to small children. If one chooses to remove and destroy each and every McD's toy they come across because of some personal belief of theirs, that person has ruined Geocaching for a lot of small people. I don't like Barney (*the Anti-Christ!*), but I don't stomp on any of the Evil Purple toys that I encounter in GC's... I just don't take them. Barney isn't illegal, yet. quote:Atilla, I apologize if you think that I am attacking you personally... I am not. I just think that if you had had the opportunity to render the Team Exocet CD null and void before I could listen to it, and I found out about it? Then you and I would have very strong issues between us, and I don't even know you. I don't think you're mad at me, nor am I mad at you. We have a difference of opinion. We are both acting on our opinions. quote:It is issues like this that make it so that I don't post for weeks on end to this forum out of disgust. I will not quit Geocaching, but it sure tarnishes the childish excitement I have for the sport. I can understand that. But we must be forces for social change. Therefore these issues are important. Respectfully, AtP Edit: Maybe I'll start using the buttons for the UBB code [This message was edited by Atilla the Pun on April 24, 2002 at 08:25 PM.]

quote:Originally posted by urbo: terrorist, thug, nazi, crook, cdr. When you offer physical coercion to "motivate" me to stop what I am legally doing, then yes, you are a terrorist or a thug. Your sabre rattling escalated this from a discussion to something that may end in legal action or physical harm to someone. Deal with it. I have no sense of humor where you are concerned, you have declared your self ignorant and dangerous. quote:some of us need to get a life and stop trying to force there "values" on the rest of us. have a cd and a smile will ya? cache on! urbo You are correct sir about that. You need to quit attempting to force your values on me. If I ignore your blatently pirated CD in a cache then I am as guilty as you in regard to this law. So I will accept your offer and "have a CD and a smile".

quote:Originally posted by urbo: terrorist, thug, nazi, crook, cdr. When you offer physical coercion to "motivate" me to stop what I am legally doing, then yes, you are a terrorist or a thug. Your sabre rattling escalated this from a discussion to something that may end in legal action or physical harm to someone. Deal with it. I have no sense of humor where you are concerned, you have declared your self ignorant and dangerous. quote:some of us need to get a life and stop trying to force there "values" on the rest of us. have a cd and a smile will ya? cache on! urbo You are correct sir about that. You need to quit attempting to force your values on me. If I ignore your blatently pirated CD in a cache then I am as guilty as you in regard to this law. So I will accept your offer and "have a CD and a smile".

quote:Originally posted by RedwoodRed:One of my favorite cache treasures is the Geocaching song compilation by Team Exocet. All of the songs are related to geocaching in some way, and one track is from NPR about geocaching. I plan on making a copy of it for myself and passing it along in another cache. I would never consider making bootleg copies of software and putting it in a cache. AOL CD's (aka: coasters), or software that was given to me for free should be acceptible. As someone who writes software, I would be very upset if someone ripped-off one of my original designs, and as a published writer, if someone used some of my content without at least quoting me or giving me due credit. I hate plagurism. Oops, is my opinion showing? ---------- Lori aka: _RedwoodRed_ KF6VFI "I don't get lost, I investigate alternative destinations." http://www.geogadgets.com http://www.beautywithattitude.com So the difference between someone "ripping off" one of your designs and you copying a couple of copyrighted tracks onto a CD to give away is ... what? And as I've said before, I'm not the Copyright Police. I'm not going to go out hunting caches to see if they contain copyrighted materials. I'll be hunting caches to hunt caches. AtP Edit: fixed mangled UBB code

quote:Originally posted by RedwoodRed:BUT... I think it is foolish to threaten others from either side ("anything I find illegal I'll break!" or "break my CD's and you'll get it!"). If you see items that you find "questionable", leave it for someone else who has fewer scruples, please, or trade it out for something decent. I really do not believe that the RIAA (or whomever) is going to waste litigation on Geocaching.com when Jeremy (or anyone else) has no proven control over what gets placed - hidden or traded for - in every single cache. The only way they would be is if some over-zealous self-righteous anti-music copying person points them this way. Oops, is my opinion showing? ---------- Lori aka: _RedwoodRed_ KF6VFI "I don't get lost, I investigate alternative destinations." http://www.geogadgets.com http://www.beautywithattitude.com Your opinion is showing, as was mine. I am not going to the RIAA if I find illegal CD's in a cache, I hate what they do with a great passion. However, if I find drugs in a cache should I leave them there? That's not going to happen either. Illegal copies of copyrighted material do not belong in a cache, per Jeremy. It so happens that the law agrees with him. As for my "bring it" comment, I almost took that out when I edited my post. But I want it clearly understood that I don't submit to terrorists, thugs, or other criminal elements. So accept my applogies if that seemed like too much testosterone to you, but some people only seem to understand one thing. Respectfully, AtP

Digital River had at least one.... I did a Google Search on cassiopeia GPS for these results. AtP

quote:Originally posted by urbo: i have absolutely NO problem with cdr's in my caches. load'em up boys! someone comes by and breaks'em thats fine. the stack of a 100 is at about $20 so they are going to be very busy chasing my caches around. Jeremy has said this is not allowed. Wanna bet you'll start getting some of your caches archived if people listen to your invitation? quote:The music industry has no pity charging $15 for something they have about $1 into. considering i own about 800 legit cd's i think i have done my share of paying for limos and chemical substances. $80 for good seats at a rock concert?? do i get some personal gratification with that?? Do you really want the RIAA's lawyers coming down on Geocaching.com, maybe forcing Jeremy to close down? Or did you just completely ignore my earlier post because you want something for free and no one elses opinion is important to you? This isn't about the money (not for me anyway). Nor do I work for or in any way, shape, or form, represent the recording industry, software industry, etc. quote:i dont think anyone has the right to destroy anything in anyones cache. if you see something you dont agree with then trade it out. I might trade for illegal items, but probably not. quote:as far as the napster police guy thats out there.. if i caught on to somebody doing that to my caches (destroying cdr's) i would deffinitely set him up for a very uncomfortable experience. remember, you are visiting an area thats new to you but well known to someone else. they have the upper hand. urbo Not only are you a thief, but now you, like most other criminals, are going to offer me physical violence to "protect your interests". And this petty attempt at terrorism makes you different from Osama bin Laden how? Other than scale, you don't seem to have the stomache for anything big. Talk is cheap, bring it on, if you have the chutpza. Edit: Corrected spelling [This message was edited by Atilla the Pun on April 23, 2002 at 08:33 PM.]

quote:Originally posted by urbo: i have absolutely NO problem with cdr's in my caches. load'em up boys! someone comes by and breaks'em thats fine. the stack of a 100 is at about $20 so they are going to be very busy chasing my caches around. Jeremy has said this is not allowed. Wanna bet you'll start getting some of your caches archived if people listen to your invitation? quote:The music industry has no pity charging $15 for something they have about $1 into. considering i own about 800 legit cd's i think i have done my share of paying for limos and chemical substances. $80 for good seats at a rock concert?? do i get some personal gratification with that?? Do you really want the RIAA's lawyers coming down on Geocaching.com, maybe forcing Jeremy to close down? Or did you just completely ignore my earlier post because you want something for free and no one elses opinion is important to you? This isn't about the money (not for me anyway). Nor do I work for or in any way, shape, or form, represent the recording industry, software industry, etc. quote:i dont think anyone has the right to destroy anything in anyones cache. if you see something you dont agree with then trade it out. I might trade for illegal items, but probably not. quote:as far as the napster police guy thats out there.. if i caught on to somebody doing that to my caches (destroying cdr's) i would deffinitely set him up for a very uncomfortable experience. remember, you are visiting an area thats new to you but well known to someone else. they have the upper hand. urbo Not only are you a thief, but now you, like most other criminals, are going to offer me physical violence to "protect your interests". And this petty attempt at terrorism makes you different from Osama bin Laden how? Other than scale, you don't seem to have the stomache for anything big. Talk is cheap, bring it on, if you have the chutpza. Edit: Corrected spelling [This message was edited by Atilla the Pun on April 23, 2002 at 08:33 PM.]

quote:Originally posted by lansink5mn:We're both on the same wavelength here, believe it or not. I was NOT saying that one SHOULD use the USPS out of patriotism or any other obligatory cause, I was merely saying that if one WANTS to use the USPS that 9/11 shouldn't stop you. I think we're way off the subject line...... Absolutly! Sorry for the rant. AtP

quote:Originally posted by lansink5mn:We're both on the same wavelength here, believe it or not. I was NOT saying that one SHOULD use the USPS out of patriotism or any other obligatory cause, I was merely saying that if one WANTS to use the USPS that 9/11 shouldn't stop you. I think we're way off the subject line...... Absolutly! Sorry for the rant. AtP

quote:Originally posted by lansink5mn:If we stop using the USPS when it meets our need at hand out of either convience or expense, because of 9/11 have we not given up a chunk of our freedom? Uh, no, actually we've gone a way towards regaining it. The Federal government has no business being in private business. And BTW, the USPS is a private business subsidized (in the past) by the Feds. I don't care if it's the only part of the Federal government that makes a profit. The government is not there to make a profit. It is there to provide certain minimal services to us, the citizens. AtP

Sounds like a cool idea for a cache toy as well as for one's own clothing. AtP

Sounds like a cool idea for a cache toy as well as for one's own clothing. AtP

No, for GMRS you ID every 15 minutes and/or at the end of the conversation. I believe this is true for ham, too, but I'm not certain. AtP

No, for GMRS you ID every 15 minutes and/or at the end of the conversation. I believe this is true for ham, too, but I'm not certain. AtP

If you want or need more information on GMRS as compared to FRS (or anyother radio topic for that matter) check out the Popular Wireless BBS. AtP

If you want or need more information on GMRS as compared to FRS (or anyother radio topic for that matter) check out the Popular Wireless BBS. AtP

quote:Originally posted by Tedoca:You could own the unit without a license, you could listen _and_ transmit on the FRS frequencies without a license, and you could _listen_ on the GMRS frequencies without a license. A violation would only occurr if you _transmit_ on the GMRS frequencies without a license. Regards, Tedoca http://mdgps.net Actually, you are mistaken about that. GMRS and FRS use 7 frequencies in common (interstitials is what they're called) but the GMRS radios actually broadcast on those frequencies with a wider deviation. Also, GMRS can broadcast on the insterstitials with up to 5 watts of power, compared to FRS with only half a watt. So technically, it is illegal for you to broadcast on the "FRS channels" with a GMRS radio unless you have a GMRS license. Since one license covers your entire nuclear family, and then some, and you're probably going to use the radios with your family members, getting one licence to cover the entire family is not a bad deal.... Respectfully, AtP

quote:Originally posted by Tedoca:You could own the unit without a license, you could listen _and_ transmit on the FRS frequencies without a license, and you could _listen_ on the GMRS frequencies without a license. A violation would only occurr if you _transmit_ on the GMRS frequencies without a license. Regards, Tedoca http://mdgps.net Actually, you are mistaken about that. GMRS and FRS use 7 frequencies in common (interstitials is what they're called) but the GMRS radios actually broadcast on those frequencies with a wider deviation. Also, GMRS can broadcast on the insterstitials with up to 5 watts of power, compared to FRS with only half a watt. So technically, it is illegal for you to broadcast on the "FRS channels" with a GMRS radio unless you have a GMRS license. Since one license covers your entire nuclear family, and then some, and you're probably going to use the radios with your family members, getting one licence to cover the entire family is not a bad deal.... Respectfully, AtP

Where/Who is EMS? Do they have a Web site? Thanks, AtP

Where/Who is EMS? Do they have a Web site? Thanks, AtP