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  1. Moisture will be your worst enemy. If you can beat that, temperature shouldn't effect it, unless it's EXTREME cold. For the most part, 20-30 degrees shouldn't have an effect on the camera. My digital camera have been left outside in the cold when it was -10 degrees while hunting, and they still turned on and took pictures.

  2. ... Nope sorry after a couple days your caches are abondoned property....

    If that's what the law says, then that's what happens. Fortunatly most laws are worded a bit differently.


    Here is a blip I found on google from Case law in Iowa. You may have a case with Mislaid Property but that's after the cacher forgot about it. It's all about what the law says, and in general even if legaly abandoned it's not yours to take.


    Abandoned Property: Property discarded with the intention of terminating ownership.

    Lost Property: Property unintentionally left because of carelessness or inadvertness.

    Mislaid Property: Property intentionally left in a place where the owner can find it and the place is later forgotten.

    Treasure Trove: Gold, silver or paper money concealed in the earth or a private place under circumstances indicating that the treasure has been concealed for so long that the owner is likely dead or unknown.

    With all due respect.


    Can we not turn this back into a flame war, and let it go?


    Laws are different everywhere, so what one law for Florida is, doesn't mean it's the same at New York, does it? If it's in local jurisdiction, usually laws will be different from place to place.


    I'm not an attorney, but that was the impression I was under.

  3. I think that I would leave them there and report where they are left at. I would hate to have them in my hands as the police would think that they are yours, It would be best to leave them alone and report them bickhart 814 Joel :laughing:

    Yeah, you don't want to have your fingerprints on it. With the legal system today, just report it to a local officer and keep away from it.


    If you're in Texas an you pick it up, you may be in the chair the next day. <_<

  4. I'm plannig on placing a simple, not too complicated murder mystery themed cache. Anyone know of any good examples I can get inspiration from?

    I was reading a local history book, and stumbled upon an unsolved murder mystery in the area from nearly the 1700's. I was really intrigued and have a plan for a cache hide to play out the story.


    Maybe your area has a similar story.

  5. Yes.


    I was caching with the family on State Route 43 headed toward the California coast. We stopped for a cache that had been hidden on a wide vista-point type turnout along the side of the highway. There was one other car parked in the turnout and it just happened that the GPSr was pointing right at it. I parked our car about 60 feet away and the wife and I focused on the task at hand - how to search for the cache in front of the car without being seen by the occupants. We just assumed they were looking at the view.


    I decided to just get out and 'walk around' and see what I could see. I saw a lot more than I expected. When I came around to the front of the other car (and I was literally within three feet of the front bumper) I saw the back side of a girl wearing nothing but bright pink thong, and a guy whose eyes were rolled back in his head. They were completely oblivious to me standing there. What I thought was most odd was that they were less that 100 feet off the highway and it was 4:00 in the afternoon!


    When I got back in the car, my wife asks 'Did you see anything?', and Kids (ages 6 & 3) piped in 'Yeah, Dad! What did you see?' I just smiled a stupid smile and was thankful they weren't with me..


    Along with that, that very first cache I found was in a reasonably remote area of BLM land. About an hour hike from the parking spot. The two cache logs prior to mine were from the day before and by a guy & girl who found the cache together. She signed her log with something like 'Found the cache then had sex on the rocks. They were sharp on my behind.' I didn't see anything, but I read the log.

    Uhh...sir...you sitting on my cache. :laughing:

  6. After about 1 hour of hiking, I stumbled upon a heavily wooded area... would you guess what I saw there? Some fat guy taking a pee in the woods, I walked on by. Unfortunately, about 3 mins later when he had left, I found that my GPS took me straight to the area where the man had "relieved" himself. While realizing how uncanny this was I saw it, the cache was as wet as my forehead which I was constantly pouring water over on the way to it. I couldn't bring myself to touch it so while using up the last of my water to refresh myself I decided to wait till the next day to obtain this cache.


    Have you ever been in a situation like this or close to this? If so post it.



    "IT WAS DISGUSTING!!!" :laughing:<_<:o:DB):o:DB):blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink:

    I think there used to be a old (now banned) cacher called "The Mad Crapper" and did #2 in all the caches.


    That would've been harder to come back later and to find any more pleasant.

  7. Actually, one time we got stopped by a police officer in Myrtle Beach. And it was an "urban micro" so we were going to explain to him, and he's like, "No, I just wanted to see you try to find it. I'm a cacher too."


    A little relief after that. :laughing:

  8. Could Groundspeak start dating any changes and additions (and striking out deletions, with the date they were struck out) to the cache placement guidelines? That way we have a clearer picture of when the changes were made, and a clearer picture of what is grandfathered and what is not.

    Why would you need to know what is grandfathered?

    Maybe so less posts that ask questions like..."How is this (some link) cache allowed to happen, and they won't approve mine."


    I thought you hated those kinds of posts anyways. :laughing:

  9. Okay, I know I have seen a topic like this in the past and a search for it has turned up nothing so I'll state my case. Lately a few of my hides have had people looking 30 to 50 feet from where my cache is hidden given the coordinates I have listed at the site. My GPSr which is a basic yellow Garmin eTrex has been very reliable to me. Although I did notice that when I was creating my coordinates I could not lock an accuracy rating better than maybe 25 or 30 feet. I would usually get around 16 or even 14. And this would be on a clear sunny day with no trees or buildings around to obstruct my view of the sky.


    So basically my question is this...


    Is it best to take your coordinates directly where you plant your hide since most GPS's will not give the same 100% accuracy as other's or should I continue to take them a few yards away from the cache as I have been?


    And second, is getting your accuracy the lowest you can better for creating your coords or is 25 to 30 feet still ok?

    On my GPS I can about 200 readings and average them on my Vista C. I get good comments for the accuracy of the coords. There are ways you can average coordinates even if you cannot do it on your GPSr.

  10. My son (3 yrs) and I went on a hunt for a local cache on Tuesday. We stick to the 1/1's or 2/2's at most because he's just a little guy and we're pretty new at this.


    We followed an asphalt path to the edge of the woods where the GPS was pointing around 500' in. It looked like we needed to get into the woods to get to the cache. I looked down as we were about to step in to check my footing and I see all these little bugs around a hold in the ground about 3' in front of me.


    Then in occurs to me..."those aren't ants...". I look over and see my son walking practically right on top of the nest, not seeing what was going on. As fast as I could think it I reached to pick him up. I can feel the bees whipping around my head and I am getting stung in the legs. I think, "maybe I got him in time" and then he SHREEKS in my ear...too late.


    We ran to a safe area about 10-20 feet away and he is in hysterics. I strip off his shorts and shirt and smash a couple bees in the process.


    Amazingly we only got stung 5 times between us, once on my head and on both knees, and him on the head (practically the same spot as me) and in the cheek.


    And we never found the cache :)

    Bees aren't fun insects to deal with. We've had some occurences with bee's nests, but with all the stuff I carry, I usually have something to fight back with.


    Raid is my best bet. :)

  11. My bottle usually leans to the left, too.  But I don't need both hands to hold onto my bottle.

    Must be a micro brew. :)

    Maybe so, Ed, but at least I don't drink alone as much as you do.



    That was quick.


    Lep is on a roll!

  12. In the signature item factory, we've bred a strain of mute hamsters which tend to work the best for not only avoiding suspicion from law enforcement, but also to prevent giving away the cache location to muggles as the cute little rodents cry out to be rescued from the frigid confines of a snowed-in ammo box.


    Due up next from the lab is our new white mouse signature item. We're finding that, with the proliferation of micro and small caches, it's getting to be more and more of a challenge to find large hamster-suitable caches quickly enough to keep pace with the production of new litters of sig items. The projected switchover to a 33%/66% mix of hamsters and mice on November 1st will hopefully go a long way in alleviating this inventory control challenge.

    :) You lost me!

  13. I have found plenty of caches on the front porch of Cracker Barrel, and similar locations, without attracting any suspicion at all. Perhaps it is a matter of skill in not looking suspicious. I have also abandoned hunts when I determined that I could not find the cache without attracting suspicion.


    I have been questioned by law enforcement numerous times in the course of 1600+ cache hunts, and only twice has that occurred while I was hunting a microcache. In one case, the officer stayed and helped our group find the micro because he had a stronger flashlight! More often, I emerge from the woods to find police cars parked next to my cachemobile because I was either parked in an odd spot, or someone saw me go into the woods and thought I looked suspicious.

    That may be true, I was making a more vague generalization of urban micros.


    You may have some "non-looking-suspicious" skill, but for the most part if you hide a micro right beside a window pane of a Cracker Barrel people are going to look at you whether or not you have to poke around to find the cache.


    My philosophy is, if you are going to hide a cache, make it worthwhile.


    Most of the Cracker Barrel caches really aren't going to take someone in the area to a place they haven't been before. But may cause suspicion to surround them.


    And when I go into the woods, I never have a problem. We find the nearest public parking spot, or ask a local if we can park at their place while we hike. We get out our hiking gear, and no questions are asked.


    Hikers have a more legitmate front usually, and aren't questioned. People poking around in the middle of a high traffic street, or at a Cracker Barrel where possibly the owner doesn't even know the cache is infact there, in my opinion, would draw alot more attention.


    But that's just how I see it. :)

  14. I think there are way too many view points on this subject, and no one ever wins in the end.


    My opinion, hunt what you like, hide what you like.


    And for the most part, people follow that as well, but some people carry the "hide" overboard. If you hide 200 micros, yourself, in one city, you are a self-centered cacher. Regardless of size, style, etc. you are trying to influence everyone around you to cache the way you want.


    Urban caches do raise suspicion, especially when you're on the porch of a Cracker Barrel with families having their meals and staring at you while you search.


    I agree that urban micros should be more "well thought out" and shouldn't put people in bad situations...like my first cache I hidden, which was a micro.


    The OP may have been getting at, that, for the most part, urban caches that raise suspicion are usually micros. If it was a regular sized ammo can, it's probably hidden in a place that has less traffic and the hunter can get in, sign the log, get out without rasing suspicion. If you're in New York City on Broadway trying to tear through every possible location you see to find a cache without a hint, you get mad.


    It's certainly a touchy subject, but one that needs to be instilled in the heads of both new and old cachers.

  15. I think it's 4000 characters.

    Yes, many cachers on the more interesting caches in the area seem to go over the 4,000 character limit. Then if they feel to type more, they just post a note to continue their cache log story. Cache hiders love to see the long story of hiding the cache, so go ahead....write a novel. :P

  16. I'm working from home today and my Quest arrived from UPS. I took it outside and stood around for a few minutes and it knows where I live! I really don't feel like working much now.


    This is definately a product where you must read the manual. It's charging up right now and tonight I'll load the maps and play around with it a little. It will be cool to finally enter the coordinates of some of the caches in my area. I'm going to find at least one cache this weekend.

    Finally a positive OP Posting!


    Go out and have some fun.

  17. My wife is going to buy me a GPS for my birthday. This will be our first gps unit. We live in the mountains surrounding Phoenix, AZ...so there is LOTS of hiking to do out here. With the different elevations, we really want one with an altimeter. This seems to elminate every entry level device I can find. As a result, Im to the point where if Im spending $300, I may as well spend $400 for the Garmin 60CS. But then you add the software, accessories, etc. it's now $500. Im fine with spending that much, but I just want o make sure Im not missing another option...


    Can someone list the GPS units with Altimeters? Also, does Garmin plan on coming out with a unit that has expandable memory? I assume 56mb is enough for hiking Arizona? I have no real desire for automobile navigation...so I am not worried about City maps...just Topo or whatever it is called.

    Want every single option in a nice sized GPS that will do anything that any other GPS by Garmin can do plus more.


    Garmin GPSmap 60CS.


    Undisputed champion, except by people who aren't fans of the pricetag.

  18. As time goes by more and more cachers seem to be piecing together creative puzzle caches. Most of these are mind numbing brain twisters that make one take pride in that smilie when they proudly write their name in the log book.


    What was your favorite puzzle cache based on the technique used to derive the coordinates or creativity of the puzzle?

  19. I have found 700+ caches to date without WAAS. While I don't deny that it does help with GPS accuracy, I havent needed it so far so I can't justify the addtional battery drain.



    Once I reach within 50 feet of the cache, I usually shut the GPS off and search for hiding places. I have more fun doing so. If in heavy groundcover I may travel closer to the cache, but usually without WAAS I obtain an accuracy of +/- 10 feet. Which I believe is just as good as with WAAS on.

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