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The next meeting of the Upstate South Carolina Geocachers Association will be a CITO event at the SCALE outdoor classroom in Duncan, SC. GCXJMJ Date: August 19, 2006 Time: 9:00 AM - 12:00 PM The South Carolina Academic Learning Environment (SCALE) is a six-acre scale map of South Carolina, and is owned by District Five Schools of Spartanburg. Walking paths mark the interstate highways, gravel beds mark the major rivers, and there are seven classroom areas at major city sites. There is also a multi-stage virtual geocache at SCALE ( GCEE8), which takes cachers to various points around the site. The site does receive funding from the SC Tourism board, and is open for public use as long as classes aren't using the facility. During last December's ice storm, SCALE suffered major damage, and was closed for the remainder of the school year. Crews have removed the limbs and downed trees, but there's still lots to be done before the site can re-open. Our group will be doing general clean-up. This will involve picking up trash (there's lots) and clearing the pathways. We will need trash bags, gloves, leaf blowers, and rakes. We will NOT be doing any trimming or cutting because there are some native plants, and I'd hate to cut down something important. We would love to have as many volunteers as possible to help get SCALE back together and the SCALE virtual back online.

The next meeting of the Upstate South Carolina Geocachers Association will be a CITO event at the SCALE outdoor classroom in Duncan, SC. GCXJMJ Date: August 19, 2006 Time: 9:00 AM - 12:00 PM The South Carolina Academic Learning Environment (SCALE) is a six-acre scale map of South Carolina, and is owned by District Five Schools of Spartanburg. Walking paths mark the interstate highways, gravel beds mark the major rivers, and there are seven classroom areas at major city sites. There is also a multi-stage virtual geocache at SCALE ( GCEE8), which takes cachers to various points around the site. The site does receive funding from the SC Tourism board, and is open for public use as long as classes aren't using the facility. During last December's ice storm, SCALE suffered major damage, and was closed for the remainder of the school year. Crews have removed the limbs and downed trees, but there's still lots to be done before the site can re-open. Our group will be doing general clean-up. This will involve picking up trash (there's lots) and clearing the pathways. We will need trash bags, gloves, leaf blowers, and rakes. We will NOT be doing any trimming or cutting because there are some native plants, and I'd hate to cut down something important. We would love to have as many volunteers as possible to help get SCALE back together and the SCALE virtual back online.

Running GPXSonar on a3970 Compaq Ipag with PocketPC 2002 for about 5 months and have had no problems until a coup[le of days ago. Pulled up and found several caches, and then got the above fault. Luckily we also had Cachemate on the pda, and were able to continue our caching. I redownloaded and re-installed the program, with the same results...

Thanks Jeremy! I appreciate your reply, and consideration. Sorry that this thread took so many twists and turns. Flip the light switch off and let's go caching!

No disrespect intended, but I am the OP...and no one of authority has answered the question.

Team Neos...I have no idea what you've been smoking...but I was the one who asked the initial question, as follows: Now....Maybe my English teacher steered me wrong somewhere down the line, but I am quite sure that there is a valid question there. Yes, there are many facets to some of the issues we have had with reviewers, but by-and-large, those issues have been settled. You don't know us, so don't pretend to be a wise owl. In case you still have the pipe in your hand, put it down and re-read the following: That is what I want to know. Simple question. Now go have fun!

Thanks, Ryan... We are excited about your cache, even if it didn't turn out the way you expected. I am still waiting on an answer to my original question. It's funny, in that the Delorme has nothing to do with this question. Like yourself, we'll just go have fun anyway!

<taps screen again> Hello....'ello....'ello.... Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me....

Now that the update is complete... Maybe someone "out there" will give us a little insite.

Due to the lack of respons by anyone at GC.com, I would say that we probably won't be getting any straight answers anytime soon. It shouldn't be so complicated.

Looks to me as if the necesary info has been posted here, as requested. It would be nice to have at least someone from Geocaching.com to respond to this thread, so as to have some explanations and possible solutions. The problem with the reviewer system as it stands is that each has his or her own opinion as to enforcement. I have a couple of puzzle ideas, but until this is resolved, I can't post them for caching enjoyment.

That "pal" is his son... And how are we to compare what you ask, when reviewers have anonimity? Simple questions are being made more complicated.

Which takes us full circle into my question of providing said server space for premium members.

That is by far one of the coolest Puzzle" caches I have seen! Thanks for the common sense input! Awaiting answers, I am.

Thanks, WB, for posting the pictures and quote. I hope that clarifies the issues, and maybe now we can get some answers.

The "OP" has a name. And this has nothing to do with my own personal experiences at posting caches. Once again, I haven't had a problem with getting on posted. SCR has not been, in any way, rude or unreasonable with me. I can't give you a link to a web-page that I don't have. However, the potential cache in question was done by a college student and is hosted on his payed for server, not a freebie account. If I can get the site, by all means, I'll list it. It was refused for the reasons that it was not hosted on a "public" webpage, but a personal one. My original question is why? What is the difference? And...if you use your brain and scroll back up, I was wondering if Groundspeak could offer us premium members a small fragment of their space for such caches. If you don't have an answer, or are just trying to be a jerk, please move on.

<taps glass again> I thought I phrased my answer in the form of a question, Alex....

<taps glass on monitor> Is this thing on? As I said, I haven't had real issues with any of my caches. The website that was to be used is not freebie space from a provider, but purchased server space. Just looking for some clear, simple amswers, and offering a posible solution.

Once again, this isn't about the 10 cache/bonus cache set-up as a whole. This is a question as to why some web-based puzzle caches are allowed, the definition of "public" webpages, and if Groundspeak would set aside a small portion of their server space for the inclusion of puzzle web-pages (just like the space used for pictures.)

That issue was resolved by having each cache contain a letter that would be substituted for a number. Simple solution there. I just don't understand the webpage puzzle being shot down. It meets the three-month guildline, and to be honest, would last longer that most stupid lamp-post micros. My guess is that we have a reviewer here in SC that has blackballed certain users. Now that I have said that, I'll probably make the list, too. All this is doing is forcing those of us who love this hobby, (and up until a month ago have been feverous supporters of Geocaching.com) to go to rival sites for our fix.

The hosting issue isn't the problem. I have web space. (Grrrrowlfan.net) Several of our local members have web space. Our Geocaching group's website can be used, as well. I just don't get it. The above moderators post has been the standard line thrown back at us. This started as a 10 cache contest (1 for each county in the Upstate South Carolina Geocaching Group area) and a bonus cache to be given via email to all that completed the twn initial caches. That was shot down because of the email situation. Also, one of our members wanted to do a multi-leg, in which one leg was close toi another of his own caches. That was shot down. Yet another issue arose via the web-page based puzzle cache idea was shot down, when as has been proven on this board, there are many out there, and very recent ones, I might add. With the first problem came up, we refered to the Delorme Challenge. Yes, we are aware that the mere presence of a cache doesn't guarantee aproval. Some of us have had no problem getting caches approved, while others have had to walk through fire. As for the Delorme Challenge being granted special permission, let's look at that: Here in South Carolina, only one person maintains that cache, one email address to get the final cache. With our 10 cache contest, there are several members maintaining the cache, and with that, several email addresses to use to get the bonus cache coords. On top of that, the Delorm Challenge requires one to buy the Delorme Atlas, which is a direct violation of terms here, because of the comercial nature of the cache. The moderator hasn't addressed the issue of "public" websites, which was my original question. Personally, I had no problem getting my cache apprved,but others apparently had a different reviewer than I. Me thinks that something is rotton in Denmark. Oh, and I am working on getting the puzzle website address, to let you see whatever the problem may be.

The issue is not "perminant," The issue is "public." This is all that the guidlines have: The Delorme Challenge is set up on that very principle. Honestly, every website that the public can type and access is "public."

We have tried that... We were told that personal websites could not be used for puzzle caches, only "public" sites. I agree with you, but here in South Carolina, our reviewers see it differently.

It has been a subject with our group. Some of us wanted to do some web-site based puzzle caches. There are some that already exist that are not, as current requirements require, on "public" webspace. What constitutes "public" webspace? What is the difference, when a pzzle cache, who's website may be down can be archived and disabled like any other. Couldn't Groundspeak offer up space on this site for web-based puzzles as a Premium Membership Feature? Thanks!

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