4wheelin_fool

I would just write and inform them exactly what you intend to do, describing the container and the estimated number of visits per month. Ask for their input, and to identify any sensitive locations. Hello, I am planning to hide a container near ..... as part as a geocaching activity. Coordinates are posted online, and players try to locate them using a GPS or smartphone. I estimate that it may have an average of .... visits per month, and with minimal impact other than a possible light trail that should disappear after the geocache is removed. If you have any concerns, or input I would be happy to hear them, and if there are any sensitive locations that should be avoided please let me know. Thanks!

Then how did Mingo get destroyed so many times? It was in regular intervals of 3-4 months, but then stopped completely once it wasn't buried anymore. It wasn't someone local, and likely someone retired or a trucker.

GC559M6? Published 3 months ago it has 90 finds and 12 favorites. Are you certain that the hole was installed by a geocacher? As some utility poles have holes already. It seems that since Mingo isn't buried anymore, nobody has destroyed it since then, so we shall see how long this one lasts.. In the meantime it will get plenty of visits and some will probably copy it, with the reviewer saying they aren't a cache cop...

It's not just this thread. The "elitist" thing comes up regularly. I'm rarely ever a part of the discussion. But I firmly agree that it's intent of the cacher, not the fact that they're a premium member. You can even be elitist without being a premium member. Tying the PM fee with elitism is just wrong It has came up a lot, but it comes up less frequently as time goes on, as the elitism claims are slowly fading away. The first thread about it that I can recall, equated a premium member cache with the whore of Babylon. I can't find it, and suspect that it has been deleted. edit- cant find the reference

Honestly did not see an earlier thread, but how many threads are absolutely original? At least this topic isn't rehashed every month! This isn't the thread I was thinking about, but one that's similar. Death of Geocaching I don't know how making it easier is going to hurt anything, as there are other aspects to keep it going such as visiting interesting locations, getting exercise, and numbers of course.

This is the pretty much the same thread that was posted about 10 years ago. I cannot find it, but it had a similar title and the same premise about accuracy.

Stop reading things that aren't there. You may pesonally believe that throwdowns are wrong, but Groundspeak has never taken this position. The Help center article you are likely refering to simply makes it clear that a cache owner may delete the found log of someone who leaves a throwdown. It goes on to discourage cache owners from deleting found logs of people who subsequently find the throwdown, and most importantly it makes it the cache owner's responsibility to deal with the consequences of the throwdown. A cache owner may happily accept any unsolicited help anyone offers in maintaining their cache, and/or a cache owner may delete the found log of someone claiming a find by leaving a throwdown. ( There have been a number of responses of why people feel that it is not a good idea to leave unsolicited throwdowns, including that the this practice leads to more cache owners who are willing to hide hundreds of caches that they know they can't maintain. Let's leave it with real suggestions of what individuals believe is the best approach to deal with missing and unmaintained caches, and not invent Grounspeak policies that don't exist. We have a live one here!!! 3.9. Throwdowns - How to handle them http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=427

I am curious at what the threshold is to become elitist. If they made it $3 a year, would that still make it snobbery? They could have the three dollar payment broken into monthly installments of twenty five cents per month, and I bet that would not stop any complaining. As it is now, I believe the payments are broken down to three dollars a month, and I don't have any idea how this could be elitist. I recall attending an event at a free zoo where there was no fee at all to get in, but there was someone collecting donations at the front car entrance. Still, there were people who parked outside and walked in because they did not want to be asked at all. I suspect this is a little like that.

Coke bottles are fine for hides. Paint the inside brown, but only halfway up. Drill a hole in the bottom and glue in the bottom of a bison tube. Next, fill the bottle half way up with cement, and after it dries top off with some brownish liquid and glue the top shut with gorrilla glue. It should appear as a full bottle of coke with a lid that won't come off, and with the bison tube sticking out of the bottom.

Please don't replace any missing ones, and only repair the busted ones if they are decent hides. What you are doing was a good idea back in 2004 or so when there wasn't that many around. However It's nice that new cachers such as yourself have the instinct to repair and fix what they find, rather than leaving them out in the open with the lid off. Most cachers will appreciate repairs, but not replacements.

No, show him how to write a real log. Use a gibberish generator to fill out the maximum amount of characters, and then Bing translate it into Hungarian, Latvian, or even Klingon. http://www.webdesign...ou-should-know/ http://www.fillerati.com/ I'm gonna roll with a passage from Moby Dick, translated to Klingon. And yes, I'm really going to do this. Over the weekend, perhaps. I suspect that Groundspeak will be in touch with you if you do. I doubt it. At the most it's an off topic log. Someone who has consistently logged TFTC likely isn't going to write to anyone about a long nonsensical log which isn't much different than what the cacher Oregone has logged.

Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert hall.

Yes, there is one that changes the words very slightly so that it still is readable, but yet it's borderline nonsense. You can also pick the degree of gibberish, but too much ruins it. Of course, you can do the same thing using Google translate and putting it through a few different languages before converting it back to English. There is one that does that also.

No, show him how to write a real log. Use a gibberish generator to fill out the maximum amount of characters, and then Bing translate it into Hungarian, Latvian, or even Klingon. http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2012/03/15-dummy-text-generators-you-should-know/ http://www.fillerati.com/

The new people post TFTC, while the premium members with experience write fancy multicolored logs with different fonts and smileys, which are copy and pasted. What's the difference, exactly?

There is no need to sign a logbook at an event if everyone obviously knows you were there. Telling someone they have to leave the event is harassment, plain and simple.

It looks like one is on the corner of the school's baseball field, while a second is on the property of a catholic school and church. They don't look too bad, although questionable.

There are plenty of premium members who are not elitists, but "filthy casuals".

It's not a very long street, and there are not any caches on it but a few multi's and puzzles the next street over from the same hider, although no new ones. There might be room in a few places, but although they probably weren't caught, they likely know the police investigated. Its certainly possible to find the hole, and it probably wouldn't take too long, to see how it could have been used. Other than mounting a video camera, hooking up a box for illegal wiretapping, cable TV, power, or hiding a cache, I can't think of too many other reasons. I've found only one cache in which someone drilled a utility pole to hide a film can under a reflector, although many utility poles have preexisting holes which are about 1/2 inch in diameter and go completely through them. There are several others I've found that had drilling involved, so that can't be ruled out..

Every cache is open for everbody to find. There are ways a basic member can find a premium member only cache(not called member only caches, because even unpaid members, are still members) and Groundspeak allows them to still log these caches, even leaving a backdoor method of logging them open. If a cache was truly muggled, then it wouldn't matter if it was a PMO cache, or even listed on the website. I do believe putting every cache you own as PMO to prevent others from finding it is elitist. Why hide caches if you don't want people finding it? PMO does prevent thefts, although it doesn't stop it completely. It's like locking your car, versus leaving the key in the ignition. Locking it doesn't deter everyone from stealing it, but it does make it less likely.

In some countries like Bangladesh, $30 a year probably would be elitist, otherwise it's just capitalism. Not paying anything is more like communism. Using an expensive electronic device and paying for gas, but expecting some other service to be free is just asinine.

DNFs are often unpredictable. One DNF could mean that a dozen people scoured the area for it, but only one posted anything. Or it could mean that only one person gave it a quick look, but had to leave after a minute or so. Often one DNF will cause the next person to believe that it may be missing, cause them to be biased, so they don't find it because of this, and they post a second one. The third person might see this and give up quickly, post a third one, leading to a NA or disablement if it has been not found in a while, or it might cause them to look harder, or too hard. I've seen this snowball effect occur with 7 DNFs, but then someone finds it. If you are looking and thinking it's not there all along, you probably won't find it. A majority of my finds are just after I've given up, but decide to give a quick look in one last place.

Pst... Don't mention that... Most people don't know were to get the info, but of course, where do you think I found out where these are? So, make it a puzzle. Tell them that they have the option of solving it online, or visiting the location, unless there is something else interesting there. I don't think anyone would get shocked, as they would be required to read the page. The only question is the property access, and whether the property manager would appreciate the traffic as fences are put up for reasons.

The problem is that geocachers tend not to hide the cache back well, and will often leave it easier for the next person, intended as a kind gesture. The only way to prevent this, is to say exactly how it is hidden in the hint field. Someone along the way will hide it back that way, and others will not feel the instinct to make it easier. Telling them to hide it back as found is essentially useless and breaks the chain once someone changes it.

Jut be sure to put an electric shocking pen in the final container.