
4wheelin_fool
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Sure, that is one perception. Cachers pay for the final locations of PMO caches, why should the others be treated differently? So you are asking why different cache types should be treated differently? Because they...are different? Actually, Roman!'s nefarious plan could.be viable if it was done gradually in increments. The challenge experiment would have worked also, if Groundspeak had not thought ahead several years and jumped to that place right off the bat. People's habits and beliefs change slowly, and trying to jump ahead so quickly is akin to trying to steer a large ship very.sharply, as it will only churn water. Many COs want cachers to solve their puzzles, or to know how they are solved. However simply being handed the final coords is a little obnoxious. I can project that double premium enacted in its proposed form would result in an overall loss, with cancellations exceeding subscribers. Although gradually, anything is possible. If we go back to 1800 and eliminate slavery, enact women's rights, eliminate child labor and enact minimum wages, there would be widespread anarchy. In 1974 government eavesdropping was not tolerated, but today it is. Anything is possible in time.
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The log deletion notice made me curious because it has been over a year. No one has found the cache during that time and there is no indication that maintenance was done, the cache checked, and that things have been worked out with base security. It is possible that by now the base has relaxed a bit and cachers might be able to gain access, but I wonder what they will find. I hope it will be a cache and that this could serve as a reminder that problems with security can be resolved. But it also could be that the log was simply deleted. I received a log deletion notice today also on the same cache. Strangely it did not contain any content, or any link to the cache, just the profile of Zekes Uncle. I don't recall exactly what I wrote, but it appears the CO is not going to post any owner maintenance notes or explanation of anything, whether it has been replaced or if there is any type of permission for anyone to be there. The cemetery has special permission for family access, not for the general public. I don't think anyone on the base is going to be very happy to find out that there are game players intentionally misleading the guard for base access to play a game.
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There they are, with a 21 minute delay. Geez the NSA needs to read quicker.
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Perhaps the "irony" was overlooked. Groundspeak is in the buisness of "giving away locations". Today Groundspeak provides the final coordinates for: Traditional Geocaches, Virtual Caches, Letterbox Hybrids, All Event Cache Types, Webcam Caches, Earthcaches, and GPS Adventures Exhibits, and make money off it. Today Groundspeak provides the final coordinates for: "Premium Member Only" (PMO) Caches (with permission), through premium membership and make money off it. Notwithstanding, the ethical/moral considerations, the mechanics, and the implied current expectations between the CO and GS, why should mystery caches, multis, and whereigos be treated any different? Because that would make them traditionals.
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I'm currently not receiving e-mails to my Gmail account. I emailed someone and the copy of the email was never delivered to me. I asked someone else to email me and never received anything, although they received a copy of it to their Yahoo account. I checked the spam folder and there is nothing.
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Is that not the current Groundspeak buisness model? Does it upset other cache owners, evidently not, so why are puzzle cache owners more special? The puzzles were not created with the expectation that the answers would be given away for a price. Even if there was an individualistic way to sell each one, with owners getting a share, this would be nightmarish scenario of inadvertently creating a black market for puzzle answers being sold cheaper somewhere else, as well as involving taxes. A more logical solution would rather be to encourage puzzle owners to show their solution somewhere, such as on a official Groundspeak endorsed webpage. There already are plenty that are willing to spoil their own puzzles, as evidenced by a few threads. Why not create an area where everyone can do this? You could look up the puzzles in your area and see who is participating. A wholesale release of that data done without explicit consent would enrage quite a few people.
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List of images on Groundspeak's servers.
4wheelin_fool replied to Gill & Tony's topic in General geocaching topics
Yours are displaying lower than the "find" and "trackables logged" boxes on IE9. They still look good but that image to the right of them is downright, as they say on the state farm commercial,,, hideous! They seem to move around. Sometimes they are little bit too high, and viewed from my phone they are halfway down the page. If I adjust them, they might just shift again. Yes, the image is hideous, but it's a little better than the one of Rob Ford that was up, both being reminders not to take the game too seriously. -
As was said before, profiles of achievements are public. People who legitimately earn an award are pleased that they did. It understandably bothers them when others put out false information that "I did such-and-such," when in fact they didn't. They feel the phony claims of an achievement cheapens their honest achievements. If an achievement gets cheapened so easily, then it was never an achievement to begin with. If a Hyundai owner puts Porsche decals on their car, it should not make other Porsches worth less, or less of a driving experience. If someone goes to Niagra Falls and buys a tee shirt, and then discovers the same tee shirt can be purchased online, it shouldn't bother them. If it does, then they never should have gone in the first place. Symbol worshipping has been around for a long time, and it's nothing to be proud of.
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List of images on Groundspeak's servers.
4wheelin_fool replied to Gill & Tony's topic in General geocaching topics
I had thought the same thing you did and used the smiley image by substituting "found" for "dnf" for hides. -
And you don't think that the puzzle owners might be just a little upset at Groundspeak for giving away the locations, as well as making money off of it?
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It's neither cheating nor creative, but silly and stupid. If someone who never entered the service got a military tattoo, what would you call it?
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I'm not sure where you got that anyone was denying RRs have safety concerns. That's one of many reasons they defend their right-of-ways. And I'm not sure where you got that anyone was denying that there's concern for safety. We aren't talking about concern for safety, we're talking about responsibility for safety, both in the casual sense that everyone must keep in mind that, above all else, the CO are ultimately responsible for the safety of any seekers, and in the very real legal sense that GS, reviewers, and RRs never, ever want to be in a position of having given official permission to go into a dangerous area. The CO is not responsible for safety. That responsibility is completely that of the cache finder. Should LPCs be disabled in the winter because the parking lot has ice, snow, and someone could slip and injure their back? Perhaps. but if it isn't, the cache seeker is completely responsible for their own safety. There's just too many people trying to avoid responsibility for their own actions these days. The CO should feel a duty to warn of any hazards, but being responsible? No. I'm not even sure the RR is necessarily concerned about safety. Likely they are concerned about being sued for injuries.
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FTF only after publish?
4wheelin_fool replied to S.punkt B.punkt's topic in General geocaching topics
It's unlikely that you could determine that for certain. I could hide a cache and "publish" it by emailing my friends. It's still a geocache. According to Dictionary.com, it has to be posted on the internet. The Oxford dictionary stipulates that it has to be on a website. So if a Scout leader hides a container for his Scout troop, lends them a GPS and gives them coordinates to find it, it's not a geocache? The question is does the dictionary definition reflect us, or do we define the dictionary? The scout leader can call it whatever he wishes, but I don't think it's a geocache. It's a cache of some form, likely to be a ziplock container, hence garbage. And to expand this further, there are quite a few scouts that list geocaches clearly where they shouldn't be, only to get them published and immediately archived. The point of this is that the archived listing is still logable for the scouts. Even to them, it isn't a geocache unless there is a page somewhere. -
FTF only after publish?
4wheelin_fool replied to S.punkt B.punkt's topic in General geocaching topics
And if nobody finds it, it's garbage. If one person finds it accidentally without GPS usage, it's not really a geocache. -
FTF only after publish?
4wheelin_fool replied to S.punkt B.punkt's topic in General geocaching topics
It's unlikely that you could determine that for certain. I could hide a cache and "publish" it by emailing my friends. It's still a geocache. According to Dictionary.com, it has to be posted on the internet. The Oxford dictionary stipulates that it has to be on a website. So if a Scout leader hides a container for his Scout troop, lends them a GPS and gives them coordinates to find it, it's not a geocache? The question is does the dictionary definition reflect us, or do we define the dictionary? The scout leader can call it whatever he wishes, but I don't think it's a geocache. It's a cache of some form, likely to be a ziplock container, hence garbage. -
Some geocachers are cheaters. I am a geocacher. Does that make me a cheater? Why would it? Integrity doesn't need to be defined by cheating, or lack of. It can exist on on it's own.
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FTF only after publish?
4wheelin_fool replied to S.punkt B.punkt's topic in General geocaching topics
It's unlikely that you could determine that for certain. I could hide a cache and "publish" it by emailing my friends. It's still a geocache. According to Dictionary.com, it has to be posted on the internet. The Oxford dictionary stipulates that it has to be on a website. -
It's not cheating unless there is someone losing. Nobody starts losing until someone believes someone else is winning. At that point they are cheating themselves by believing that. Yes, there are cheaters in geocaching.
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FTF only after publish?
4wheelin_fool replied to S.punkt B.punkt's topic in General geocaching topics
Groundspeak does not own geocaching. It can be a geocache without being listed on the geocaching.com site. It could be. However if it's not published anywhere, it's not a geocache. I was FTF on a toolbox geocache that never was listed. Essentially that means I was the only one to sign the logsheet inside a piece of garbage. If it ever gets listed anywhere, then I am FTF, but until then it means nothing. -
FTF only after publish?
4wheelin_fool replied to S.punkt B.punkt's topic in General geocaching topics
It's pretty simple. The OP is FTF, and the other person is FTFAP (first to find after publishing). This is the traditional way that most geocachers handle this. Irisisleuk also has a good point, as if it was never published, it would be nothing. -
The black helicopters have been all over that area, and I'm afraid the project would be fruitless.
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Correct. There is no review for safety by Groundspeak. No, that review is for trespassing, due to the RRs concern for safety. Hope that helps.
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It's due to an arrest for trespassing and vandalism in 2002, in which a geocacher spray painted a track to indicate a hide, and placed a cache nearby. http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=52574 There is no review for safety.
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I'm starting to think double premium is a good idea. However instead of giving away puzzle solutions, puzzle owners could pay for the system to identify geocachers who do not like puzzles, and make the puzzles invisible to them. This could be done with a combination of log analysis and frequency of puzzle finds. This would also help people who are unable to ignore them. It's a win-win situation.