4wheelin_fool

http://coord.info/GC1JMWP More..

http://coord.info/GC1FTMK Another one. <<

http://coord.info/GC1DGKM C'mon do you really expect someone to check up on a paddle to in December? There seems to be a local pattern of this, along with cachers posting NM and NAs instead of DNFs. Don't see how any new or part time cachers would be enchanted by this.

FTF is a fact, not a title to be awarded by the CO, or decided upon by a group of people. It's pretty easy to define who found it first. I've never seen any football game in which there were a half dozen teams playing all at once on the same field, composed of both individuals and groups of varying amounts. If several people all decide on being FTF, it's a little silly but nothing to get upset about. The egg can only be fertilized by the first finder.

You should make it PMO, as they have gotten popular lately...unfortunately.

Just face it. That challenge you concocted is a bad idea.

If they are PMO puzzle caches that rules out the app users, but could point to the trend of seasoned finders not really hiding things back too well. Some think its a great thing to help the next guy out, until it gets found by a passerby and disappears.

That's the most likely scenario with an LPC.

It sounds great! Although I can't tell what it is without more info. Are all stages listed on the page? If so then it likely should be a mystery. When people go for multis they expect a chain of coords.

It may also depend on the era in which the church/cemetery was established. The only churches with cemeteries (or cemeteries with churches) that I can think of are the old Spanish missions. Other than that, even the historic (i.e., no longer active) cemeteries I've visited have been stand-alone cemeteries, not part of any church grounds. The majority of old churches in the east all have cemeteries, and nearly all of the old cemeteries that I have visited which don't currently have churches, did originally have them at one time. I'm curious, do you know how old the churches are, in general? I'd say 1800s to early 1900s. For example the Colestown cemetery in Cherry Hill does not have a church, but there is a space where one was up until the 1800s. The oldest stones are clustered around the spot. I hid this cache in a cemetery located pretty far in the woods. The nearby homeowner told me there used to be a church up there too, but it's long gone. The graves are from 1760s to 1910. Years ago every cemetery was either near a church, or a family plot. The family plots I've found in rural Georgia have headstones and footstones, as well as a raised berm of dirt in between. If it was on the top of a hill there likely was a church there at one time, as they tended to place the churches in the highest spot.

It actually happens all of the time. The irritating part is when seasoned finders leave it there and exclaim that they are leaving it as they found it. Sometimes they will post a Needs Maintenance, instead of rehiding it in a likely spot and emailing the CO.

Yes, a bit strong. The OP's intentions are good, even if many of us disagree with many of the details. He *was* sort of thrown under the bus. Rather he was laying in the middle of the street in front of a bus stop, instead of doing maintenance.

Id rate this thread a 3/2.5 based on the difficulty and slippery slope.

Congratulations! Great job!!! Wait, you didn't brush your hair? Cheater...

It may also depend on the era in which the church/cemetery was established. The only churches with cemeteries (or cemeteries with churches) that I can think of are the old Spanish missions. Other than that, even the historic (i.e., no longer active) cemeteries I've visited have been stand-alone cemeteries, not part of any church grounds. The majority of old churches in the east all have cemeteries, and nearly all of the old cemeteries that I have visited which don't currently have churches, did originally have them at one time.

Okay, now I remember reading this thread 9 years ago. Still have to try that.

A cache was removed due to "tripping hazards" and being off trail, due to a note from someone using a county name in a state park. There are tripping hazards everywhere.. This one is at a former dump site, but other than an odd loose chunk of concrete, it's not much different than walking over rocks. http://coord.info/GCM596

That pretty much summarizes the previously mentioned "Frisbee rule", which many of us old-timers subscribe to. And I totally agree with 4WF's first sentence. By the way, and I'm half joking, half serious here, just about every cache pages where the cache owner feels compelled to write something along the lines of "watch for muggles" is pretty much an admission of the cache being placed without permission. I could see that if it's "watch for security or employees", but if it's just generic non cachers, then I don't agree with that. You can have a cache in a park and say, "watch out for non cachers" and still have permission. Yes, watch out for muggles means that non cachers may disturb it, not the property managers. Also there are plenty of places that frisbee may not be welcome, but geocaches are, like some parking lots. My opinion is if there is a building present with employees on the property, then they ought to know about it, whether it's a nature center or a coffee shop. If nobody is working there then it should be fine wherever the public can go.

If I'm not mistaken, the virt is at the airport. Perhaps you should change the requirements. Reading the OP it seems that they are couch potato logs, but it actually looks like they are valid.

http://www.geocaching.com/hide/planning.aspx

When you create a cache page you are assigned the number, or GC code. Just do this and don't activate it until ready. A link can be found from any existing page on the top left.

Some people stubbornly insist on using lousy containers, even after they get continually get wet. Rather than using something different, they may expect finders to do maintenance for them, or want logbooks to disappear.

I have a few micros that have been out for almost 10 years without any maintenance, and which are still on their original, tiny 100 page logbook. I think it might be easier for the CO to stop using Eclipse containers, rather than to try and convince everyone that logbooks are unnecessary.

Prequalified finders can now add a 5/1 to their stats for finding a key holder in the end of a guardrail.

If an ongoing maintenance problem has been reported for several months, I don't think the owner is going to be anal about preserving the log. If they start to expect cachers to fix their caches, then it's probably time to archive them as being abandoned.