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  1. 1 hour ago, niraD said:

    If the CHS system can't deal with the way people actually post logs, then the CHS system needs to be fixed. Most people will not change the way they post logs to suit the CHS system's limitations.

    That's your opinion and I respect it.   My opinion still stands.  I don't expect the CHS to be going any where soon.  In that case I choose to change how I log to support what GS is trying to do. 


    I'm sure the OP can view both sides of the issue and decide what the best course of action will be. 



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  2. 5 hours ago, barefootjeff said:


    To the best of my knowledge, my cache was the only one affected but they didn't find many caches before they lost interest and most of the others were urban hides where doing that sort of thing would likely draw undue attention. There were three in the photo but only one logged a find so perhaps one of the muggle mates went back after the cacher had moved on. Also another local cacher recognised one of the three as someone he knew from his pre-caching muggle days so I suspect there might be more to this than I'm privy to and which I really don't want to become embroiled in.

    I feel ya.    You can except an animal or mother nature destroying one of your caches but I never understood why a reasoning brain would think doing something like that was somehow a good thing.  Just picture your cache on fire and Yogi Bear coming along to put it out.;)   

  3. On 7/20/2021 at 6:29 PM, barefootjeff said:


    Unless animals can operate zippers, I'm pretty sure it wasn't an animal. A newbie PM cacher messaged me that they'd been looking for two hours for the cache and needed more hints, so I replied with a photo showing a prominent feature close to GZ. There was no reply, or either a found or DNF log, so I went around to check on the cache to make sure it was still good (which it was) and see if there was a signature in the logbook (there wasn't). A week later they messaged me again, wanting more and more hints. One of their messages included a photo of them (there were three, late teens or early twenties, one with a cigarette in his mouth) standing in front of that prominent feature and wanting to know whether they had to look left or right. I replied with "Down" and a few minutes later they said they'd found it. Not convinced they were likely to put it back correctly, I went back round there again the next day, only to find the stash note lying out on the ground and part of the novelty spider container poking out of its hiding place, with the logbook sitting on top of it and the pencil under it.




    When I pulled the spider out and unzipped the pouch in its belly to put the logbook back in, I discovered it contained a pale yellow fluid. I suppose I should be glad they had the decency not to leave the logbook in it.


    So I suppose it's possible a muggle might have done it between visits, but that seems pretty unlikely as the cache is well concealed and is somewhere muggles are unlikely to be wandering by (its terrain rating is 3.5 and takes quite a bit of bush-bashing and rock scrambling to reach). Anyway, their premium membership lapsed soon afterwards and they haven't made any finds since late last year so hopefully they've found another passtime to annoy.

    Was the cache well concealed after this find?   Did you reach out and ask them about it? 


    If they were truly bad cachers I'd bet you'd notice a few NM logs after some of their other finds.   Seems odd to go through all that trouble to find a cache just to vandalize it.      I tend not to jump to conclusions on things like this but to be honest I've never had something like this happen to me.   Most of what I see looks like inexperience or simple mistakes.     I think most people who understand the game have more respect than that......but I'm sure there are exceptions.       

  4. 2 minutes ago, thebruce0 said:

    But in this context, you're saying it's okay for cache owners and finders to just shrug off things people do that negatively affect people's experiences, to not "obsess" over them.  I think it's naive to think the hobby can survive if such actions can run amok.  I think the middle ground, which I'm advocating, is that promoting good practices that make the hobby better, and discouraging practices that make the hobby worse for people, is not "obsessing", but healthy community strategy for the sake of the community. Obsessing is a whole different level that can make things worse, just as those who "cheat". On the other end, doing nothing at all can also make things worse as the hobby simply degrades.

    Healthy promotion of practices that benefit the hobby and community is the best course of action. At least some mix of that and apathy :P a net positive.

    No... what I said is I'm all for playing the game right but I'm not going to put a bunch of time and effort policing those who choose not to.   I take care of my caches and when finding a cache I'll post the appropriate logs according to the situation.  The rest I leave up to the reviewers to handle. 


    The only way to encourage "good practices" is through example.   The only way to discourage "bad practices" is through logs.  


    What I won't do is get upset or discouraged over something I have very little control over.    

  5. 4 minutes ago, thebruce0 said:

    Yep, obsessing is unhealthy and unhelpful.  But healthy promotion of what benefits the community should be encouraged.  If everyone were to simply take a hands off approach and shrug off everything, that was spell the end of the hobby. Enforcement falls in the hands of TPTB, but as a community we can promote the good and discourage the bad - without obsessing over enforcement.

    I think most people who hid and find caches do so because they want to not because they have to.   I also think that the vast majority of them are responsible and try to to the right things.   For those reasons I don't think a hands off approach would spell the end of the hobby.


    I'm all for playing the game right,  I just don't let those who choose not to effect my enjoyment of it.   

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  6. Same as you.   If it's all about the smiley, a caching streak or some sort of challenge I can see how one would be "effected".    I pretty much know the solid cache owners in my area so If I'm involved in something like that I'll try and choose a cache I'm relatively confident will be there and in good shape.


    I enjoy the find as much as the next person but it's not the primary reason I cache so false find logs, wet caches and missing travel bugs don't bother me all that much.     

  7. Just had a discovered log on a travel bug I've had in my possession for over three years,  even though it states on the TB page "No virtual logs please".  


    No in depth investigating needed on this one.  I just deleted the log and moved on.


    Obsessing over cheaters just ruins the game for me.   I have better things to do with my time than police the Geocaching community.   In my opinion you can't legislate morality and trying to do so is a huge waste of time.        

  8. On 4/27/2021 at 5:40 PM, barefootjeff said:


    I think I'd classify the one who urinated in my cache as "bad". Even an inexperienced cacher ought to realise that's not how you sign the log.

    Are you sure it was a fellow Geocacher?    Could it have been a muggle or an animal? 


    As for me I still can't think of any bad cachers.  

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  9. 2 hours ago, ByronForestPreserve said:

    Well, the problem was that they replaced the hide but didn't remove the old container, then deleted my log when I found their geotrash. 

    My comment was responding more to deleting a find because of the "I didn't have a pen" thing.    


    In your case I don't agree with having your find deleted.     I also think one smiley isn't worth the time and effort. 



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  10. 3 hours ago, ByronForestPreserve said:

    My area had a caching family banned several years ago. They put out very difficult caches and policed the heck out of them. I found a relatively easy one and got a message a couple days later: "We didn't see your name on the log and we think you didn't find it, we're going to remove your log." I replied by describing the find in detail, to which they said, "Oh, that was the OLD container. You didn't find the new one."  I sometimes wondered if micromanaging their cache logs was their full-time job. 


    I'm also convinced, but cannot prove, that they had bogus accounts to "find" caches that got NM or NA logs to make it look like the cache was in good shape. Actually, maybe someone proved it and that's why they were banned....

    I have no problem with someone following the guidelines to a T.    If you are a cache owner I'm sure you've had your share of "Didn't sign the log.   Forgot a pen".  I can't remember the last time I've forgotten a pen but if for some reason I didn't sign the log I wouldn't expect the cache owner to let it slide.   They have every right to delete my find and I'd double check my bag to make sure I had a couple of pens with me next time.      


    I consider myself a responsible cache owner but I can count on one finger the number of finds I've deleted. 


    I guess I'm just to darn trusting.  I could never be a judge (or reviewer).....everyone would be innocent.   



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  11. 1 hour ago, frostengel said:


    Geocachers are people so whatever makes people bad makes geocachers bad, too: bad manner when talking to you, don't caring for others stuff (e. g. caches by other owners), ..... long list!


    Or do you want to know what makes a cacher bad as cachers especially? I would make two lists here:


    1) Be a bad finder by ...

    - ... getting mystery and multi finals from online data bases or cheating in any other way.

    - ... not taking care for caches and stages (for example when putting the logbook back).

    - ... using copy and paste logs for each cache.

    In general: ... putting your own statistics (that's everything, of coruse) higher then the demands of the owners forgetting that these are the people who take time and money to just create th caches.


    2) Be a bad hider by ...

    - ... hiding uninteresting caches, mainly micro traditional caches in boring places.

    - ... not being any creative with their own caches (hide and listing). Look in your hidden profile and you see an example: seven caches which are absolutely the same.

    - ... being resistant to good advice (you don't have to to everything others suggest but think about it) especially when they have done something wrong.

    - ... don't maintaining their caches though several finds have told about a problem.



    - ... don't caring about environment, animals, people nearby, ...


    And there is much more but without exactly knowing what's your purpose with the question - posts like yours are what makes a bad forum user - that should be enough by now.

    You posted the topic and haven't replied at all - that's not how communication in the forum works. :-(



    I just can't get all worked up about all that.   All you can do about most of it is log your NM and move on.   The only thing I can really control is my own geocaches.   Lead by example and sooner or later people with notice.  


    I think you'd be better off if you'd stop obsessing about what others are doing (or not doing)  and concentrate on enjoying the experience.


    People choose to play the game all kinds of ways.   Why not just let them do that?     

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  12. I just started using my phone & the Geocaching App a couple of weeks ago.   So far no issues.   This came about because my Garmin Oregon 450 finally died.   It's the only GPS I've ever owned and I'd recommend it for any level of cacher.    I've seen used ones for around $150.00 and new ones for about $325.00.   Since your new to the activity I'd suggest you stick with the app,  at least for a while.   Some time down the line, if your still enjoying caching, think about a stand alone GPS.   I found my Oregon 450 especially handy when I decided I wanted to start hiding caches.  

  13. I'm lucky.  There are plenty of caches in my area I can find with the free account.    Some may argue that premium only caches are typically of higher quality and are maintained better.  I'm up in the air on that one.   I'd consider a premium membership if the number of them in my area was worth it.  


    I enjoy the hike and the locations so the quality of the cache (or lack of it) is secondary to me.   


    I have nothing against premium only caches but I myself would never hide one. 


    I choose to be a premium member as a way to support Geocaching in general.  

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  14. Challenges may be a good way to accomplish that.     I remember doing a cache called "The Motherload" which was a mystery cache.    It involved finding around 30 or 40 caches.  Each cache had an off set number in it pertaining to the missing east and west coords to the Motherload.   That was one of my favorite series of caches and although it tool a little time to finish,  I wound up with a bunch of finds and a boatload of memories.  


    The secret is to cache as long as your having fun.   If it becomes a chore,  put it down for a while and focus on maybe hiding a few of your own.   Cache ownership can be just as rewarding.   Good luck and stay safe.      

  15. 16 hours ago, Spudyr said:

    Haha... I hope to make it to the next 300! And yes... I’m starting to wonder if I’ll do this for the rest of my life... that would be a nice life!

    The beauty of this activity is you can put it down and pick it up any time you'd like.   For the past couple of years I've focused on maintaining my caches.  Just last week I found my first cache in over a year.   My intention was to grab a single cache in an area I frequent often.   Wound up traveling to a location close by and grabbing three more.  If I hadn't had things to do at home I'd probably still be out there.   It was nice to still get that same feeling after all that time.   

  16. 18 minutes ago, humboldt flier said:

    A number of years ago in N.W. California we had a cacher who hid "caches"".  >> check that >> he hid "GEO-TORTURE" would have been a more apt description.


         Those well conceived and well hidden maddeningly difficult caches were not considered caches at all.  They were called "GEO-TORTURE". and within the local community it was not uncommon to have posted six (6) or more DNF's prior to finding "the goods".  


         It was considered an honor to find more than twenty five (25) of cacher "XXXX's"  "Geo-Tortures".


         ***(in  twist of irony there was even greater honor in logging the tale of each and every search which ended in a DNF.***)


         Currently the "Cache Health Police" would be all over those caches like stink on a cow-pie.  


    Cacher "XXXX" would not have been the happiest of cache owners had the "Cache Health Police" been up and running during the "GEO-TORTURE" days















    I think today this would involve a conversation with your reviewer.   I can't say I know exactly how the health score works.   I think the system generates a generic e-mail making the owner aware of a potential issue when a cache score falls below a certain level.   From what I understand the system doesn't disable or archive caches,  reviewers do that.    To have a cache published you have to describe the hide as well as the container.   I'd think most reviewers seeing the title of the series along with the hide info will have a pretty good idea of how difficult the caches will be.  Also,  the difficulty and terrain rating will have to be accurate.  


     A little understanding between the hider and the reviewer regarding multiple DNF's should solve the problem.   You may not be able to avoid the automatic e-mail but the reviewer should be less inclined to disable the cache because of a bunch of DNF's.   That being said there should be an agreed upon number of DNF's that will trigger the owner to take a look.


    Having a bunch of tough or remote caches doesn't absolve the owner of some sort of maintenance plan.   This is one of those examples of when having other people help with maintenance would be beneficial.  


    Again if I'm wrong about how the cache score system works than all this is out the window.  


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