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Ticks, Snakes, and Crawly things, oh my!
Vinny & Sue Team replied to PJ-FredX-Tuck's topic in General geocaching topics
mmmmmm... yummy! yes! yes! yes! Thanks for bringing up the joys of unfolding spring! I LOVE ticks, mosquitoes, spiders, cave crickets, snakes ('specially venomous snakes!), and I never use any kind of insect repellent nor any other repellent or "protective" thingies, as they might alienate the cute friendly ticks, mosquitoes, flies, and spiders. Thank you for reminding me of the joys of spring! I am very lucky and very blessed, compared to many of you, as I live in the mountains of western Maryland, and thus our mosquitoes and/or ticks, in addition to carrying West Nile virus and the Lyme disease spirochete, also carry Babesiosis and Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, and our wild rodents and their fecal material also carry plague (Yersina spp.) and hantavirus! We are indeed blessed, and thus I make sure never to wear any insect repellent, so as to avoid accidentally rejecting the wonderful gifts of God and Mother Nature! . -
Very cute snake! Most excellent and esteemed cache guardian! Thanks for the photo and the tale!
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Caches Found by Non-Geocachers?
Vinny & Sue Team replied to geo climber's topic in General geocaching topics
I don't think "a find is a find". Intentionally searching for and locating a specific geocache is quite different than accidentally finding that same cache. Amazing! Congratulations are in order all around! Cheers! Bravo! The OP has managed to raise the bar in the ongoing "Finding inane and innocent everyday things that are also none of my business to worry about and complain about and then demand reforms" contest to a new high, a height totally unanticipated by any casual observer up till an hour ago! I offer my hearty congratulations! In fact, I am so shocked and surprised at the level of creativity and resourcefulness exhibited by the OP in inventing this utterly amazing "new thing to worry about" that I am feeling a bit off-center, that is, off-keel, due to the excitement of the moment, and thus I shall forthwith, as soon as I hit the "SEND" button for this post, retire to my laboratory, whereupon I shall quaff a one pint mugful of radioactive water (from my radioactive water dispenser) enriched with radon and radon progeny, and which exhibits a radiance of over 190,000 pCi/L, in order to calm my nerves and return my organism to a state of utter psychophysiological coherence and inner quiet. In fact, so great is the creativity and resourcefulness exhibited by the OP in discovering this long-ignored but extremely important issue that it strikes me that it is almost as if an occult hand had reached down from above and moved the players like pawns upon some giant chessboard. Will miracles never cease? I have, in retrospect, at a point an hour or so after having penned the note above, decided that I was likely in error in deciding that the OP had managed to raise the bar in the ongoing "Finding inane and innocent everyday things that are also none of my business to worry about and complain about and then demand reforms" contest to a new high. Rather, just as some members of this forum were "Rick-rolled" a couple of weeks ago by an April Fool's thread, I have realized that we (that is, any of us who have responded to this thread) have likely been "Sioneva-rolled" by this thread, that is, we have fallen victim to a sinister prank played out by Sioneva using one of her many sock puppet accounts. In other words, I now strongly suspect that the OP account is nothing more than a sock puppet account operated by Sioneva, who used the account to post what is effectively nothing more than a trolling thread, in an attempt to Sioneva-roll us! Tricky! But I ultimately figured it out! Sioneva, you have been busted! -
Caches Found by Non-Geocachers?
Vinny & Sue Team replied to geo climber's topic in General geocaching topics
I don't think "a find is a find". Intentionally searching for and locating a specific geocache is quite different than accidentally finding that same cache. Amazing! Congratulations are in order all around! Cheers! Bravo! The OP has managed to raise the bar in the ongoing "Finding inane and innocent everyday things that are also none of my business to worry about and complain about and then demand reforms" contest to a new high, a height totally unanticipated by any casual observer up till an hour ago! I offer my hearty congratulations! In fact, I am so shocked and surprised at the level of creativity and resourcefulness exhibited by the OP in inventing this utterly amazing "new thing to worry about" that I am feeling a bit off-center, that is, off-keel, due to the excitement of the moment, and thus I shall forthwith, as soon as I hit the "SEND" button for this post, retire to my laboratory, whereupon I shall quaff a one pint mugful of radioactive water (from my radioactive water dispenser) enriched with radon and radon progeny, and which exhibits a radiance of over 190,000 pCi/L, in order to calm my nerves and return my organism to a state of utter psychophysiological coherence and inner quiet. In fact, so great is the creativity and resourcefulness exhibited by the OP in discovering this long-ignored but extremely important issue that it strikes me that it is almost as if an occult hand had reached down from above and moved the players like pawns upon some giant chessboard. Will miracles never cease? -
Friends helping friends with an FTF
Vinny & Sue Team replied to TheMacMan's topic in General geocaching topics
OK, I'll pretend for a moment that you really can't grasp such a simple concept, and I'll spell it out for you: When you say "here" as in "right and wrong don't come into play here", I assume from the thread title that you are talking about the FTF race. Correct? You're not making some sort of sweeping statement about geocaching in general are you? In order for their to be "right and wrong" there must be some form of established order for comparison. In most games these would be referred to as "The Rules". When a question comes up regarding the rightness or wrongness of a particular action during a particular activity, someone whips out "The Rules" and makes a decision. With that in mind, can you tell me what "The Rules" say about the FTF race? No? That's right. We don't have rules. So, can you tell me what "The Guidelines" have to say about the FTF race? Eh? What's that? I can't hear you. Them dang crickets are making too much racket. You ask if Anarchy reigns. Perhaps it does? Unless, of course, you can provide a link detailing exactly what the rules for the FTF game are. If you cannot, then my version of the rules is every bit as valid as yours. A bit of Sociological trivia: Q ) An environment where one person's rules are as valid, (or invalid), as anyone else's would be defined as what? A ) _________________ (Hint: Rhymes with manarchy) Correction: FTF is part of the game you play. It's not part of the game everyone plays. It most certainly is NOT an officially sanctioned part of Geocaching. Since you seem to be confused on this issue, I've linked you some light reading that should help. Getting Started With Geocaching, Resources, Frequently Asked Questions A thorough read of those pages will demonstrate that Groundspeak has absolutely no rules, guidelines or even suggestions regarding how the FTF game is played. In fact, the only place I could find where the phrase FTF is mentioned at all is the Glossary of Terms. It says, "FTF First to Find. An acronym written by geocachers in physical cache logbooks or online when logging cache finds to denote being the first to find a new geocache." You'll note the glaring omital of post/pre/etc publication silliness. If you had been paying attention, you would've read several comments in this thread from folks who don't give two hoots about the whole FTF thing. Based solely on this, I would think your theory that "FTF is part of geocaching" holds little water. What a twist. If you ever tire of your current profession, might I suggest trying on politics? I think you have a natural talent for it. I would suggest though, that you sprinkle your doom & gloom diatribes with the phrase "It's for the Chilren <sic>" to maximize emotional effect. Or are you seriously trying to argue that someone claiming a FTF on a cache that hasn't been published yet is going to "ruin the game"? Do you honestly believe that, because Groundspeak has no rules regarding the whole FTF thing that there is no right or wrong in the game? Surely not. (Besides, it was proven many years ago, right here in these forums, that Snoogans will be the death of geocaching) If there IS NOT a competition for FTF, then the concept of fairness never enters into play, right? Just trying to use your logic. This is a key element here, so pay attention: The FTF game is one played by individuals. Each individual decides for themselves if they want to play. If I, as a cache hider, decide I don't want to play the FTF game, and I give my buddy the coords to the cache I just hid before hitting the publish button, I exist outside the whole "fair play" debate. If my buddy decides he doesn't want to play your particular version of the FTF game, and goes out to find my cache prior to publication, he is also outside the "fair play" debate. The notion of "fair play" can only exist when every single person is playing the exact same game, the exact same way, with the exact same resources. That's why marathon runners aren't allowed to drive to the finish line. It wouldn't be "fair". Well put! I agree with your comments and observations in each of your posts in this thread fully! Thank you for having taken the time to spell all that out. I just love it when folks, particularly disgruntled FTF-wannabes, sail in here and try to tell everyone else that various aspects of the game -- including particularly FTF -- must be played only according to their rules, and then, of course, in quick order, they invoke notions of "right" and "wrong" or "this is what God wants" to back up their demands for how the game should be played. Quite bizarre! -
Shhh...! but... yes... I am currently scouring Ebay and international market sites, buying up tons of old Singer sewing machines, and also old Kelvinator refrigerators and old Sears Kenmore top-loading washing machines (no, I cannot reveal the exact years and models, for obvious reasons....), because they contain small amounts of red mercury as well! And also certain old models of Lincoln arc welders, but I cannot give any more details here, for obvious reasons... I have heard, and mind you this is just a rumor, that some cheap ceramic novelties from China may contain trace amounts of...that element. Seems they use it in the green paints that the pieces are decorated with before firing. My sources suggest that it is most common in coffee mugs and candy dishes. In light of the number of PMs and private emails that I have received about this topic, and in light of the response on this thread, I have just started a separate thread devoted to the topic of red mercury found in caches, so that the topic of red mercury does not accidentally hijack this thread from its primary focus.
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Shhh...! but... yes... I am currently scouring Ebay and international market sites, buying up tons of old Singer sewing machines, and also old Kelvinator refrigerators and old Sears Kenmore top-loading washing machines (no, I cannot reveal the exact years and models, for obvious reasons....), because they contain small amounts of red mercury as well! And also certain old models of Lincoln arc welders, but I cannot give any more details here, for obvious reasons...
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Much the same here... About two or three years ago, there were some rather vague tales on the Groundspeak forum and on one or two regional forums in the US to the effect that a US cacher had left the keys and title for a car in very good condition (not sure if it was claimed to be new or used-and-in-good-shape) as an FTF prize in a cache. I have been unable to find the forum posts which referenced that tale in my searches of the Groundspeak forum and in my Google searches of the web. In fact, I suspect that it is this same tale/rumor that sparked the OPs question! Now, I once found a cache that was an old abandoned car in a forest, but I do not think that is the same thing! Ohh..... and I once found a few grams of the mysterious, exotic and expensive substance (worth about $1 million per gram) known as red mercury in a geocache in a remote area of the Ural Mountains in Russia, but that is another tale for another time! I am currently too busy purchasing old Singer sewing machines to have the time to properly tell the tale right now!
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Friends helping friends with an FTF
Vinny & Sue Team replied to TheMacMan's topic in General geocaching topics
Exactly! I agree 150%! Not only is Groundspeak just one of several listing services, there are also some private geocaches that are never published on any publicly-accessible geocache listing service, and rather, remain available only for members of a particular organization, such as members and friends of a Boy Scout or Girl Scout troop, staffers and students at a school, employees of a corporation, etcetera, and all such things are fine and harmless as well. And, there are plenty of regions, even within the USA, where the waypoint coordinates and info for caches which have been submitted to geocaching.com for publication are first posted (prior to publication at Groundspeak) on regional geocaching forums or distributed at geo events. This too is fine and harmless. So, the cache owner and her/his friend (the first finder) did nothing wrong, and the simple fact is that the OP did NOT score an FTF on the cache in question. Period. -
Scientists find largest cache ever!
Vinny & Sue Team replied to JamGuys's topic in General geocaching topics
Been there. Done that. Fun! -
I think it'd be more accurate to say, "It was about following the path that resulted in the least whining from the site", assuming of course that the volunteer reviewers would qualify as being part and parcel of what most would consider as "the site". As I understand the issue, this was done to make the reviewer's jobs easier, not to satisfy the whims of whiners. If satisfying whiners was Groundspeak's primary function, LPCs would've went away years ago. I don't agree with your characterization. In contrast to, say, keeping track of 37 different land manager regulations, it was always easy to review an ALR cache -- just slap a form letter on it, just like I do for caches too close to railroad tracks. It was the whining in response to that which made my volunteer life less fun. Ditto to listening to people complaining to me about their log being deleted because their picture wasn't exactly right, and asking me to mediate. The increasing volume of oddball ALR caches, and the whining which accompanied their review and publication, was beginning to approach the reviewer misery index reached by virtual caches in 2003. Remember... you all were seeing just the ALR's in the form in which they were published. Keystone, thank you for this insight, and I also thank Rivoveur for his earlier insights into the growing hassles of handling ALRS. I am kinda spoiled, because we live in Western MD, and in this region, we have (at least in the caches which have reached publication status) seen very little in the way of overly-weird or annoying or overly-demanding ALR caches, and we have also seen none of the agenda-type and hate-type ALRs that some of the other reviewers have mentioned. In fact, the ALRs in this region (and I am including nearby parts of PA, WV and VA) seem to have been very reasonable and rather well-received. However, it appears that this has not been the case in many other parts of the USA as well as in many other parts of the world, and so I can see why the category was finally largely terminated.
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Well, there ya go. I been psycho anal-ized Although your bias (i.e., blame government at all costs, no matter what the facts) was quite evident from the tone of your entire post, I did not need to engage in armchair deductions to come to that conclusion, and rather, I simply consulted the databases maintained by the CIA skunk ops division and by the Bavarian Illuminati -- both of them have extensive files on you, and your anti-government (and your dam* the facts if they get in the way attitude) bias is well documented in your files. Thank you for your interest in the matter and thank you for doing the needful!
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It's worth pointing out that the USFWS is the defacto source of more wildlife expertise than most states combined and I'd put their opinion over that of most self professed experts or at least opinionated Joe's such as myself. While the USFWS won't own the cave in most cases, they are the lead agency when it comes to wildlife including bats wherever they may be. By all means people should question them and make them earn their stripes, but if the answer is something a person doesn't want to hear it doesn't invalidate it or make that person right. Very well said... And, while it is eminently true that USFWS DOES employ a very large number of wildlife veterinarians and wildlife biologists, what makes this request by USFWS for a voluntary moratorium all the more interesting and persuasive is that the suggestion and push for this temporary voluntary moratorium did not originate solely with their own expert staffers, but rather, came from a broad array of wildlife veterinary, wildlife biology and cave biology experts from across the world. So, it can hardly be said -- as TAR has tried desperately to infer, likely due to his own personal issues with government and authority figures -- that this ban originated with mindless bureaucratic administrators within the USFWS. In fact, this voluntary moratorium has received wide support, even from within the National Speleological Society (aka NSS, of which I am a member) and other caving organizations. What I find somewhat bit disturbing regarding this whole request for a voluntary moratorium is the continuing and ongoing spectacle whereby I am seeing geocachers who plan to tackle Cavers Plunge Extreme in Kentucky in the near future offer up all sorts of specious self-serving arguments and lies via log notes in an attempt to support their publicly-stated decisions to visit that cave and find the cache within the next month. First, there is simply the matter that any discussions or debates about the matter do NOT belong on the cache listing page, but rather here on the forum, and, most importantly, several of the posters continue to post blatant lies and misstatements in order to support their decisions to visit the cave. Incidentally, as someone who is both a scientist and a long-term caver, my own personal opinion on the matter of the cause of the disease happens to be that the fungal infection seen on the noses of affected bats is merely a sign and symptom due to a largely opportunistic infection and that the real underlying cause of White Nose Syndrome is two-fold, and due to the following variables: systemic weakening and immune system dysfunction due to toxicity from insecticides (sprayed with increasing frequency over the East Coast over the past few years in an attempt to reduce mosquito populations responsible for spreading West Nile disease (and other lesser-known mosquito-borne diseases) systemic degeneration due to mild starvation of many bats largely due to reduced availability of insects as food, again due to aggressive spraying (see above for further details) in many areas of insecticides which kill mosquitoes and other insects normally eaten by bats. My opinion on this matter, as iterated above, is very similar to that of a number of experts in the field, and yet I still fully support the request by USFWS for a voluntary ban on entering caves and abandoned mines, because there is good reason to believe that one of the vectors for the spread of the fungi and other microorganisms responsible for the devastating secondary opportunistic infections seen in the affected bats is humans who visit caves. Please note that no one is claiming that humans are the only likely vector for the disease organisms, and rather, it appears that humans are simply one of several vectors. Thus, it appears that a temporary voluntary moratorium on entering caves and abandoned mines in the 17 listed states is a reasonable and sane short-term prophylactic measure until we can learn more about WNS disease in bats. Incidentally, as a final closing note, I must point out, in light of repeated efforts by some geocachers (via posters log notes on the cache page listed above and via PMs and private emails) to claim that Kentucky is not on the list, the reality is that KY is indeed on the list of 17 affected states. Period.
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Yes, I have several times seen puzzle caches and other types of caches -- all special types -- where two caches had starting waypoints that were located only a few feet from each other, and where that starting waypoint was merely a convenient reference point, such as the corner of a public-access parking lot in a park. Of course, in none of these cases were there any actual cache stages (other than virtual stages, which do not count) or cache containers within 528 feet of each other, and thus, any "conflict" would have been only apparent (rather than real) and only virtual.
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As is quite well-known on the forum and in the geo world, it is NOT necessary for the cache owner to lift the Premium member-only status of a cache in order to allow a non-PM to log a find for the cache online, and rather, there exist at least two back-door workarounds, well-described in hundreds of previous threads on this topic. Alternatively, the OP is free to upgrade to a Premium membership and in so doing, she/he will also derive immense satisfaction from knowing that they are helping to support the website and the service, and will derive even greater satisfaction in having found such an avenue which allows them to express their gratitude and appreciation to Groundspeak for this great site and service.
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I am so sorry... I know that it is generally believed to be unhealthy to feed the trolls, but I cannot resist the urge to be a bit cranky and spiteful toward this sock puppet troll on a gray and rainy Saturday morning.... it is almost as if an occult hand had reached down from above and moved me to write this post, much as if I were a pawn upon a giant chessboard. Okay, here goes: Your account appears, by all signs, to be a sock puppet account which someone created for the purpose of trolling, and your post appears to be a classic troll post. If you have only one find to your name, and you are a relative newbie to the site, how could you possibly have accrued enough data to come up with the statement "...a lot of members here are leaving for the other 2 caching sites". It is also interesting that you do not offer any data or facts to back up your claim. I vote sock puppet, and I vote troll.
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Folks, I have, in the past several days, been contacted by several geocachers who had been planning to hunt geocaches located in caves in the 17 affected states over the next month or so, and, in each case, they said or wrote comments much along the following lines, indicating that they were not planning on observing the moratorium; the following two quotes are typical of the several comments that I have received from geocachers since starting this thread: I have offered each correspondent much the same answer, and the following is what I offered to one of the questioners: The cave to which you are referring is located in Kentucky. Kentucky is indeed one of the 17 states affected and named in the USFWS request for a voluntary moratorium on visits to caves and abandoned mines. And, as is well-known in the caving world, it is not a matter of who owns the cave and whether USFWS has jurisdiction over the caves in question, as this is a polite request for a VOLUNTARY moratorium on visits to caves. As for your claim that bats have never been seen in the cave, well, how would you know, unless you had spent years surveying the cave (and, in any case, bats often roost in tiny crevices in caves, particularly in tiny branch tunnels which humans cannot enter)? And, it is also well known, according to the cache owner, who is a geologist, that the 100 foot pit cave involved is part of a much larger cave system, because folks standing at the bottom have reported that they often feel drafts and wind from some of the small tunnels branching off it. So, at the least, it is almost a certainty that bats enter some of those smaller tunnels, likely via small openings at the surface too small for a human to be able to use. So, bottom line is this: It is almost a certainty that the cave harbors some bats. Kentucky is indeed one of the states included on the list of 17 states in the notice from USFWS. Yes, it is true that USFWS likely does not own the cave, and therefore, as is true of 98% of the caves in those 17 states, USFWS does not have legal jurisdiction over that cave, and that is one of many reasons why the USFWS and other interested parties have politely ASKED folks (cavers, casual cave tourists, scientists and geocachers) to maintain a voluntary moratorium for now until the disease is better understood. The operative word here is voluntary No one is FORCING you to abstain from visiting the cave. Rather, the community of folks who visit caves (and this includes geocachers who own or hunt caches in caves or abandoned mines) is being asked to do so for a while until the mode of transmission of this bat disease is better-understood. Again, no one is forcing you -- whether you be an owner of a cache located in a cave or abandoned mine in one of those 17 states affected by the USFWS request or someone who is planning on hunting one of those caches in the near future -- but it might be wise to comply with the moratorium for a while until more is known. As an NSS member myself, I note that compliance with the moratorium seems to be quite high among members of the NSS and their friends and associates. There is another factor here to consider as well: There are some factions in the caving world, including within NSS, which is an official advisor to numerous federal agencies on cave policies, cave access and laws affecting caves and cave access, which have historically been rather wary of the idea of geocachers entering caves to hunt caches, and the practice has already been all but banned in several states in the USA (including Wyoming) due to such concerns. Thus, if a significant percentage of geocachers were to ignore this request from USFWs for a voluntary moratorium on entering caves and abandoned mines in the 17 affected states, it could easily earn geocaching a black eye -- or, as some would say, MORE of a black eye than it already has -- in the caving world, including with regulatory authorities who make laws regarding cave access. In my case, the sole geocache which I own which has a stage located in a significant cave is Psycho Urban Cache #14, and, even though that cave is very small and under 170 feet in length, I have decided to temporarily disable the cache for a while; I have been fully supported in that decision by the local geocachers who also happen to be cavers. Along with some of my geocacher friends who are also cavers, I am a bit astounded that it appears so far that very few owners of other caches located in caves (or abandoned mines) in those 17 states have chosen to temporarily disable their caches, and it is also a bit interesting to me that Groundspeak administrators and/or reviewers have not issued a statement urging geocachers to comply with the moratorium. In closing, I am certainly not trying to tell you what to do; I can merely suggest to you -- as a fellow geocacher who also has been a long-term caver since 1974 and who belongs to NSS -- what might be the most prudent path to take. The final choice over your behaviors is yours alone. In my own case, a** you can tell from my first two posts in this thread, I pondered long and hard before deciding to disable my own cave cache, due particularly to the fact that the cave in question is very small and also the fact that is regularly visited by "townies" in their teens and twenties, who use it as a "party cave", and who are certain not to observe any moratorium, even if they had heard of it! I hope this helps to clarify the situation a bit for those who have asked and for those who have stated that they plan on visiting cave caches located in those states anyway. .
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Major Announcement Re Psycho Urban Cache #13
Vinny & Sue Team replied to Vinny & Sue Team's topic in Northeast
I am very disappointed at your post. You know, and have known, darn well that none of us are allowed to talk about that phenomenon, that is, the wormhole portal (Alpha 6 type), in public. Because of your gross and fragrant, I mean, flagrant violation of the rule, I was forced yesterday to report the content of your very unwise written communique to the Interdimensional Transport Council. You may wish to steel yourself, I mean, prepare yourself for a 3 AM visit from the Men In Black. In retaliation for your transgression, the Council has all but decided to commandeer the somewhat rusted steel lattice TV antenna tower located on the northern side of your garage for use as a 24-hour-per-day portal for reptoid reptilians arriving on our earth from alternate dimensional worlds. They send their apologies in advance about the noise and intense flashes of light that will occur throughout the day and night as the portal field alternately expands and then quenches, and also about the alien reptoid reptilians that will end up queuing up on your front lawn. Thank you in advance for complying with the needful. . -
Major Announcement Re Psycho Urban Cache #13
Vinny & Sue Team replied to Vinny & Sue Team's topic in Northeast
Yes, it is illegal, as ANY activity that might distract the eagles could have the undesirable effect of reducing the amount of damage done by the eagles to the climbers, and then the amount of highly-desirable blood, gore and screaming would be reduced and that would be a very bad thing, from the viewpoint of maximum visual effect for the cameras. -
What's twitter? The link you provide is blocked here at work. They say Twitter is a "social networking" site. Something about messaging people a lot i think. I don't get it. What Twitter -- often hailed as one of the Web 2.0 pioneers -- seems to be all about is this: It allows you to send a text-only message of up to 140 characters in length (not much for an intelligent and intelligible conversation, believe me...) to everyone else on Twitter (or on Facebook or other linked sites, if you have Twitter set up to update Facebook) who is "following" your Twitter account about what you are doing or thinking at that moment. Thus, it is an invaluable tool for letting the world know any and all of the following: the fact that you are urinating the fact that you just farted and that it feels like more are on the way the fact that you are defecating that you feel that you are having an existential crisis that you are having a bad hair day the fact that you feel depressed today; as one of my Twitter friends recently wrote: "Sam xxxx is out of order today." the fact that you are bored at work and are tempted to quit your job the fact that you hate one of your co-workers, the grossly overweight one with the tacky tattoos who drenches herself with cheap perfume that smells like cheap laundry soap. the fact a relatively famous person (name included) just checked into your medical clinic with a severe illness (such a disclosure is a felony violation of the HIPAA Act privacy provisions, and such a disclosure almost got one of my Twitter friends in very big trouble with the feds....) the fact that you are feeling suicidal today (I see such posts fairly regularly on Twitter, BrightKite, Kwippy and and Facebook from some of my urban twenty-something female friends) that fact that you are at a trendy nightclub in Brooklyn NY with a hottie tattooed apathetic pouty punkgirl star from the Burning Angel site (one of my female friends regularly posts such things on Twitter and other Web 2.0 websites) the fact that it is 9 PM and you are drunk and everything seems hopeless the fact that you have been taken back to the 24-hour behavioral care residential facility for an extended stay because of your bizarre antics while being held at the police station the incredibly interesting fact that you just broke up with your new boyfriend/girlfriend/donkeyfriend/goatfriend of 14 hours the fact that you have a massive crush on a hot woman at work and want to have a hot lesbian affair with her (a day after the above item) the fact that you now hate your hot female coworker, and in fact, hate all other women (other than yourself, that is) because said hottie coworker rejected your advances and you are now feeling kinda suicidal as well the fact that your commercial jetliner just ditched (i.e., made an emergency landing) in the Hudson River the fact that you have just learned that you are an unindicted co-conspirator the fact that you have just been indicted for 50 felony crimes the fact that the FBI just called you and is insisting that you drop everything and meet with them within the next hour because you have suddenly become a prime "person of interest" in an investigation that is so volatile that they cannot name it on commercial phone lines the fact that Obama's cabinet team has just contacted you and asked if you would consider becoming the new Secretary of the Treasury the fact that a co-worker has just offered you $50 to do a contract killing on her husband the fact that your naturopathic practitioner, psychic, chiropractor and psychiatrist all agree that you suffer from "hijacked amygdala" syndrome the fact that you cannot quite make your car payment this month and have thusly decided to put an ad on Criaigslist selling yourself the fact that you cannot quite make the rent payment this month and thus have decided to sell your soul on Ebay the fact that you cannot quite make the rent payment this month and thus have decided to sell your 4-year old child on Ebay or Craigslist the fact that you have realized that you are being stalked by Sioneva the fact that the billionaire heiress 24-year old raw vegan girl with long black hair and blue eyes with estates in San Diego/Miami/White Plains/Boston and who goes by the names Laurie/Lauren/Stephanie/Carol/Annelda is stalking you again the fact that the billionaire heiress raw vegan 24-year-old stalker girl with estates in San Diego/Miami/White Plains/Boston is once again trying to have you subpoenaed to try to get you to testify to a federal judge in Miami that she really IS being harassed by renegade outlaw maverick private detectives in the employ of the Vatican and the Bilderberg Cabal. the fact that the billionaire heiress raw vegan stalker girl has just sent you an uninvited but very cute nude picture via email and now you are sooo tempted to forget your principles and to forget your instincts of self-preservation and to instead succumb to her psychotic demands that you spend the rest of your life with her the fact that you have just discovered that your Twitter follower named "Tattooed Psycho Cannibal Cheerleader Chick from Hell" is/was really your mom using a pseudonymous identity so that she could keep tabs on you. the fact that your psycho ex-girlfriend -- who is still one of your Twitter followers -- has, unbeknownst to you, set up an RSS feed so that all of your Twitter posts have, for the past six months, been sent straight to her paid adspace on the Fark website. the fact that you have just gotten a phone call from the free clinic in Canarsie informing you that the cute tattooed Brooklyn punkgirl from the Burning Angel site with whom you had that wonderful date two months ago gave you HIV, hepatitis B, hepatitis C, hepatitis D, hepatitis E, hepatitis F, hepatitis G, drug-resistant tuberculosis, five drug-resistant variants of bacterial STDs and six strains of HPV the incredibly sad fact that your wife and all five of your girlfriends have told you that they will be very angry with you if you go on that one week trip to Belize next month with that hottie supermodel from Brazil who has a crush on you ...sigh!
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I think the MySpaces and FaceBooks are already the third ring of hell. Now we need a means to tell everyone everytime you pick your nose or find a cache? Here come the attack dogs.. I always smile when I encounter this post, because I believe that this is about the only time that I have ever agreed with anything that the author has said on this forum!
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I must say that even though I am very disappointed that ALL ALRs were effectively disabled, carte blanche, and though I would love to see at least some ALRs re-instated under a separate ALR category, I am floored by, and extremely disappointed by, a number of the pro-ALR arguments offered by some of the pro-ALR posters in this thread and the related thread -- many of these folks who have been complaining show a serious disconnect from reality and display a serious sense of self-entitlement as well. Quite amazing!
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I have been watching this thread spiral into thirteen pages and over 600 posts, and I feel that it is time to step in here and proffer a few solemn observations in an effort to quench some of the hyperbole: This action of outlawing ALRs on the part of Groundspeak admins means that geocatching hates chinldren. Next, I must compare this recent harsh and unreasonable action to the acts of Hitler and his Nazi party during World War Two. All I can say is that Hitler would have approved mightily of the outlawing of ALRs, because he loved to deprive people of their freedoms and their rights. Finally, I must note somberly, if a bit morosely and with some degree of morbidity, the following: the proliferation of lame urban micros was the first sign of the Beginning of the End of Days. the proliferation of numbers caching was the second sign of the same. the recent action by Groundspeak admins in outlawing ALRs is the third and final sign of the Beginning of the End of Days. in light of the facts iterated in the above three billeted items, it is only a matter of time before we shall witness the Six Horsemen of the Apocalypse thundering out of the western skies, and then we will know that we have only a few days left. Sad. Very sad. But it is simply true that Satan has hated ALRs from the start, and that he clearly targeted ALRs as one of his worst enemies, and that he used underhanded means (a lifetime supply of Chemical X for Signal the Frog, among other things) to get Groundspeak admins to outlaw ALRs. Satan is now sitting in Hades, gloating and preening himself gleefully, for he knows that he has won this battle.
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Almost as if guided by an occult hand which has moved events much like pawns upon some giant chessboard, I am briefly resurrecting this thread after a one-week dormancy because.... it has come to my attention that this thread, albeit about rudeness on forum threads here, is lacking at least two elements that would be needed to qualify it as a true and real thread on forum rudeness, and so, here goes, so that this thread may henceforth be included in the Forum Rudeness Thread Hall of Fame: First, to satisfy the of Geolclatching Hates Chinldren law: You know, rude people on these forums must really hate chinldren, else they would not say the nasty things that they do, because they know that chinldren read these forums and these kinda things hurt chilndren. Next, to satisfy Godwin's Law: It strikes me that Hitler and his top lieutenants would have loved this thread, and they would also have loved forum rudeness. Next, to satisfy Benford's Law: ...ohh... never mind....
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Yes, public safety and our overall impact on the environment will force the issue. And don't forget the children. A child could be turned to the dark side by a DNF. Geolclatching hates chlindren anyway. That has already been established by an expert in a previous thread/post. Sad but true.