BrownMule & Jackrabbit

I would ask for a meeting as was suggested. There may be more to their decision. I read where they said that they could not "allow you to place your geocache there." Not sure what they meant by "There". Maybe the specific area is sensitive for one reason or the other and they did not articulate their reason very well and there may be an alternate location that would be better. Worth a try.

Currently own. Garmin GPSMaps 176 Garmin GPSmap 76S Garmin GSP V Garmin Etrex Legend (2 of them) Garmin Streetpilot III Don't ask me why. I don't know why. I see, I like, I buy. By the way the first unit I bought was the Legend and I still think it's the best overall for Geocaching of those named above. The one I dislike the most is the 76S because you have to hold the unit almost vertical to get proper reception.

Wow! I'm going camping with my buddies, we are all camping in hedberg's yard. Of course we will respect his privacy by camping 300 meters from his front door. HA HA. Just kidding Hedberg. I wish things were that simple in the U.S.

Yeper I've been using ieSpell for a year now and it works great.!

quote:Originally posted by LooneyTunes: My frustration lies in the fact that I have had three bad experiences with getting caches posted lately. The reason for that is probably because someone hopes to profit from it. My opinion is that this kind of thing is a community and no one should be seeking to profit from it. That's just my opinion. To put it another way... an alternative here would be for the geocaching database to be open and distributed. That way, people could use it however they wanted, post whatever kinds of caches they wanted, get their caches from multiple sources, with different angles (Traditional-only, educational/historical-only, for kids, good maps, good PDA downloads, etc.), and the technical resource burden would be spread across multiple entities. But then no one could try to profit from it... Looneytunes I know sometimes it's frustrating not to have things go the way you think they should but put yourself in gc.com's positon and you may feel differently. Also I'm not sure why you think no one should be profiting from this. If no one should be profiting from this, then who mandated that someone drain their own pockets to provide all this? I geocache, I enjoy this site, I feel good about paying my share and I have never had a cache denied. That's not to say I won't one day but I can say my relationship with the site has been extrememly positive. As far as rules go. I assure you that those sites without rules will get bit in the ars one day and then they will quickly have rules to live by. Just my opinion. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

quote:Originally posted by BrownMule: quote:Originally posted by Renegade Knight: quote:Originally posted by BrownMule:...The text under your avatar is aprapos with your advice.... Oh come now BrownMule. As a land manager you might have the best advice yet if you choose to give it! I think I just did give the "best advice" as have many others who respect and obey the law. It's really a no brainer. against the law to trespass on Railroad property = don't do it. _ _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers. _ http://img.Groundspeak.com/cache/15777_2200.gif _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

quote:Originally posted by Renegade Knight: quote:Originally posted by BrownMule:...The text under your avatar is aprapos with your advice.... Oh come now BrownMule. As a land manager you might have the best advice yet if you choose to give it! I think I just did give the "best advice" as have many others who respect and obey the law. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

This is still a common problem with the etrex line as far as I know. You can try getting a new one but it is easily fixed by bending the battery connections outward into the battery compartment making the batteries fit tighter. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

quote:Originally posted by Lerch:Just plant the cache....Some people worry too much and for them they can either find a way around the tracks or find another cache. The rest of us can use the head that God gave us to find a safe place to cross and continue to look for the cache. As for trespassing... unless your near a rail yard the RR cops wont bust your chops. lighten up a little and you'll live longer people! The text under your avatar is aprapos with your advice. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

Don't markwell me because I know there are 100 threads on this subject. I keep hearing that the log-in problem is fixed. I continue to have log-in problems. I'm using one computer and one browser (IE6). I check remember me in the forums and every time I go to the site I am directed to the log-in page again. Even after a few minutes of being away. I have the proper settings in IE to accept cookies and have no problems with other sites. So if there is something I am doing wrong please help me to do it right. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

If you can create the map pages in 6 days you will be in mighty good company. He spent the first six days developing his creation and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

quote:Originally posted by donbadabon: Some pages force you to listen to crappy music http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=3908 while reading the page. Is there anyway to "opt out" so to speak, to avoid having this music forced upon us? don I like the music myself. Two of my cache pages have sound. To each their own. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

dito with everybody else this constant log-in thing ain't a good thing. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

quote:Originally posted by Prime Suspect: quote:Originally posted by BloenCustoms: Wal Mart online has Mapsource TOPO for less than 90 dollars. It's an old version, but the update to 5.0 is free on the Garmin site. That update is only for the MapSource interface program, not the TOPO map data. _ As far as I know, there hasn't been any updates to the Map data. At least since 3.0 and there probably won't be for a while. That is according to what I was told by Garmin. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

I think it's a great idea and one I will use. Never thought about it before. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

Throw the mule in the stew also please sir. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

quote:Originally posted by geopug:I placed a cache in a state park; in the cache description I stated that it was in a new state park facility. My cache was archived by the reviewer with an explanation that caches on a state park must have approval from the park manager. I talked to the manager and he had no problem with it, especially since I promised to visit it weekly (I ride my mountain bike around the trail 3 or 4 times/wk) and I also included some CITO containers with trash bags to encourage people to keep things clean. Some people on the forum seem to think you should not ask permission, just keep your mouth shut and do it. Do you also then feel you should be vague in your description of the cache, not admit it is on state park land when you submit it for approval? Yep you will find that in your state cache hiding in state parks will get easier and easier now that there is an official policy allowing geocaching in state parks. By the way the park manager at the park you hid the cache in is a swell guy and a personal friend. I'll hunt your cache the next time I'm down that way. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

quote:Originally posted by BrianSnat:That's exactly the problem with many agencies. In my state I know for a fact that the state parks dept knows about our sport. I deal with them frequently. They realize that the sport has relatively little impact and choose to look the other way. They'll address problem caches on a case-by-case basis. They have bigger clams to fry (dumpers, illegal ATV'ers, poachers, etc...) and also because they also know that if it goes to a state level, there will be environmental impact studies, meetings, lawyers, etc... I'm just dreading the day that some well meaning new geocacher comes along and demands their official sanction for the placement of a cache. I hate to hear that about your state. In my state it took very little time for the state Park agency to come up with a very geocache friendly policy that covers all stae parks. This was possible because the impact studies were already done when the property was purchased so park managers already know the sections of the park that can handle activities like geocaching. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

With the exception of the seance, that's pretty much what takes place prior to any facility or activity being permitted in all State and National Parks. These things are required by congress and most of the states. These studies and surveys are usually done shortly after the property comes under public management so every area is pre-evaluated and signatured for types of activities and development that is allowed. That's why I say that the NPS is taking the easy way out. They should already know what parks and the areas in the parks where Geocaching could be allowed on their parks. They just choose to not be bothered with it. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

quote:Originally posted by BrianSnat:No, I was referring specifically to national parks. If I included all public lands, I could easily have added 20, or 30 more high impact activities to the list. You are absolutely right. If you are just referring to the NPS, I agree with you that they are being way too one sided on this. There are areas suitable on NPS property to Geocache and their total ban of the sport is ridiculous in my book. Even though I am a pretty hard core Tree Hugger, I realize that the NPS ban is taking the easy way out to not be bothered with us Geocachers. I would prefer that they consider Geocaches on a park by park and location by location basis rather than just totally ban the sport for their convenience. I do still stick by my statement that these "High impact activities" are done in approved and well thought out areas of the individual parks though as should geocahing be. I am definitely for allowing geocaching in the parks I just think that we should understand that the cache placement should be as controlled as the placement of hiking trails, campgrounds, tennis courts, biking trails, grazing pastures, and the 20 or 30 other activities you mention. When you come to a park to hike, you hike on the hiking trails that were placed where and how they are for a reason, camping the same way. If this is the analogy we are taking, then if you can't camp anywhere you want to in the park, why should we think we can Geocache anywhere we want to? Same thing with fishing and swimming, some areas it’s allowed some areas it’s not. All these restrictions are for a reason, not to arbitrarily prohibit an activity. My theory is that we (Geocachers) will further our sport faster once we accept and work within these guidelines just as others such as fisherman and hikers and hunters perform their activities in approved locations. Now what would be nice is that one day as Geocaching grows, we would see approved geocahing sites posted in parks with specific guidelines. Then geocaching would have equal respect and consideration as other resource based activities. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers. [This message was edited by BrownMule on July 16, 2003 at 04:22 PM.]

quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by BrianSnat: Then why do they allow camping, horse packing, grazing livestock, snowmobiling and similar high impact activities? Why do they build roads, parking lots and concession stands if the goal is to limit visitor impact? ______________________________________________ The problem here is that you are lumping all public lands together. Public lands are managed by numerous agencies including Federal, State, Local and Non Profit agencies. Each agency has a land management philosophy that is usually set by their governing board. For the state agencies that would be their state legislature for Local parks the County or City Commissions and the Feds would be governed by federal law and policy. Now that being said, some lands are grazed because they were purchased for that purpose. Some BLM properties allow grazing; these lands usually possess little or no environmental concerns or have no species of special concern on them. Roads and facilities are built in parks to allow for public access only after proper environmental impact studies and where biologist and planners work together to rout roads and build facilities in areas of least impact on water resources and native species either flora or fauna. Parks have a hard mission to accomplish because they have a responsibility to protect the environment and to also provide public recreation. They call this balancing protection of the resource with the demand for use. One way this is done is to regulate resource based recreational uses in the parks (such as Geocaching). Requiring permission to hide a cache is their way of making sure we don't create foot traffic in known environmentally sensitive areas. Areas the layperson can not recognize. Placement of facilities is designed for minimal impact on natural and cultural resources by intentionally routing traffic around these areas. We need to place our caches in the same manner for the same reason and the only way we can do that is to find out from the parks were these areas are and to get permission to hide in the proper spot. Most parks have at least a “level one” archaeological survey done to identify the cultural resources on site and all public lands are required to have approved management plans that include a complete plant, animal and natural communities index. Most are also required to have regular resource management audits to make sure things like off trail traffic and visitor use patterns are not negatively affecting the parks resources. So believe me there is much more to managing natural areas than most people realize. Land management agencies try hard to balance the demand for use of our parks with the protection of our resources and I for one don’t think that I have a right to do anything on any public land that is not specifically allowed and in the manner that it is allowed because I want to be able to enjoy them for the rest of my life and I want my kids and their kids to enjoy them in the same pristine condition that I experienced them. If I knew that I wasn’t going to trample over an Indian Midden or trample over a sensitive plant or invade the territory of an endangered animal, I might not worry so much about walking off the trail. How do I know if I don’t ask? My 2 Cents. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

I use my GPSr for numerous land management responsibilities. such as location of Wildfires, property boundaries, locating and marking nesting areas for endangered species (Bald Eagles). etc. The GPSr is my main tool when in the field. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

I have that same problem and more and I am only using one machine. I log on once and then I am redirected to the log in page again. This problem has been around on and off for months. I hope it gets fixed soon. I first thought it was my browser settings but its not. Does anyone know what the problem might be? _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

Part of the fun is learning from your mistakes. Glad you enjoyed your first hunt and hope you have many more. _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.

I guess we'll have to log in twice each time we come here from now on and be redirected to the log-in page. Everytime I try to log-in it's a different quirk. OH Well! _________________________________________________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers.