Mopar, no one wants to see uncontrolled prolification of junk caches, of any kind, traditional, virtual, etc. The point is, the fear of too many junk virtuals is throwing the wheat out with the chaff. You said it yourself, "...it meant not submitting one I've made several long distance trips to work out." There was probably nothing junk about your virtual cache idea, but no one will get to enjoy it as you intended. I'm saying that not everyone likes the same things, yet there is still lots we have in common. GC.com needs to loosen up and let the game evolve to embrace a wider range of tastes, while maintaining high standards. There is such a thing as a good virtual, just like there are junk traditionals. We should strive for the "good" regardless of type.