Hula Bum

It's funny how when people have nothing really to say they just come out with some snarky over the top drawn out thing about mountains or witches. I welcome all to actually post what if ANY standards there should be, otherwise I will assume that those with the above type comments are of the "we should lift all rules and be able to make and track a coin with ANYTHING on it" group.

Robert, you are correct, it took a little time to work through it all and verbalize what I was really curious about, but the reason I was "stunned" was because GS let the design go through, I was not stunned or surprised by the design itself. It really is how this got through and many others haven't. It's the lack of consistent standards that I have issue with. Rifleman, you need to understand that this is not about "me", I don't need to do anything, and your name is not the issue here, names aren't approved by TPTB. I carry a gun, I have a pocket knife in my backpack, heck sometimes we even take a flask on a cache. Those are all my personal choices and I am not putting any of them in caches because not only would that be not very smart, it's against the rules. As to Woletrap's "anything goes" philosophy, thank you for your stand, as I see it things like a coin(please keep in mind I am not necessarily talking about this coin), can be damaging or hurtful even if they are not "real".

Sadly, it looks like TPTB need to require it all upfront....

And vodka coins don't get people drunk, but you're not allowed to put a bottle in a cache. So as long as it's not the real thing, it's ok?

No ax to grind, just don't like the inconsistency and it just all goes to the directions coins have been headed and are heading. edit grammer

Nope, never had a design rejected. I would provide examples, but you see, if it was rejected it is not allowed to be talked about here, so that makes the example thing kinda hard. Those who are involved in coins, know of the coins I speak.

So, what is your opinion, you've had lots to say and yet nothing. I really am curious *and hence why I started this thread* as to where people stand on the issue and at what point, if ever, is the line crossed?

LFD, it's been too long, you are too funny!

It is because the title and the icon are part of the standard.

Thank you Tokos for staying focused here. What is over the top (in your opinion of course, which you are entitled to as long as I agree with it ) Just kidding! I think it's pretty hard to get a sense of "limits" in a forum setting. I can tell you where I think they should be but I'm pretty sure many folks would not agree - as already expresses a number of times here. So most people will tend to avoid getting involved in discussions like this. What you end up with a vocal minority (no offense to anyone in the thread) and not necessarily a real picture of the 'masses'. Maybe if you had started the thread without mention of the coin in question, you would have got the response you were looking for. The addition of the coin has made it the focus and I'm guessing that wasn't your intent..just an example. So after that rambling and to stay on topic, I do believe we are seeing the limits being pushed but I'm not sure it is over the top...yet.

I must say it's very nice to see so many new faces in this thread, people are coming out of the woodwork to partake!

And even with the coin name and cherry icon you still saw an innocent coin? Without infliction in the written word it's hard to tell, but that as a true question. OK, I am one who is guilty of looking at this coin only, for this discussion. I apologize. I think someone would first have to SEE it to find the hidden meaning. I am not involved in the geocoin design approval process, but if I were, that one would have slipped right by me. When I googled "Rorschach" before, to check my spelling of it, I looked into the link that came up. It showed the original inkblots used for the test. Plate I: I saw winged wolves dancing to the Polka. Plate II: I saw a couple of geese in tall caps, high five-ing each other, while dancing the Polka. Plate III: A couple of skeletons cooking over a cauldron, almost dancing a Polka. Plate IV: A stargazing cowboy on a Harley, heading my way of course...... etc... You get my drift? I didn't see any of the things "they" say they might represent, which is all sexual. So, if something is hidden inside the drawing of something else, you would have to be aware of it to see it. Many people in this thread didn't see it until it was brought up. I'm still not sure I see anything that even vaguely resembles the female anatomy. So, now, this coin has already been in production and this comes out. It's too late to close the barn door now. Whoever does the approving would have had to know there was a hidden meaning in the design. If they had known, perhaps changes might have been made. Since it came up after the fact, perhaps the best that could be done, at this late date, was to change the name and the icon. I use myself as a "prude/not-prude" litmus test for this kind of thing. If it offends me, it will probably offend most sensibly-minded people. This one, until it was pointed out, did not offend me, and after it was pointed out, I still don't feel offended by it, because I don't see it outright. I doubt a child would ever figure it out. And I doubt that maybe 7 out of 10 people will see it either. <edit for grammar>

TPTB are the ones who set the standards, if there are to be any, pushing the limits and sneaking things into designs is a newer thing, and the question is, where does the masses think the limits should be set (see my above post).

It was in no way meant to be a complaint thread. It wasn't meant to be a "do you see it" thread either, people seem to get hung up on this because they aren't able to actually address the question at hand... If you feel that GS should allow be anything goes, then state it. If you think they should allow anything that's not illegal in too many states, then state it, if you think that it should all be rated G, then state it, but get off the other tangents and get back to the topic. Actually, I don't think this thread was meant to be a complaint department. I think it was started to address this very idea. What are the standards, what would be grounds for revsions or flat out rejection?

LOL, Oh I have a whole slew of them, but those have been on IM as they are most def. not family friendly, or maybe they are! Don't give him any ideas for a second coin in the series.

I personally like swiss army knives, but my point that you missed obviously, is that if they are forbidden from being used as swag, why are they allowed to be made into a trackable coin? You don't need to put any weight on my opinion, what does that have to do with anything anyways? Well, If you think there's anything wrong with the depiction of a Swiss Army Knife, then I guess that tells me a little about how much weight I should put on your opinion of the matter. Give me a BREAK, All dipictions of sun and stars and any fire shouldn't be allowed either!! Get a clue.

The SALES may go up, no worries, I'm more curious about people's thoughts on the topic at hand, which some people seem to be having a real hard time focusing on. Any thoughts on the topic at hand?

No personal beef here, heck, I didn't even know who made the coin until 2 pages in (yes, I was dumb and didn't bother to read the page, but at least my view wasn't skewed because of it). AGAIN, really don't care about the design, I just don't understand why certain things get approved and others don't, I've seen other stuff get shot down by GS that wasn't this obvious. And, to my knowledge the icon and name were approved by GS, it wasn't until later that they were changed, so they didn't catch any of it on their own.

Your avitar relates to a culture with a very strong tradition of playing the field before marriage. It seems that you and Kelia identify with the culture (not sure about the one aspect of it). Fair enough. Why would you be offended by the inuendo in a coin that a kid woudln't get when the culture you portray... Fill in the blanks, and no I'm not talking the nudity. We were all born naked. Modesty is a learned trait. Huh? First of all, you have no idea what you're talking about, second of all you have no idea what you're talking about. And third of all, it has nothing to do with this coin or the issue at hand, which for me as I have already stated is about GS approving the design and where it heads from here.

Like a moth to a flame....

man, did it again!

Yes, because I didn't know about the icon and name until AFTER I saw the design. Perhaps if it wasn't written on the coin it would have taken more time. The name and icon were just icing on the cake.

I'm really not worried about children here, my issue is that Groundspeak approved it and what is next? I have long felt that Vodka bottles and swiss army knives were not apporpriate coins to be trackable either being that they are not allowed in a cache because they're not "family" friendly. This is just one more step towards "anything goes" as long as we get our fees. My next coin (and I can copy the artwork of the GPS and hand on the back of this coin)-Stroke the GPS right and it will point you right to the Cache......

system hiccup

Please, keep this on topic, My avatar is of a culture you know nothing about and is not at topic here. There are a lot of people in here agreeing on something, and a lot of these people RARELY, if EVER agree, that in itself says something!