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mobywv

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  1. We certainly play the game differently, though I do evolve slowly sometimes. I think Micro's suk. I used to actually avoid them totally. I still won't hide them, but I have come around to finding them. I was originally totally against the Favorites implementation idea. I didn't think the caches I like would be very well represented, but I really have not bothered to verify that. If that makes me selfish, fine. I can live with it. I also think they are awarded much to freely. 10 percent is a joke. If it was half of that or less, it could mean more to me. Some cachers proudly announce that they award Favorites for each of their FTF's. You expect me to take a system that allows that seriously? Out of curiosity I did look at Favorites briefly when they were new. I'm sure it's been more than a year since I looked last. I have never targeted a cache search based on Favorites, but I do reserve the right to change my mind some day. Favorites are not the only facet of the game I do not embrace. I don't log Virtuals, Events, or Webcams. I don't consider myself an overly prolific cache finder. My milestones are my business, not yours. And you can take every Challenge ever created and find a place where the sun doesn't shine to put them. I don't have any interest in trackables either. At it's core, we do play a common game. But there are many different side interests, and I ignore most of them. Favorites is just one more thing to ignore. The one and only to date Favorite point I awarded was a special case of a cache someone had called a waste of time. I didn't agree. Hey, if you want to be a somewhat grumpy cacher, that's certainly your prerogative. As for cachers giving out a favorite votes for a FTF, it doesn't mean jack squat in the long run. Rest assured, in most cases, the cream of the crop will have a hell of a lot more favorite votes than one. Not to mention the fact, as I previously pointed out, the favorite vote percentages are WAY more important than the raw vote count. YES, I know older cachers won't be around 85%, but if I see an OLD cache with over 25%, I'll still know it's a pretty darn good cache. It's certainly not too hard to take the date of the cache into consideration when crunching the favorite vote numbers/percentages. I do appreciate you sharing your point of view. And while it's none of my business, I do hope you enjoy your next milestone. Happy caching.
  2. And I think it is selfish to be judgmental toward those who view parts of this game different than you. I award favorites to a few caches, but it is really not my place to judge those that never do. For what ever reason they have for not doing so. This seems borderline pot and kettle. I happen to view the favorite points differently than the OP. Rather than award I give the caches I like the most, I see the favorites a quick way to share with the geocaching community which caches I like. Anyone can look at my favorite and get a list of caches I like. They may be able to use my list in conjunction with other people's lists to find caches they might like. I guess one of the definitions of selfish I learned in kindergarten was someone who doesn't share. In this respect I can agree that someone who never gives a favorite is in someway being a little selfish. On the other hand, someone may be reluctant or even embarrassed to share her personal preference with a large group of people she doesn't know. I have to admire the OP's willingness to admit that he likes micros. Oh, I AGREE favorite votes are GREAT way for recommending caches to other cachers. But come on man, don't you also feel good when you award a CO who has hidden a fantastic geocache? Ya know, don't you just get that warm lil fuzzy feeling deep down inside? There are just so many incredible geocaches out there I never would have known about if it wasn't for favorite votes. I know for me that the the implementation of favorite vote system has undoubtedly been the best change made to this site since I've been here. As for the micros, yeah... that's just how I roll, son.
  3. My original intent of this thread was to perhaps discover why a statistically significant number of premium members don't EVER award favorite points. Why? Because I couldn't imagine why a person would NEVER want to award a cacher for hiding a GREAT cache. ONE guy in this thread actually admitted to not awarding favorites and explained his reasoning. I didn't really agree with the reasoning, but I appreciated him responding. It wasn't my intent to attack these people, but just to understand them. But since this thread ended up going all over the place, I'll tell you what I think. I believe it's selfish to NEVER award favorite votes, particularly when you're one of those guys with thousands and thousands of cache finds and ZERO hides. Try giving a little back to the game, eh? Seriously, is awarding a SINGLE favorite vote too much to ask? Or will checking that little box take up too much time? How would you feel, prolific cache finder, if nobody ever recognized your milestones or challenges? Not so good, huh? By the way, I like micros. Actually, love em. You hear me? LOVE EM! As a matter of fact, I'm gonna go hide one right now. SEE YA!
  4. And technically I participated in the lottery even though I didn't buy a ticket, because it increases your chances of winning. P.S. I have a Geocoin to mark those really special caches. It don't get around much. Mind blown!
  5. Just wanted to add one more thing to my earlier response to this. I know if a caching buddy of mine got annoyed and gave me a hard time about not giving his cache a favorite vote, then he really wasn't much of a friend to begin with. Grow up and stop being a chicken IMO. How many caches have you actually found where you actually know the owner? It's probably a low percentage. But because you're scared of your caching buddy's wrath, you choose not to award favorite votes and penalize other cachers? Somebody mentioned something about being weak earlier? Grow a spine and award those votes to deserving caches! **this is not directed at you specifically, lamracke. Just speaking in general** Right about here is where the discussion completely skids off the rails. How so? Please enlighten me. Was just having a little fun there. If people don't want to risk annoying their friends, that is his or her choice. If people don't want to give out votes, that's his or her choice. I was just trying to find out the reasoning behind it. I've actually quite enjoyed this thread so far.
  6. How would that work with the older caches that folks didn't backlog on ? In our area, there's many that never got favorites added when they became available, but have mostly favorable logs. You'd miss good caches due to lack of favorite "points"? Point taken. Personally, I focus more on the percentages for the newer caches than the older ones. The current favorite vote system is definitely not a perfect, but I don't think that means one should just blow it off. Indeed, it "still" is quite helpful to most cachers even if flawed.
  7. Just wanted to add one more thing to my earlier response to this. I know if a caching buddy of mine got annoyed and gave me a hard time about not giving his cache a favorite vote, then he really wasn't much of a friend to begin with. Grow up and stop being a chicken IMO. How many caches have you actually found where you actually know the owner? It's probably a low percentage. But because you're scared of your caching buddy's wrath, you choose not to award favorite votes and penalize other cachers? Somebody mentioned something about being weak earlier? Grow a spine and award those votes to deserving caches! **this is not directed at you specifically, lamracke. Just speaking in general**
  8. AZ, First off, thanks for adding to the discussion. So you don't like the system and choose to protest it by not giving out votes? I get that. That decision does has a a negative effect on cache owners, though. You may not be awarding votes, but you are still altering favorite vote percentages for each cache you find in a negative way. So in reality, I'd argue you're still technically participating in the favorite vote system even though you're trying not to. Make sense? And in my opinion, the percentages are often more valuable to a cacher to look at than the raw numbers. For example, if I see a cache with 20 votes and 10% favorites and one with 10 votes and 90% favorites, I'm going to go after the latter.
  9. Wow, that actually makes a lot of sense. Good reply. Thank you.
  10. Because it's not a requirement? Cachers can do almost whatever they wish. The only thing required here is that if you wish to log a find on-line, you are required to sign the log book. (Yes. That's what I said, Toz.) Anything else if optional. How many people have signed your log book without logging on-line? There are quite a number of cachers who do this. (The sad thing is people who move trackables without logging them. But that is not a requirement. Common sense? The right thing to do?) The neo social interconnection phenonema is relatively new. Not all of us are into the FacePlant society. No. I am not connected 26 hours a day. I consider that bizarre! Almost nine years in this hobby, with over 4400 finds, I have gone back and awarded Favorite Points to a lot of caches that I loved. This is an entirely different situation than awarding favvorite points on cache that you have found recently. Yeah. I still have over a hundred that I have not awarded. At best, Favorites is a whimsical concept. Hey. I awarded two favorites today because there were cows nearby! Yes. I can be whimsical. But, as noted previously, it is not a requirement to award favorite points. Some people are not into the FacePlant society. What's it to you, and why do you find it a problem. I think that's the major problem here: Why do you find it a problem??? It's not a requirement to award favorite points. You are most certainly correctly in that. However, why wouldn't you want to award cache owners who put out fantastic caches? I'm just trying to understand the rationale here. You don't need to use ALL your votes. I was just referring in my original post to folks that NEVER award ANY votes. If the favorite vote system is overly complicated or perhaps foreign, maybe something could be done to make the process easier for folks to figure out? Or if people don't want to award favorite votes, perhaps they could opt out of the system so their finds don't affect a cache's favorite vote percentage. Finally, what exactly does this topic have to do with FaceBook? Seriously, just because a guy still uses a typewriter and has been caching since the early days doesn't mean he can't award favorite votes. That's right, young whipper snapper. Back in my day we had to go through bookmark Lists to find the best of the best! Favorite votes? BAH HUMBUG!
  11. Yes! This is more of a Wednesday topic. It's refreshing to see it on a Sunday. OK, how bout we talk about how micros suck and are ruining the game?
  12. One thing I just noticed today, with my 4 newest caches, is since they're all the same kind of thing -- though each hidden slightly different and each decorated differently, they're basically a "set" -- that if someone Favorites one, I don't know how they'd choose one over the others. So you may wish to save extra Favorite Points just in case you find a bunch of identically cool ones and can't decide. If they were all quality hides, I'd give all of them a favorite vote if I had votes at my disposal. Unfortunately, I don't have that luxury. So I'd probably end up just giving one a favorite. There was a fairly long cache series I did awhile ago. Excellent series with a bonus cache. I ended up just giving the bonus a favorite to sort of award the whole series. Best I could do. I like to award cache owners that hide good caches. Happy cache owners hide more caches.
  13. How did you compile that? I'm sure it's true, but I've never tried to count that. It does seem to be a Facebook thing -- a Like. Maybe people aren't all that into Liking things. I only have 53 Favorite Points, and currently have a balance of 3. If I Liked as many caches as possible (and I guess I have), it would be only one in ten. So it looks like I only Like 53 caches, but that's all I can Like. Sorry. I don't know who does or does not award Favorite Points. I don't require or request them or ask why people aren't. But I'm amazed and honored and humbled when someone puts them on my caches. Significant was probably an overstatement. My apologies. Probably more like 10-15%. I spend some time analyzing different stats on here. Typically people that never leaves favorites have 1) never hidden a cache themselves or 2)have thousands and thousands of finds and/or have been in the game for a very long time. In the latter case, I suppose it could be a chore going through thousands of finds to pin point the favorites, but even in those cases, I think some caches should stick out. And yes, I never ask for or request a favorite either. And I'm greatly appreciative when I get one. I'm just curious why some people never choose to award them. This has nothing to do with me. Trust me, I'm overwhelmed at some of the positive feedback I've received on a couple of my caches. Like I said in another post, I just felt like discussing something different on here.
  14. Not really sure what's up with the hostility. I get tired of seeing the same topics discussed on here all the time. You know... crappy swag, lame TFTC logs, LPC hate. So I figured I'd try a different topic. It doesn't require Sherlock Holmes to find a cacher's favorite list. Click on a person's profile. That's one click. Click on the list tab. That's two clicks. His or her favorite vote list then pop ups. I sometimes look at these lists. If I see a cache favorited by a certain fellow, I'll know it's a definite winner. I find these lists to actually be quite helpful in deciding what caches to go for, as I'm a guy with limited time when it comes to caching. I'm not mad or raging over this. I just thought it was a topic worthy of discussion. I apologize if some don't see it that way. **shrugs**
  15. 1) I have a hard time believing that they don't know about favorite votes. We're talking about premium members here. The blue box with the votes is not exactly hidden, regardless of if you use the site or the app. 2) Favorite votes may not accurately reflect the caching experience if you just go by just the raw number, but the percentages tends to be more accurate. Of course, if you're one of those folks that never leave favorite votes, you're screwing with the percentages. 3) Yes, folks take caching too seriously. But I don't see why someone wouldn't want to reward somebody for putting out an incredible cache. I only have one favorite vote at my disposal. I like to give people favorite votes for quality caches. Those guys that brag about having 1000s of favorite votes available but refuse to use em? I just don't get that...
  16. I've noticed there are a significant number of premium cachers out there that don't ever award favorite points/votes. It can be the best cache in the world and yet they still won't do it. Is there some reason for this? If you really enjoyed the cache, is it really that hard to click that little favorite vote box? How bout you try letting other folks know that you enjoyed the cache, so they will want to give it a shot too? Most people other than the CO won't ever read your log, but they'll see that nice lil blue box with a number in it. Now, if you're ultra picky, and rarely award favorite votes that is fine. I'm specifically referring to the folks that don't reward any at all. Have a good day
  17. I've had one of these containers out in the field for a little over year. It has kept the water out so far. It has a foam rubber seal, so I'm not sure how long it will last. I have a smaller lock n lock inside the box though, so it wouldn't be a huge deal if it did leak. One bonus with a lot of these type of containers is that they can be locked.
  18. I actually assumed this was the bumping of that old thread. Not sure why the poster feels the need to thump her chest for reporting a cache. Who knows how the hole got there? Can you actually prove the cache owner dug it? Oh, so you read through all the old logs to try to figure it out. That's what we call being a cache cop.
  19. I dealt with a somewhat similar dilemna one time. I had chosen a cache for a milestone and made a long trip out to get it. After searching ground zero for awhile, I realized the cache itself and log book were gone. Indeed, the only thing remaining was a plastic bag with swag and some business cards. I debated whether or not to sign one of the cards and count it as a find, especially since I did not want to make a return trip to the area. But in the end, I decided to post a DNF. Now if an actual log book had been present, I probably would have signed it and taken credit for the find.
  20. Cache police is not a term that should be used loosely. Reporting caches that clearly violate the guidelines and have the potential to get the activity banned, does not make one the cache police. It makes them responsible geocachers. So tell me how a cache nailed to a tree will get the activity banned when the cache owner got explicit permission from the landowner to do so. I'm all ears. A new geocacher finds a cache nailed to a tree. New cacher wants to place a cache, and based on the experience of finding a cache nailed to a tree, goes to the nearby town park and nails a container to a tree. A town maintenance worker encounters the container and notifies that town park manager that a container labeled as a geocache was nailed to a tree in a town park. Town park manager decides that geocachers are irresponsible and bans geocaching from all town parks. Then there's the actual guideline: 4. Geocache placements do not damage, deface or destroy public or private property. "Caches are placed so that the surrounding environment, whether natural or human-made, is safe from intentional or unintentional harm. Property must not be damaged or altered to provide a hiding place, clue, or means of logging a find." The guideline does not say that it's okay to damage or alter a tree if explicit permission has been given by the property owner. So how is it that fire tacks are allowed for night caches? Cause tacks might not be as bad as nails, but I'm sure they can't be good. If Groundspeak wanted there to be no objects nailed or forced into trees, why not just come out and say it?
  21. It's this attitude that also makes it hard for cachers to want to report violations. As you see there are many here who support me on the issue. It's the bury your head in the sand or ignoring the guidelines is what hurts the geocaching community. I am not ignoring it or burying my head. I am just trying to avoid cachers who behave like you. Avoid cachers who behave like me? You're the one who indirectly called out the cache owner on the forums. That was real classy on your part. By another cacher the CO has been told to stop what he is doing. So how am I calling him out? And why are you defending violations of guidelines Listen, I've looked at your profile, you've found a lot of caches and equally impressive to me is that you maintain all your hides. You're obviously an asset to the community. I was just giving my point of view. I meant no offense. I've seen plenty of caches that break the guidelines. Unless I'm threatened by a landowner or there are clearly marked NO TRESPASSING signs, I won't make a big stink about it. The notable exception would be something stupid like a cache buried in the Walmart parking lot. But if it's just a minor violation aka nail in tree, I'll personally let it slide and the majority of other folks from my experience will as well. In your particular situation, I guess the area was park property? Perhaps I would report that. Where does it end, though? Should all LPCs be reported in your book because they lack permission? How bout sprinkler head caches? They are 'partially' buried. That's against the guidelines. no? Just my two cents.
  22. It's this attitude that also makes it hard for cachers to want to report violations. As you see there are many here who support me on the issue. It's the bury your head in the sand or ignoring the guidelines is what hurts the geocaching community. I am not ignoring it or burying my head. I am just trying to avoid cachers who behave like you. Avoid cachers who behave like me? You're the one who indirectly called out the cache owner on the forums. That was real classy on your part.
  23. Pointless change. I do like the wrench, though.
  24. Cache police is not a term that should be used loosely. Reporting caches that clearly violate the guidelines and have the potential to get the activity banned, does not make one the cache police. It makes them responsible geocachers. So tell me how a cache nailed to a tree will get the activity banned when the cache owner got explicit permission from the landowner to do so. I'm all ears.
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