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  1. The new challenge checker is in place now, so the task is a little harder.

     

    In the spirit of trying to make it easier, I created a series of bookmarks which contain all the Charter Member active caches.  It only goes through caches that were published through mid-October.

     

    This was somewhat of a daunting task and I'm sure it's not perfect.  I will say that I do not intend to update it frequently, or at all as caches become archived, transferred to new owners, or new one published.  Hopefully it will help with finding Charter Member caches since I believe these should be able to be turned into pocket queries?

     

    I only made them shareable for the time being, so if there are comments and/or feedback, let me know before they are published as Public.  I figured this forum topic was a good place to start.

     

    https://coord.info/BMBP0GM

    https://coord.info/BMBP0J4

    https://coord.info/BMBP0MT

    https://coord.info/BMBP0ND

    https://coord.info/BMBP2BN

    https://coord.info/BMBP0K3

    https://coord.info/BMBP0M6

    https://coord.info/BMBP2JX

    https://coord.info/BMBP2MB

    https://coord.info/BMBP2HT

    https://coord.info/BMBP2MG

    https://coord.info/BMBP2NF

    https://coord.info/BMBP2NN

    https://coord.info/BMBP2QD

     

    I know it's a lot to wade through.  I tried to make it as regional as possible, but there was overflow beyond the 1000 cache limit in some cases so I either split it up by year or stuck them in the catch all is "Everything Else" which includes most of the rest of the world as well.

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  2. I just updated the Bookmark list. 

     

    https://www.geocaching.com/plan/lists/BM2DVKX?sort=name&sortOrder=asc&skip=0&take=500

     

    Lost 64 and gained 4 from what I had before.  Shot a note to Project-GC to see what the process is to request to update the checker.  Looking at the code, it seems like it could be as easy as copying a new list in, but it sounds like it would run faster with Cacher ID #s?

     

    Given some of the changes, I may need to get busy to get back up to 50 myself...

  3. 14 hours ago, The Leprechauns said:

     

    I own a Bigcall Challenge in Pittsburgh, and I've been telling people "not to worry" if someone on the list was no longer a Charter Member.  I guess one of the reasons why this type of challenge cache is no longer allowed is because it's a moving target, as Charter Members revert to Basic membership over time.  So, if the verification checker is changed, there will be people who get upset.

     

    But, if you do go through with it, I would love for the challenge checker to provide a list of which Charter Members have been found, so that people can mark their progress, in addition to the list of Charter Members they haven't found.  Also, Geocaching HQ should not be an eligible Charter Member for purposes of a Bigcall Challenge.

    I'm not sure how to grandfather that in other than not updating it? Perhaps a solution is for anyone working on it to document their current progress before the updates go into effect?

     

    I went through the new spreadsheet (gotta love Power Pivot) and there are only 286 Charter Members with active caches, so if someone were to start today it would be even harder.  I will ask the checker folks about changing the output slightly since I agree with you, that sort of information would be very useful.

     

    BTW, Geocaching HQ is no longer on the list.

  4. I just finished updating the bookmark list - it was a semi-painful process, but I believe it matches up with Moun10Bike's spreadsheet now:

     

    https://www.geocaching.com/plan/lists/BM2DVKX?sort=name&sortOrder=asc&skip=0&take=500

     

    There were quite a number of changes, mostly subtractions as noted, but several additions as well.

     

    I left off Geocaching HQ and for some reason could not add CherokeeThree (I think it's due to their having only 3 archived event caches to choose from?)

     

    I checked a couple of the Project-GC checkers and they appear to be in need of an update now as well as fizzymagic's GSAK macros.

     

    I'm not sure how to get the ball rolling on those...

  5. My issue got resolved. Whew.

     

    Do we get to choose which of our caches appears on the list?

     

    My methodology was to pick the cache with the most opportunity for a found log. I suppose it might be better to pick the one with the most logs? Since I was going off on my own I just picked the oldest, so in your case it would be Ker-Splash. I don't have a problem with adding one you want to the list though - just let me know.

     

    I have two Challenge caches in the queue awaiting approval - one requires 13 different Charter Member finds (easier depending on your location), the other requires 50 (harder).

     

    I was a little surprised at how many Charter Members didn't have active caches or any cache at all (and therefore are not in my bookmark list). I suspect that the actual number to choose from will be a good deal smaller than the 491 - maybe that's why I'm stalled at 281 now (282 with fizzymagic)?

     

    Interesting. If I could chose one of mine to be representative of my list, I guess I'd go with "Yellowstone - Shoshone Nickname". It's the oldest virtual cache in Yellowstone National Park, and since I'm now living and working in the park, just seems a better one to be my "list cache".

     

    Thanks,

     

    Mac

     

    Mac

     

    Took me a while, but I changed it on my bookmark list

  6.  

    On a side note,,, i was just thinking that it would be cool if you, maybe someone else with your approval, came up a background image for use on BCC pages. B)

     

    I would be happy to use something like that - I'm probably not best qualified to create such an image though.

  7. Two questions:

     

    First--this doesn't show up using the macro (I have 92 caches/51 different members), but it is owned by a Charter Member:

    GC4005

     

    Anyone else have an example like that?

     

    Second--the adoption bit is confusing me.

    GC1D

     

    This cache seems to show up tons of lists, the owner is Annie!, but that Charter Member isn't the hider. She adopted it. So ownership is all that matters? This cache does come up in the micro list under Annie!, but in my actual GSAK tab for the 92 caches that qualified, it came up as Jim Gooch. Actually--there were 2 or three that came up that way. GizmoGuy from NW Ohio showed up in the list of owners generated by the macro, but is not listed as an owner of the cache in my actual GSAK tab.

     

    ETA: Perhaps the tab in GSAK is for who placed it--

     

    Thanks for any info you can give--

     

    Regarding GC4005. Texas-Jacksons didn't show up on Moun10Bike's spreadsheet (see post #109) and my slogs through various caches to find Charter Members didn't catch them either. Not sure if they were a "late" addition due to admin, but they just didn't show up at that point in time. I'll add them to my bookmark list now though.

     

    As far as adoptions go, the intent was to make it easy to administer. Deciphering the original cache placer is sometimes not that easy to do so I opted for the easy way and let adopted caches count. I'm not sure when Annie! adopted GC1D, but I know that I have been the caretaker for GC175 for nearly 12 years so I think there's something to be said for ownership. Plus, in most cases there are multiple caches these Charter Members have placed that would also qualify.

     

    The GSAK macro goes by the Owner ID # (a column that can be shown in GSAK) which is a somewhat better indicator than the owner name.

     

    Hope that helps with any confusion?

  8. I have a question about this challenge. As I understand the challenge guidelines, previously finds can be applied to the completion of a challenge cache. Therefore, any any old finds on caches that were owned by a PM and have been archived should count. Further, any caches that were owned by a PM should count regardless of whether that person is still a PM (or even caching any longer). Is this correct?

     

    Since no has chimed in a week. Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that new Challenge have to allow, (the underlined), under the newest guidelines. Older challenges rules are grandfathered in.

     

    I guess I have not checked back in on this in a while...

     

    I can't speak for all of the variants, but at least in my version of the Challenge all previous finds count, archived or not. However, in order to make tracking easier, the cache in question must list the Charter Member as the owner. This stipulation causes some confusion especially in the case of adopted caches, but generally if you find/found a cache and the owner is currently listed as being a Charter Member, it would count - I believe Fizzy's Macro checks this via the owner ID #.

     

    Now if someone used to be a Charter Member and is no longer in that category, they would no longer be identified as such and therefore their caches wouldn't count towards the total. I know of a couple of cases where administrative issues caused the lapse and it was allowed to be reverted.

  9. I think that this challenge is going to get even more difficult. One of our reviewers notified us that he had lost Charter Membership. In checking on his account, I see that we have dropped to 431 total Charter Members, down significantly from last week even. I suspect that recent changes in the membership service are causing unexpected loss of Charter status. I have notified our engineering team that something appears to be amiss.

    431 matches my number on the bookmark list - good to know they synch up. Not sure how easy it will be to keep track of it in the future though?

  10. Nice job to bigcall and fizzy. A "bigcall" challenge looks to be interesting for sure!

     

    Since you asked Briansnat, i thought i'd chime in and say that i would like to see the cache under my named changed. I actually adopted Turkey Creek South (GC3AC0), so it's not technically one that i put out myself.

     

    My first ever cache placed was Boggy Creek Bonanza (GC5378). It's in an area that i feel won't be compromised by area growth and one that i plan on keeping going for as long as possible.

     

    Thanks again!

     

    Btw, using the macro, i have only found 10 Charter Members' caches. Looks like i have my work cut out for me...

    Done!

  11. I'm officially declaring rights to the Bigcall Challenge in Washington State! :) (or should that be bigcall challenge?)

     

    bigcall, would it be useful if I updated the spreadsheet to include archived caches as well?

     

    FYI, there are some "extra" accounts (a reviewer, a current and former Groundspeak employee, and the HQ account) on the Charter list that are not really charter. These are accounts simply had their status changed in the database as a perk of the workplace (there's your solution to becoming a Charter Member, Roman! ;)). The last "true" Charter Member in the list is ID = 106426.

     

    I think I have most of them just by going through the owner ID #'s manually, but it would help to double check my work.

  12. Hopefully I can get some more feedback like this so that my list highlights the owner's favorites not just the oldest one that I arbitrarily picked

    My two oldest caches are adopted. Schenley 1, which is on the list for me, was adopted over to me by Jeremy himself way back in 2002.

     

    I would much prefer listing the first cache that I hid myself: Elves in the Forest, hidden 8/1/2002 and still active. I remember feeling guilty at the time because my cache was so close to the parking lot. Nowadays you can find three other caches between the parking lot and my cache.

     

    Besides, all the caches I've hidden have the word "Elves" somewhere in the cache name, and I know that will enrage Fizzymagic. :ph34r:

    I went ahead and changed it to Elves - sorry Fizzy.

     

    Trying to add more CM's with only archived caches to match up with Moun10Bike's list

  13. OK, so we have the macro working. It seems to be working properly.

    I learned some neat stuff that GSAK can do that I never knew before.

    The macro worked great; thank you for letting me test it, and for your time in putting it together.

     

    But a couple of issues have come up:

     

    • Geocaching HQ is listed as a Charter Member. Is that in the spirit of what we want to do here? I can see both sides of this issue and I don't have a particularly strong opinion.
    • If you're a Charter Member and have adopted any caches you found before adopting, your name appears on the list.
    • The macro only works on caches marked Found in the GSAK database. Do we want a version to work on unfound caches?
    • The macro automatically applies a filter to your database to show only caches owned by charter members. How do I call attention to that fact?

    I wouldn't want Geocaching HQ to "count" in any challenge based on Charter Members. This could be taken care of by the qualifying rules for any challenge cache based on this concept. (I am thinking of copying the idea here in Pennsylvania, and would certainly name it the "Bigcall Challenge.")

     

    My adopted caches don't bother me and I can exclude finds on my own caches easily enough when calculating compliance with any challenge cache's requirements.

     

    I *LOVE* the filter! I was enjoying the list in my browser and was wishing for a filtered list of all the caches summarized in the list. I tabbed back over to GSAK and BOOM! there it was. Smart people will see it. You can also call out this feature in the GSAK macro library once this macro goes "official."

     

    Among the people I've had test it, bthomas is the current champion with finds for 92 charter members. Wow.

    Wow indeed! My total of 52 charter members (including finds on caches I adopted, and finds on Geocaching HQ caches) is a bit more mainstream. I continue to believe that 50 charter members is a good qualifying number for any challenge cache based on this concept. It will still require some travel, I bet, as the remaining charter members are scattered all over the place. There are 20 states represented among my cache finds that were hidden by charter members.

    I ran a rough test based on the entire list and found 15 Charter Members with caches within 100mi of me (Northern VA), so my 13 Challenge was doable. I had 51 in my list that included several that are now archived over my wanderings for the past 12 years. With this newfound knowledge and moderate effort, I think I could add another 25 easily. Getting up to say 100 would require Jasmer-like planning over a few years.

     

    Leprechauns, thanks for the thought - I would be honored!

  14. Bigcall - Your challenge idea sounds pretty cool. If you could change my representative cache in your list to Turntable, I'd be grateful. Much as I love being represented by Geocache (GCD), Washington's oldest active cache, I adopted it. Turntable is truly mine, one of my most Favorited, and representative of most of my caches - scenic and/or historic. :D

     

    Moun10Bike and fizzymagic - you guys rock, as always. B)

    Done!

     

    Hopefully I can get some more feedback like this so that my list highlights the owner's favorites not just the oldest one that I arbitrarily picked

  15. The current number of charter members now stands at 477 (hopefully the ones who dropped haven't been hit by whatever bug caused the problem for fizzy). Of those, 384 have hidden a geocache.

     

    I pulled the complete list of these caches from the database and posted the results as a Google Doc here. Please let me know if you have trouble accessing it.

     

    OK, everyone: the list has currently active caches from 383 charter members. I'm not sure why my number is one off from Moun10Bike's.

     

    That means that there are 93 or 94 current charter members with no active caches. They may have had active caches in the past, though, so if you have been around for a while seeing if you qualify for bigcall's challenge might be a little more difficult.

     

    I'm working on a GSAK macro for this.

     

    FYI, I just updated the spreadsheet to include cache owner IDs. SQL is still giving me a count of 384 distinct charter member owners.

    That will greatly help with GSAK I'm sure!

     

    I just finished updating the bookmark list, I have 405 total (407 in the list, but I'm in there 3 times since I added the Charter Member Challenge Caches to it). My list includes those Charter Members that I was able to find manually that only have archived caches. I haven't done much QA to it yet so I would still call it a work in progress.

  16. I have 20+ Charter Members on my current list who only have archived caches. I've come across at least another 10 with no caches listed. I'm sure there are more of each variety out there.

     

    Fizzy, thanks for the work on the macro - I think it will be invaluable given the comments I've received.

     

    I did get a question essentially about if one could freeze their list in time so that a current Charter Member cache could count even if it lost it's "status" in the future? I'm leaning towards allowing this via a post or bookmark list - thoughts?

  17. Thanks so much, Moun10Bike! The only thing that would make it better would be cacher IDs or guids, but I think I can work around that. You've done plenty!

     

    bigcall, you can download the sheet as an Excel file or a csv list. Since this one is probably not going to be live, I think that is a better option than linking to the Google doc.

     

    Already on it and making nice use of the Excel filter function - up to 320 so far on the bookmark list.

  18. My issue got resolved. Whew.

     

    Do we get to choose which of our caches appears on the list?

     

    My methodology was to pick the cache with the most opportunity for a found log. I suppose it might be better to pick the one with the most logs? Since I was going off on my own I just picked the oldest, so in your case it would be Ker-Splash. I don't have a problem with adding one you want to the list though - just let me know.

     

    I have two Challenge caches in the queue awaiting approval - one requires 13 different Charter Member finds (easier depending on your location), the other requires 50 (harder).

     

    I was a little surprised at how many Charter Members didn't have active caches or any cache at all (and therefore are not in my bookmark list). I suspect that the actual number to choose from will be a good deal smaller than the 491 - maybe that's why I'm stalled at 281 now (282 with fizzymagic)?

     

    The one you picked for me isn't particularly popular. It's a long hike for the average cacher so most of the finds seem to be from Boy Scouts coming from the nearby Boy Scout camp.

     

    Which would you like to change it to?

  19. The current number of charter members now stands at 477 (hopefully the ones who dropped haven't been hit by whatever bug caused the problem for fizzy). Of those, 384 have hidden a geocache.

     

    I pulled the complete list of these caches from the database and posted the results as a Google Doc here. Please let me know if you have trouble accessing it.

     

    Thanks Moun10Bike! I'm having some issues with my old browser getting it to completely load up, but I'll update my bookmark list when I can. Will that link work indefinitely since I may want to include it on the cache pages? It's obviously more complete than what I have since I'm only picking one cache per Charter Member.

     

    Two Caches are now published:

    Charter Member Challenge - A Baker's Dozen and The Nifty Fifty

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