TheManFromU.N.C.L.E.

I hear you on this. The I phone 4 uses (Assisted GPS) which means first there is a receiver antenna chip that receives at least 1 satellite signal. then there is a server that in lay terms triangulates and uses current cell tower locations and locks your position faster than a normal satellite only receiver. I have noticed on my iphone 4 that I receive coordinates that can vary greatly depending on the surroundings. I find the Iphone 4 useful but I rely on my Oregon 450 that receives 12 satellite signals and I use the Iphone 4 as back up and sometimes in conjunction with the Oregon when I am on the hunt. I am not a satellite expert but did read a little. U.N.C.L.E. United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement

Here is a couple of cents. I am running with an Oregon 450 since last June. I am very happy with it. I didn't think spending extra for a built in camera; (which is so so) would be worth it. Especially, I either have an IPhone4 already on me or a real camera. When caching some times I have the Oregon and 450 running. The compass thing for the Iphone I am still a bit disappointed in though. If I was buying today I would still go with the 450. Its rugged and compact. I dont want to drop the Iphone4. U.N.C.L.E. United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement

I just received the Geocache flashlight from Groundspeak. Keychain size, waterproof and bright. United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

This I don't get. FTF is a statement of fact, it's not something to be awarded. There are two possibilities. You either found the cache first or you didn't. It doesn't matter what the cache owner or anybody else says. Agreed, that the fact of FTF is a consequence of finding it first and signing first spot on the log. Aside from the times true FTF's are sometimes logged on the back of a middle page in the log to deceive others. Really, only the cache owner is in a position to examine the log to see which it is. I don't care which it is, like many aspects of Geocaching, I simply don't try hard to play. Get one, fine, not get one also fine. I see that in the online logs... there are two cachers logged ahead of the high count cacher. Both on the 29th and the h/c claims a find on the 30th but logged on the 1st. Middle of the night can confuse dates easily, so the accuracy isn't there either... wonder what the 2nd logger would say about the sequence? Games with vague rules don't exactly turn me on. People can play or not... IF they can figure out what they are playing. Doug 7rxc I will say this. Since it was so late at night; I reviewed the front and back of the strip of paper log because I was so excited about being first. No other log was entered but mine. I was really glad no one else had signed. Thanks again everyone. United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

This I don't get. FTF is a statement of fact, it's not something to be awarded. There are two possibilities. You either found the cache first or you didn't. It doesn't matter what the cache owner or anybody else says. As the Moderator; do you suggest I remove my electronic log stating FTF? I can also go out and find the Cache and correct the paper log. United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

I am glad you joined. United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

Could be the need to update firmware and reboot. I actually re-installed firmware and the unit responded much better. maybe a glitch. Go to Garmin.com and update firmware/re-install. I love my unit. Sincerely, United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

Ditto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love my Garmin Oregon 450. Sincerely, United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

I have the Oregon 450. I load up a lot of queries. Start up and maps seem fine. I con't compare but I am happy. Keep pretty new batteries in though. United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

First you can download a 450 one by one from the list of Caches directly to your GPS 450. Second do the query. look at the preview. Then be sure to schedule the query. After the query down load the zip file form one of 2 different locations. The query page or your emailed version. Mover the file to your Garmin unit. I hope I helped clearly enough. I do own the Garmin Oregon 450. Sincerely, United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

Additionally if you are new to this unit. Be sure to register at Garmin.com and keep your firmware up to date. United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

I will say this. When I logged the web page; I posted the time also. Thank you United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E. What... with that cheap old watch of yours? That never has kept the correct time. What makes you think it did that night? No watch here. Just the iphone 4 time along with my Garmin Oregon 450 United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

I will say this. When I logged the web page; I posted the time also. Thank you United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

Is this a brand new Unit? First you can download a 450 one by one from the list of Caches directly to your GPS 450. Second do the query. look at the preview. Then be sure to schedule the query. After the query down load the zip file form one of 2 different locations. The query page or your emailed version. Mover the file to your Garmin unit. I hope I helped clearly enough. I do own the Garmin Oregon 450. Sincerely, United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

Just curious. Did you have any issues opening the container? If it was a standard container that is simple to open then it sounds like this guy is being shady. If you too had a hard time opening it then maybe there is something to his claim. I still feel you are the FTF because signing the outside of a container is lame. The Cache looked like a 4 inch diameter green pipe bomb with a screw on end. It was very tight. I opened it though. I put this post up because of this Cachers vast experience. I have the answer now. The FTF is the First to Sign. Thanks United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

I would have politely replied "Yes I checked the container and surrounding area for signatures, graffiti, and cave drawings and your signature, not any mark made by a man was nowhere to be found, you sure it was the actual cache you found? Maybe it was just a piece of trash, or maybe you just got there after me.... did you see my name on the log sheet when you looked at it?" Bonus points the more innocent yet sarcastic you sound while saying it. P.S. If I was the CO I'd delete the finders log for "no matching name found in log book", then chew him out for damaging my container! Thanks for the reply. This sarcasm drives the point. The Universal Ruling I will provide Enforcement for will be (FTF is the First to Sign). Sincerely, United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

"My favorite part is going and finding places I haven't been or seen. " Then why on earth would you waste your time care about chasing FTFs? You are new at this... did you realize that it is only a very small subset of geocaching that thinks that being FTF really means anything? You are correct. However, I completed one the day before that one and I wanted to do a few more. I see some Cachers; this is all they do is the FTF's. A few for me wasn't too bad; just experience. Thank you, United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

The owner has not weighed in yet. I was communicating with the other possible FTF. Funny thing he actually did not computer log as such. I think he wants me to change mine. This is why I went to post this page. Especially since a I feel I am bit of a newbie still. By the way a few days ago was nice weather in Dallas and now snow. Which today there is snow and ice. Thank you United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

This is the Dallas Texas area. Thanks United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

Thank you to everyone that provided information. I can now go on and work on FTF's. My favorite part is going and finding places I haven't been or seen. Sincerely, United Network Command for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

My family is new to this. However, I went out just before midnight to find a Cache and be the FTF. By 1 A.M.; I had completed my task. A was very proud newbie and a bit nervous. I felt like I should not be out there in the dark prowling around. Anyway I opened the container. There was no signature. It was blank and I put my FTF and removed a string of purple beads and left a "Where's George" dollar bill. A number of days later another member informed me he was the FTF. "Didn't I read the side of the container?" Well it was dark and I did not read or look at the side of the container which is quite large. He said he could not get the container open. This member has about 3000 finds compared to my 67 finds and this would be my 2nd FTF. Please provide the RULING. United Network for Cache Law and Enforcement U.N.C.L.E.

Groundspeak. I appreciate the UPDATE keep them coming. [8D]

Newbie- My daughter and I just picked up an Oregon 450. We are now unsure whether it has 5000 or 2000 cache memory and or 2000 waypoints and 200 routes. I guess. I am unsure about my specs after research. Also; what is Cache and Waypoint memory differences if any. I thought they were the same thing. Hope someone can explain. My daughter is going on a long trip and I wanted to send her 450 with her all loaded up.