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Good advice!!! A good perspective is to remember that most people who give gifts don't do it out of obligation or requirement, they give out of the shear pleasure of giving. People who say "Oh, don't go getting me a present this birthday" don't realize that they are not only depriving themselves of a gift or two, but they are depriving others of the joy of giving, and thse who still go ahead and do it now have a bit of guilt thrown in the mix. I used to drive almost 60 miles (on way) to go to work each day and pass across the Skyway Bridge twice a day which included the 'fun' of paying a $1 toll each time. One day I pulled up to the toll window and the lady said to keep going. I was sitting there with my dollar in hand wondering what she meant so I asked. She said "The person who went thru last paid for the next car, too, and that's you". I was a bit confused as I went thru but it started to sink in. So that afternoon I dropped down $2 at the booth and said to pay for the next person, too. I don't drive that way much anymore but I did that several dozen times just for the shear fun of thinking I was passing along a little random act of kindness and maybe like it did with me, it might spread.

You gave them a chance but I would also send them another email explaining that you deleted their log because of the spoiler and offer them the chance to repost a log without it. No problem not wanting spoilers in the logs as that's the owner's call. Looks like everyone has fun so keep it that way. We have caches we have requested "no pictures" as the whole idea is the uniqueness of the hide and so far no one has posted any. We have seen people post a picture stating that it's them pointing out the exact hiding spot location and when you click on it the caption says it was at night and it's a solid black JPG.... hehehehe

Didn't think of that. True. True. I guess it's more a training thing, but with multiple tabs in either Chrome or IE7 I often submit a post and then click to another tab and do something else while waiting. Then when I get back to it there's some browser error displayed, or a time out error, or some server error. I refresh thinking my post will pop back up, which it does, and often in the pre-posted state. If I click ADD REPLY again it does just that, posts again. With Chrome it gave me new errors and I was trying to click the BACK button and getting different errors, then clicking FORWARD and getting errors not realizing it was posting a new message each time in the background. The problem is also sometimes I forget if I hit ADD REPLY or PREVIEW POST and I got an error so I'm worried if I browse away from the site I might loose my typing. So I have gotten to the point of highlighting all my text and CTRL+C to the clipboard before hitting ADD REPLY just in case it bombs. Can't give up on Chrome now. The browser actually checks spelling as I type in ANY window on ANY site (including here) and I am a terrible speller

I know this isn't about the GC website but it is about the Forums. Is there any way to please, please, please, PUH-lease find a way to delete double posts rather then just edit them to say "double post"? I am test running the new Google Chrome browser and when I was trying to post a message in the forums I got some odd error message, I tried refreshing a couple times with no luck, then tried going back and got error messages. Then when I finally went back into the thread I found FIVE (5) copies of my post had been entered. Unfortunately without any way to delete a copy I had to just edit them to say "double post", etc. If there's any wish list out there for the Forums, deleting double posts gets my vote to be pushed up a few notches on the priority ladder.

I need to learn to t-y-p-e..... and maybe read.... hehehehe.... geeze.

I agree with the posts on the naming conventions but when you click the listing in HTML button your entire listing will be turned into HTML code. When you edit it you might get some funky text sizes or formatting issues (like no line breaks as the ENTER key doesn't create on, you need to use a line break <br>). You can do it but unless you're going to do the entire listing in HTML and embed pictures and stuff like GC166X2 then I'd just be content with saying "To read about this you can (visit link) to get more information" or something like that.

RTM322 - gas turbine for helicopters... made by Rolls Royce. Cool stuff....

Looks like they didn't like something commercial on the website so they blew away the link and even the complete original thread. Too bad. I have it bookmarked and managed to watch the whole thing between tasks at work (shhhhhh, don't tell anyone) and I enjoyed the film (film?.... odd term for a digital flick). Good camera work, great sound track, neat story, well edited and good message, too ::my hat is tipped in your general direction:: Being +1,000 miles from my home coords to the cache I doubt I'll visit it soon, but wish you luck with it. Good work and kudos to you and your cousin/brother/step-brother.... hehehe

Hmmmm, watch for my new submission for Free Beer and Cheerleaders Geocache GC12OZ I wonder if it will be featured on Discovery???? Or maybe ESPN.... hehehehee With money being tight, the cost of gas what it is, the cost of GPSr's what that is, and society pretty much stuck on the couch working out their thumb muscles I doubt that's something we need to worry about. But as soon as it becomes that popular government will come in and tax it or charge a fee for a hiding license and we underground types will start something new going on right under the geocacher's noses

Hey Matt, stumbled across this thread at lunch at work and managed to squeeze between the chores and watch the whole video. Good stuff there, good camera work, good sound track and a nice story ::tip hat in your general direction:: +1,000 miles from my home cords it might be a while before I can find it but the video is quality. I'll circulate it around my CG circle....

I just viewed the featured cache and appears to be more or less a PAG off New London Road on Prince Edward Island with a lot of caches right in that area. Don't know a thing about the area or what would make this particular cache stand out above the others nearby, but what is the criteria for Discovery to pick one cache over another? Just curious...

Agree 110% and ditto all the ditto's. Pretty high end to have it on Discovery Channel's website but I'd feel more honored if one of mine were featured on MythBusters or Dirty Jobs I would say the average Joe that watches Discovery Channel and visits their website would be the kind of person that would get into GC and contribute to the game. Always kind of felt that GC was pretty much a covert game and if it became too popular it wouldn't be as much fun, but until it comes with free beer and cheerleaders I don't think I'll worry much about that happening

True safety issues should be listed to alert dangers to others, but not just challenges. Having to climb out on a tree hanging over a deep creek bed on a 4 or 5 cache shouldn't be listed as a danger as that's the challenge. Poison ivy surrounding the cache, or hanging over a snake infested hole in the rocks, or wild boars living ten feet away, yeah, list those. And opinions can be posted but dimplomatically. And I agree, when we spend the day caching and find a bunch of caches, the ones I can't recall because there was nothing memorable about them get the shorter logs. IMHO that's why I hide what I hide as I am fishing for long logs.... that's the fun of being a cache owner!!!

The latest FGA (Florida Geocaching Association) geocoin is called "The Logwalker" and it's a picture of me walking across a felled tree to get a cache. I was honored and bought several. First I put in the wild I had in a popular TB hotel at a rest stop and ran by again a couple days later to place a TB and saw the coin was gone!!! I checked with everyone who logged a find and no one said they saw a thing but my nice new coin was gone. Yeah, it happens.

GREAT Idea. Can we also add a way to turn OFF caches we have in our ignore list on the maps (unless it's already there and I just can't find it)?????

That's where people don't see what's going on behind the scenes. A cacher with few or no hides slamming someone maintaining dozens (or hundreds) of hides because of some technique or container size or something minor like that just doesn't understand the work it takes to upkeep it all. And it's being upkept for the cachers, not like we owners get some commision. Which also circles back to asking how hard it is to take 30 seconds and type a little blurb about the find in the log rather then "TFTH!". People who leave logs of 5 characters or less should only be allowed to find PAG LPC's....

That is *IF* I signed the physical log book Nothing a few sewn together body parts won't stop.... IT'S ALIVE!!!!! The date you didn't find the cache or sign the physical log book??? Uhhhh, that would be every day except the day you found it

If we allow bogus false finds to affect how we play, I hate to think what would happen if people started logging bogus DNF's to disuede people from seeking someone's caches.... I can see the debate change to how can you prove that someone actually looked for a cache but didn't find it rather then armchair logging a DNF....

Dang, I just checked and the GC website states the date field as being "DATE LOGGED" and not "DATE FOUND". All this time I've been doing it wrong, I've been making it the date found! Sometimes it's a week later!!! ACK!!!!

I am most definitely not right but I can't stop you from trying to convince me I am

It's an issue on both ends. I have had logs come in and state too much info about the hide location or something that could possibly disuede people from searching for it. I email them and rationally and diplomatically talk to them about their log and why I would like it changed. We discuss it like adults and the logs were changed. I have had people state something negative about a hide or the location and I email them and discuss it. If I see their point as valid I go and adjust the hide to prevent it from being a negative experience for others. I have had people write that the hiding spot is trashy and question why anyone would hide something there. Sometimes locations degraded over time so I disable the cache and more or archive as necessary. The goal of an owner should be the pleasure of the cachers (even when frustrated with a DNF on tricky camo or a puzzle cache, the cacher should still have fun trying). It seems some owners seem to think the opinion of a cacher isn't worth bothering with, but by the same token some cachers think what "they" feel is the best caching experience is the only thing that should be out there disregarding what other cachers like to seek. It's a game with a load of people playing, can't please all of the people all of the time but you can please all of them some of the time

If I were able to get more manners out of geocachers it would be better spent on having them hide containers back properly, close containers tightly and write more then four characters for a log entry before I'd worry about a sheet of paper that can occasionally come in handy. Every living thing from single celled creatures to plants to man tries to conquer it's neighbor and expand it's territory to become the dominant species. The nature of life. Just because man can put religious or political justifications on it doesn't make it any less natural. Dang Elle, I need to mark my calendar for an upcoming Saturday and dig out my Jehovah costume… I haven't had a good nose smacking in a while! The right to freedom of speech is recognised as human right in under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and recognised in international human rights law under Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The ICCPR recognises the right to freedom of speech as "the right to hold opinions without interference". That pretty much sums it up. If someone has bias against religion or a particular religion then they are going to be biased when seeing even a simple pamphlet for that religion. Same would be true for politics where if someone of one party sees a pamphlet for their party in a cache they smile, one from the other party they grumble, grit their teeth, rip it into a million shreds and (hopefully) throw it in the nearest trash receptacle. We all have our own bias but it's our tolerance that allows us to walk past someone else, who's bias we disagree with, and allow them to have their bias without criticizing, condemning, belittling, judging or smacking their noses (the latter is allowed if done for the shear fun of it). Our opinion doesn't make us better people, our tolerance does.

I thought they were Nightflyers.... I'm off to put some garlic cloves and a silver pen in all my night caches...

You're right but that right comes from the right to freedom of speech. Doesn't mean you have to like it, but everyone has the "right" to voice their opinion vocally or thru print. Just as much as you have the right not read it or listen to it if you don't want to, or express your own opinion. No rules against religious materials or against any type of advertising INSIDE cache containers so deeming that as "misuse" or "inappropriate" is your opinion which you have the right to express. But what someone allows in their cache, in their property, is entirely up to them. You can control what is in your caches but you have no more right to throw out religious materials from someone else's cache then you do to throw out the log book. After all, it might of been the owner who placed them there.

HAHAHAHA....good'un. Only the ones who logged a FTBYOTN (First To Bite You On The Neck)