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  1. Let's do a quick dictionary check. Courtesy of dictionary.com: Stealth: –noun 1. secret, clandestine, or surreptitious procedure. 2. a furtive departure or entrance. –adjective 1. surreptitious; secret; not openly acknowledged: a stealth hiring of the competitor's CEO; the stealth issue of the presidential race. Seems pretty clear to me. Note that "confidently oblivious to one's surroundings" doesn't seem to qualify as "stealthy" I already had this chat with the other dude above you. You're taking the term WAY TO LITERALLY. Use the widely accepted geocaching version of the term. Come on, you're an engineer, use that brain of yours.
  2. 1 step forward and 2 steps back. Ok I'm done in here
  3. Alright, I think I've found the root of our miscommunication. In Geocaching, looking confident can be considered being stealthy. WHATEVER helps you not stand out is an example of being stealthy. Think of it as camouflaging yourself with the atmosphere around you. Not many people will even think twice of someone who LOOKS like they belong there. Glad we got that cleared up
  4. Dude, I think you take the term "stealthy" WAY to literally, you're not supposed to tip toe around looking over your shoulder every other second. Just exhibit some confidence, that alone is enough "stealth" for most populated area.
  5. http://www.cacheopedia.com/wiki/Stealth A quote from the 'unofficial' description: "Hiding the geocache is not enough, though. Our actions can give away the location of the geocache. Try to not be observed when hunting, locating, retrieving, and replacing the geocache. If it is impossible to not be observed, then the next best thing is act like you are doing something ordinary so no one will think twice. If it will be obvious that you will compromise the geocache location, many hunters will opt to leave the area and try at another time instead of risking the cache location." After a lot of reading, I understand there is a divide on the issue of stealth, some like it, some don't. But the general consensus on handling "Stealth required" hides is to A) Don't do them. B ) Use the required discretion or stealth as to not draw undesired attention towards you and/or the cache location so it doesn't get compromised. While I personally wouldn't get upset over a missing cache after a lack of stealth, it's naive to think the finder has no responsibility in maintaining the integrity of the hide itself at the request of the cache owner. In the end, users who enjoy stealthy urban micros will very much enjoy doing them, and those who do not will skip them. I personally just go for whichever is next on my list, and prepare accordingly.
  6. Lol, it'll only get muggled sooner or later if people like you, who don't bother not looking suspicious, go looking for it. I like your comment for one of the last caches you found "Wow, I found this cache on primary voting day! Mugglers EVERYWHERE. Got some strange looks as I was walking into the brush. Good times though. Mosquitos were crazy." Yeah, that's how caches get muggled. No sir, I don't like it. You have the "blame the finder" mentality. If you don't want your caches muggled, don't put them in places where people are likely to be seen retrieving them. Especially in the case of a parking lot micro (which this is), in which the finders generally tend to be after the quick smiley (in my opinion). I would never blame a finder for not being "stealthy enough" if one of my caches got muggled. I would consider it my own fault for putting it there. Then I encourage you to never attempt to find anything I hide, or a good majority of geocaches in this area. Not like you were going to anyways. But the locals around here appreciated the hide, got a couple phone calls saying it was good to finally have a hard new hide. They even had visitors from the office building while searching The lady, and the ~10 people watching from the 2nd story break room thought geocaching looked awesome after the finder explained it to them. It's a process getting everyone informed. You can't have everyone there at once for a meeting to explain that you're putting a cache in the area. So you get the permission, and let the rest find out as they see fit. I expect within a week or so a good amount of workers at the building next door will know of geocaching, hopefully a few of them give it a try, and hopefully I smooth things over with this security guard.
  7. Lol, it'll only get muggled sooner or later if people like you, who don't bother not looking suspicious, go looking for it. I like your comment for one of the last caches you found "Wow, I found this cache on primary voting day! Mugglers EVERYWHERE. Got some strange looks as I was walking into the brush. Good times though. Mosquitos were crazy." Yeah, that's how caches get muggled.
  8. Yet, your intention is to set up the rest of us for just that? Because you think it will give us a thrill? You entered the lot twice in 45 mins and were immediately confronted. What happens to the first cacher that looks for it? We share the same reviewers and I know how they operate. As soon as the first cacher shares their "thrilling" experience with them. Instant archival. Reminds me of a cache at the Citizens Bank Arena in Ontario. Almost every other log is about people being asked to leave by security, when it was finally my turn to get it, my first attempt security pulled up right away, I came back later and made the grab before they pulled up One of my most memorable. Keep in mind people, this is a game, and different people play it different ways, no need to take up arms over 1 cache where you don't agree with the circumstances in which it's placed. Simply put if it doesn't sound like your cup-o-tea, I don't expect you to search for it. My concern is not with playing the game differently, or ignoring a single cache. It is with intentionally luring cachers into what will obviously become an uncomfortable situation for them. Imagine a cacher looking for his first cache, or someone with a car full of kids. They will probably quit the game on the spot. There will always be a certain amount of unintended circumstances when searching for urban caches, but the difference here is that you are intentionally setting cachers up for a confrontation. I think that shows a lack of respect for the game and it's players. I added a note in the description advising against looking for the cache at night due to the uninformed security guard, I may take it upon myself to bridge the gap with him soon. For the time being it will be preferable to search during the day for this cache once it's published. As for someone quitting after being confronted by a security guard... Umm all i can say is maybe this isn't the game for them, because even after 4 run ins with LEO's who were unaware of what geocaching was. It can, and will happen. It's an unfortunate factor in this game we all play.
  9. I am not going to jump up and down, yelling "You are giving geocaching a black eye!", but to a certain extent, we all represent Geocachers each and every time we go out there, and our reputation is an important part of our ability to continue with our activity. Did your behavior enhance our reputation? I would guess his opinion on matter remains neutral, seeing as I (thankfully) exhibited no sign of being a geocacher To him I was just another drunk moron passing by (Yeah you can quote and bold that part and throw it back at me if anyone would like)
  10. Sounds like an invitation for a whole new string of caches from someone -- the "Paul Blart" caches. A series of caches hidden on private shopping center or mall parking lots where they have a security patrol. Note: I am kidding. Shouldn't need to say that but otherwise someone will come back with a snarky or two. Watch out for Mr. Blart
  11. Yet, your intention is to set up the rest of us for just that? Because you think it will give us a thrill? You entered the lot twice in 45 mins and were immediately confronted. What happens to the first cacher that looks for it? We share the same reviewers and I know how they operate. As soon as the first cacher shares their "thrilling" experience with them. Instant archival. Reminds me of a cache at the Citizens Bank Arena in Ontario. Almost every other log is about people being asked to leave by security, when it was finally my turn to get it, my first attempt security pulled up right away, I came back later and made the grab before they pulled up One of my most memorable. Keep in mind people, this is a game, and different people play it different ways, no need to take up arms over 1 cache where you don't agree with the circumstances in which it's placed. Simply put if it doesn't sound like your cup-o-tea, I don't expect you to search for it.
  12. Team 360 had a cool micro in front of the Colorado Belle in Laughlin, Nevada. I went for it 2 times only to pass it up because of an alert security officer. When the coast was clear and I finally got the cache, while signing the log, I caught movement out of my peripheral as the officer mounted on a bike glided up behind me... busted... As he glided past he whispered, "I was first to find on that one." LOL I like the ones who are cool about it. As for my behavior, I'm well aware it was childish, and I'm not even going to try and defend it
  13. I would have, and actually have done as well. I'm sure someone with more patience than I had last night would have taken the time to inform him the correct way. I was just laughing too hard the 2nd time around after the 'flashlight in the window as we passed by' incident the first time. I wouldn't expect anyone to lie about their intentions when confronted while looking for a cache. I'd personally rather not get confronted tho.
  14. I guess.. but then again, I don't know how you crazy Canadians do things up there. Down here tho, it usually means "Be sneaky" or "don't get caught".
  15. Also this cache isn't even on the property in which this security guard was protecting, it was on the property that I parked on the second time! I plan on it being a 3 difficulty .. I'll never place a LPH as long as I'm breathing lol.
  16. No geocacher would! That is why stealth is a must! Putting the onus on cachers to be "stealthy" at parking lot caches seems like a poor strategy from an ownership and maintenance standpoint. Many cachers, rightly or wrongly, have some disdain for parking lot hides and will not bother with any level of stealth. I know of one cacher who makes a game out of getting lamp post skirts to screech when he lifts them. Nice I wish I had the luxury (being in such a cache saturated area) to not have to worry about being stealthy... Unfortunately, it's part of the game. They even have attributes for it! Which I plan to add as soon as I place the cache
  17. No geocacher would! That is why stealth is a must!
  18. Yes, the security just doesn't know about it, and I'd prefer to keep it that way!
  19. LOL OK so after this local Meet and Greet, I was going to go back and place a cache that I had previously scoped out. It's just a regular office building parking lot. My wife drove me through it at about 9:00pm and this security guard shone his flashlight in our window as we drove through the parking lot.. We decided to go to the store and attempt to return about 45 minutes after. Well we pull into the parking lot NEXT to said office building and the security guard comes running out shinning his flash light at us once again asking what we're doing. Me being semi drunk I repeated every question he asked to him; such as "Hey what are you doing!", "What do you want?!".. My wife was driving so after he started jotting down our license plate she started driving away (even tho he wouldn't have been able to do anything with it). Anyways I thought it was a funny experience, he just came out yelling at us! (Yes I'm aware I was probably coming off the wrong way being in a not-so-sober state and all....) This post has no point, and is not looking for constructive, or non-constructive feedback, I just thought it was semi-humorous at the time. Props to the security guard for doing his job and protecting the property!
  20. My only concern was finding it it was a fun hide.
  21. I'll post some real pics of some of my favorites so far.
  22. I'll post some real pics of some of my favorites so far.
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