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We had a local hide called Bamboozled. It was a pun however. There was a section of about 200+ 1in diameter hewn bamboo chutes sticking out from the ground in a 15x10 foot area, the cache was just a log rolled up inside one of them with a camo'd cap inside. This was the log when I retrieved it haha.

Yet this silly miscommunication was worth the effort to jump in and insult people? *double eyeroll* Since when is that an insult? Unless you are one of those types of people, and somehow proud of it, then I wouldn't see it as one. Oh, right, jumping into the thread to call people "uptight, wet blanket types" was friendly banter. I still say all you bozos are wrong and Clay Aiken was ROBBED. Friendly? No. Insulting? No, unless you feel you are being targeted for fitting into the categories described. I personally wouldn't admit to being an uptight wet blanket, therefor wouldn't get offended I guess there are some who enjoy being uptight, wet blankets tho, and don't particularly enjoy being called out for being so. On a completely separate note, Caramel Frappuccino from Starbucks, I haven't had one of these in about 5 years. Man it's tasty on this hot summer day.

Yet this silly miscommunication was worth the effort to jump in and insult people? *double eyeroll* Since when is that an insult? Unless you are one of those types of people, and somehow proud of it, then I wouldn't see it as one.

LOL you found Waldo... or what's left of him after strolling through Compton, CA.

They were when I went looking for it, Larry had left a plastic bug at GZ to kinda give a hint to where it was supposed to be. When I went the first 2 times I found the bug in the "circular" area where it was supposed to be, and found it roughly 20-25 feet west-south-west of that spot. It was off.

And another by the same hider, a hide a key rock in the middle of a field, with tons of small rocks, and the coords ended up being 27 feet off:

Explorist GC

Needle in a haystack: This wall was about 20 feet one way, 20 feet around the bend, and about 12 feet high at the corner. The actual hide was just a nano tucked in one of the cracks at the top. Edit to add this is at the entrance of a gated community. and across the street from a train station. LOTS of muggles.

Or, that button can be a reality check. The posters to this forum thread, so far, have over 22,ooo forum posts and almost 17,ooo geocache finds...So I guess they do a little more something other than just surf the forums. So I guess their interpretation of the guidelines is way more important than others? (Note, I'm not asking if they have more experience Geocaching.)

I abhor bush hides, and micros in rock piles/bushes.

I think the reason for all the rules discussion is there are a bunch of people who don't do much besides surf the forums, and ANYTIME someone posts a questions regarding geocaching, they feel the need to split hairs and bring up rules just to start a debate. It's funner to some people to attempt and debate their interpretation of "guidelines" with fellow geocachers, just for the sake of debating, instead of simply offering their opinion on an OP's question and letting it be. That +quote reply button can be evil.

Yes, you can do that. But then you're claiming to have found the cache last week. Which you didn't... Not if you edit the date as well, which is also available on the edit screen.

The only real problem with this philosophy is that it is changing history. You didn't find it on the day you looked for it. We all have good days and bad days when caching. If you are playing baseball and you make a swing and a miss do you count it as a strike or do you say "I had a brain fart as the ball left the pitchers hand, so it's not really a strike." Somehow I doubt it. There are no mulligans in geocaching in my opinion. I don't save my used TP everyday to show I took a poo, that doesn't mean I didn't go number 2.... I'm not CHANGING history, I'm just choosing not to log it. The cache owner knows what happened, I know what happened, and that's all that matters to ME. I was expressing my opinion to the OP, he was the one asking for opinions on the matter, not me Maybe you don't use TP every day. I don't know and I don't really care what you use. How does the cache owner know what happened? You said you did log it as a DNF. I am basing my statement on what you said, and you said, "I'll add a Found log and delete my DNF." Your deletion of the DNF is changing the history. They will have received the email notification that I DNF'd their cache at the time when I logged the DNF. ONCE AGAIN the OP was asking the questions, and that's who my answer was for. There's no guidelines for or against either of our point of views so you're wasting your time trying to convince me to keep my DNF logs posted.

How about just edit out everything after: "New multi cache idea:Creating business size cards with scratch off coordinates to place in your first cache site. Scratch to reveal the coordinates for the next cache. Keep a little stash of cards in your cache...more for high traffic caches." Then it's not such a blatant advertisement.

We have a guy down in my area who, every year archives about 30-35 caches along a bike trail, and then replaced them in slightly new placements. It's part of an annual event he does for Halloween. 5+ years now a bunch of people on bicycles, usually about 25-30 people or so, and some even walking, start at one end of this bike trail and go 10 miles roughly to the end at a park for a BBQ. He keeps the listings active until October 20th, archives, then re-posts the new caches on October 25th. Not sure how this scenario fits into this thread, but I'm sure someone will have fun debating it.

Czech yourself before you wreck yourself.

I LOVE being outdoors and hiking and such, but at the same time I do enjoy maximizing the number of caches I find while on a trip. I usually wont go on a hike for just 1 cache, i try to find hikes with series, or multiples caches along the route. Mix in some OCD and ADD-like tendencies and Geocaching becomes an extremely satisfying hobby for people like me. That, and THE HUNT. I love the satisfaction of successfully hunting the cache. That's human nature tho it seems.

The only real problem with this philosophy is that it is changing history. You didn't find it on the day you looked for it. We all have good days and bad days when caching. If you are playing baseball and you make a swing and a miss do you count it as a strike or do you say "I had a brain fart as the ball left the pitchers hand, so it's not really a strike." Somehow I doubt it. There are no mulligans in geocaching in my opinion. I don't save my used TP everyday to show I took a poo, that doesn't mean I didn't go number 2.... I'm not CHANGING history, I'm just choosing not to log it. The cache owner knows what happened, I know what happened, and that's all that matters to ME. I was expressing my opinion to the OP, he was the one asking for opinions on the matter, not me

Tall people wont have a problem, average people wont have a problem, vertically challenged folks will most likely improvise with a ToTT or something. I'm not going to split hairs and try to assume the average height of geocachers. When it comes down to it, the crowd that has trouble retrieving a cache like you describe, expecting a 1.5 terrain cache will be extremely minimal. 1.5 terrain should be suitable.

As long as you are not looking over your shoulder, most people wont pay any attention to you. We did a pretty big hike along a popular trail last weekend, out of the 20 or so groups of people that passed by us while we were in the middle of searches, only 1 person said anything to us, and it was along the lines of "You guys looking for lizards and snakes??" I said "Yup, or anything else we can find" and he just kept walking. All the other people to my knowledge never bothered to look twice. Urban settings however, as long as I don't have to kneel down, I just search with confidence. Again most people wont look twice if you're just looking hard for something. But you start to draw attention if you're looking over your shoulder, or pacing very slowly looking looking around confused, or kneeling down a lot. If something is down low, I MAY drop something and give it a quick look. Now all we need is the anti-stealth crowd to come in here talking about how if you have to look stealthy then the cache, and cache owner should be crucified.

Height is only factored against terrain [for me] if I have to to climb, or hang on something to reach it. Then I factor it in. But If it's within reach for an 'average' person, I'd just slap a generic 1.5 on it.

Meh, it's situational for me. If it's a REALLY easy hide that I brainfarted while searching, I'll add a Found log and delete my DNF. If it's one that went missing and got replaced after logging DNF's, I'll leave my DNF log. That's just me tho. DNFing a cache isn't some sentimental experience that I feel the need to cling to. Once again, that's just me

I had a container once that was an M&M's round tin, it fell out of it hiding spot (magnetic, hid under a storage container in a parking lot) and had been run over a few times. It was IMPOSSIBLE to get open, I tried my keys, then went back to my car for a screwdriver, it was done for. I logged it as a find, and then immediately a needs maintenance. To me, that's the same scenario as finding a log that's too wet to sign. Forces beyond your control stopped you from physically signing the log, but in MY opinion, it was still a find, AND the owner still got word that maintenance was required, and replaced the container a couple weeks later. On a separate occasion, there was a cache that was a PVC pipe screwed to a pole, in order to retrieve the cache you had to cover the hole at the bottom and fill the tube with water until the container bobbed up at the top. I went and tried filling it up twice and the container did not pop up, I tried sticking something down there just incase it was wedged at the bottom, and tried filling it up again. Nothing. I left and logged a NM, and did NOT log a find. The owner shot me an email thanking me very much for the heads up, and told me to log it as a find. Turns out someone had stolen the actual container. These are just 2 random situations I've encountered. As a cache owner tho, if someone found my physical container, and were for some reason unable to physically open the container, I wouldn't have a problem if they logged it as a find so long as they made me aware of the problem I needed to correct. The way I see it, they found my cache, and are helping me maintain it, so them claiming it as a find is a favor for reporting the maintenance. However, this would NOT apply if the container was missing, or they were unable to retrieve the cache.

Thats good to know. I would like to clear up one feature i heard about this unit. Is it true that you can log a cache via the eXplorist unit? If so how? is it thru the GPS connection or is there some kind of 3G set up or soemthing? -Connect the unit to your PC via USB, then click your name in the top right corner of the geocaching.com site while logged in. -Scroll down and on the right it will say "Access your field notes" click that. -Click "Here" in the "Magellan - eXplorist GC GPS Receivers" area at the bottom. -Navigate to the GPS unit itself into the "Geocaching" folder on the GPSr and select the newlogs.txt file at the bottom, and Upload them. Uncheck the box that mentions excluding logs "prior to xxxxx", It seems to be kinda buggy at the moment and sometimes will only upload 1 field note. Doing all this will bring you to a screen with all of the caches you found since last clearing the newlogs.txt file. And in it will include any notes you entered with the GPSr while in the field. Which the only time I enter notes in the GPSr WHILE geocaching is when I do a LOT of caches and I have to remember which caches I dropped TB/GC's at. It does make it convenient while doing multiple logs tho because you can just go down the list in order and input your logs.

Do you know about Geocaching Events, including what kinds there are? I've only attended 2 local Meet and Greet type events. Only ones I really care to attend. Do you attend events? I've attended our local Meet and Greet last month and this month so far. I didn't plan on attending any events but some of the locals invited me along. I wouldn't go unless this group of [my age] friends attended. Nothing against the older geocachers, I just had a lot more in common with similarly-aged friends Have you considered hosting an event, but don't know where to start? Negative, there's many events in my area already. Some players are hosting 4 or so events a month, not really my cup-o-tea unless I already grabbed nearly every smiley in a 20 mile radius, like them. If you have questions, what are they? (So that experienced event hosts can hopefully pitch in some helpful advice.) Hey! Where's the beer!?