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Arse&Hemi

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    Ummm... eBay is a few thousand times larger than Groundspeak, and has a few million dollars more that they can use to handle this sort of thing. That comparison is simply not a fair one by any stretch. --Larry eBay hasn't always been as big as it is now. They have been able to allow user content and handle security too. Maybe gc should cough up a little extra and hire a consultant from that team.
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    Sites like eBay allow users to add their own content, and we have had no display problems listing our pages with them. If it's a security issue maybe gc should take a look at how other companies like eBay handle the problem. Instead of limiting the allowed content of it's users.
  3. Arse&Hemi

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    Making a play on words does not cut it. You do not own a piece of the company which means you do not have a financially vested interest. We all own the caches used to play the game, and it costs plenty to set them up. Without the caches there is no geocaching. Regardless of who owns the building.
  4. Arse&Hemi

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    Really?w3.org test
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    I won't comment on the results for geocaching.com
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    Did a little test with W3C, our pages pass...
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    Always been the case. But not anymore.
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    I don't know. But I doubt that they will revert the site design because a tiny percentage of cache pages have dirty HTML code causing the page to display incorrectly. Nothing dirty. I have good "clean" HTML on my pages and no issues since the change. I know of a few people who have looked at YOUR code and have said it's got some problems, I looked myself and saw the same problems. You want to complain about GC's "flawed" coding that won't let your flawed coding work the way you want it to?? Sorry, I can't support that. If you had spent the same amount of time and effort cleaning up the code on your pages that you have spent on this thread, you would probably have at least a good start on having your pages render properly. I agree with mtn-man, t4e, and MickEMT. As stated in posts 45, 66 and 73. I think you will find that the issue with your pages is in the code you provided. BTW I don't know if you used MS Word to create any of these pages but Word is possibly the worst HTML editor on the planet. It is so bad that applications like dreamweaver have tools like "Clean Up Word HTML" to correct the crappy HTML Word uses. Word? We don't use word. Our HTML page have problems too. These problems only exist on geocaching.com
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    I don't know. But I doubt that they will revert the site design because a tiny percentage of cache pages have dirty HTML code causing the page to display incorrectly. Nothing dirty. I have good "clean" HTML on my pages and no issues since the change. I know of a few people who have looked at YOUR code and have said it's got some problems, I looked myself and saw the same problems. You want to complain about GC's "flawed" coding that won't let your flawed coding work the way you want it to?? Sorry, I can't support that. If you had spent the same amount of time and effort cleaning up the code on your pages that you have spent on this thread, you would probably have at least a good start on having your pages render properly. I agree with mtn-man, t4e, and MickEMT. As stated in posts 45, 66 and 73. I think you will find that the issue with your pages is in the code you provided. BTW I don't know if you used MS Word to create any of these pages but Word is possibly the worst HTML editor on the planet. It is so bad that applications like dreamweaver have tools like "Clean Up Word HTML" to correct the crappy HTML Word uses. Word? We don't use word. Our HTML page have problems too.
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    I don't know. But I doubt that they will revert the site design because a tiny percentage of cache pages have dirty HTML code causing the page to display incorrectly. Nothing dirty.
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    It's been my experience they do, have you tried it? I know I don't have 15 thousand something posts but still I'm not a complete rookie. In these 5 years I tried to communicate with Groundspeak a few times, never with a proper outcome. Therefore, it's been my experience they don't. Additionally, the future will tell each of these experiences is somehow distorted. Assuming you don't have a doubt regarding the general opinion of users / customers about these changes, we will see if our opinion / will, will be respected in the end. I hope I am wrong though. I guess that depends upon what and how you define a "proper outcome". A "No" is still an answer whether it's appreciated or not. The alignment of ideas and suggestions with their business model do not have to be taken into consideration until you become a profiteering shareholder. We are the shareholders of the information on this site. We are fools.
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    yawn Exactly what I was thinking. Yawn again
  13. Arse&Hemi

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    Nós também estamos insatisfeitos com as mudanças. Obrigado por se manifestar também. Eu sou Português também! (Metade)
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    I am wondering how far along this route they actually went. They'd have to have some kind of sandbox to make sure the updates don't catastrophically fail. It it possible that neither of the testers looked at ANY sample cache listings or other pages? Unlikely. I'd chalk this whole thing up to better-to-beg-forgiveness-than-ask-permission I too come from an IT service background and I know that a rollout like this on a production system where EVERYONE pays would result in the fecal matter impacting the horizontal air impeller. I am sure that, like most companies of this type, they have a couple of small scale sand box systems with sand box information. They most likely do not replicate the whole database. If you did this the sandbox system would begin to function just like the main system including sending notifications. Also if something was wrong with the sandbox db then you have find out if it is an issue with the db copy, the sandbox, or the release. I might be wrong but it appears this issue is not widespread. It looks like only a handful of people that had certain pages affected. After looking at a couple of the OPs problem pages it appears to be an issue with his code. I don't think that GS has any obligation to check to make sure that their changes don't break pages with poor html code. So the questions is how many cache pages do they need to look at before they roll out even a small visual change? It was fine before the update. What was removed to make the pages look like that?
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    It was obvious before we started this tread what the responses would be from the usual suspects. We just want to say, you screwed up Groundspeak. Since you cruise the forums regularly you know we are not the only ones saying this. Posters who point their finger at us and say our listings are the problem, are not being objective. And others who make it personal, have nothing to say. People who disagree with our method are welcome to do so. Oh, one more thing, thanks for agreeing with us Iller! I think that all most of us "usual suspects" (eg: those that volunteer their time here in hopes of being of some use to others) are trying to point out is that disabling your caches is a pretty futile form of making your point known. I, and at least some others, understand your frustration... but disabling your caches for a week is not going to affect Groundspeak one bit... even if we all did it at the same time. I'm sure that is a statement true. We are just falling on our sword.
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    It was obvious before we started this tread what the responses would be from the usual suspects. We just want to say, you screwed up Groundspeak. Since you cruise the forums regularly you know we are not the only ones saying this. Posters who point their finger at us and say our listings are the problem, are not being objective. And others who make it personal, have nothing to say. People who disagree with our method are welcome to do so. Oh, one more thing, thanks for agreeing with us Iller!
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    if he used the proper html this would have never happened, but most likely is done is some page editor and than pasted onto the geocaching page and that is always prone to breaking at some point tbh i wish people would keep their listings plain and simple, without all the fancy shmanzi useless stuff that only makes the page load slower and unusable for most people that try using it in the field on a cell phone, PDA etc, we can't all afford an iPhone or blackberry i don't understand what place has here your comment about "investing unpaid time and effort on geocaching.com" while i agree that is frustrating to have to redo them all geocaching its a voluntary hobby not a job but as i said above, maybe this will serve as a lesson to keep it simple in the future yes, as per above Yes, some are done with a page editor, others by hand, and both are affected. Interesting how we are being blamed for an oversight by others. Plain white and black pages may be good for you, but we like a little more creativity. There is no reason there cannot be both.
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    What part of our statement is rude? We are stating facts; he has 4 hides, his 4 hides are unaffected by the recent changes as far as we know, his 4 cache pages appear to look ok. However, several of our cache pages have been altered drastically due to the recent changes. Oh, I just love it when someone says something that is clearly designed to be condecending, and then claims that they are only stating facts. Get real. That's just like the street thugs who are caresul to word their threats in such a way that they cannot be proven to be threats. Oh...I never said that I was going to hurt him, I just said he might get hurt. Well, it could also be that the amount of work needed for Arse&Hemi to go through their 163 active caches and modify the html code where it is broken, is quite a lot of work and that they have a lot more reason to complain about the layout changes than someone with 4 caches that render properly with the new layout. Arse&Hemi has invested a lot of unpaid time and effort in geocaching.com with their caches and I can understand their frustration when they have to invest a lot more time and effort just because someone decided to change the layout of geocaching.com without prior notice. So yes, I think that someone with 163 active caches has a lot more reasons to complain for the amount of work they will have to put in, than someone with 4 caches. Of course, anyone regardless of the number of caches he/she has hidden, has equal right to complain about the layout issues for caches own by other users, but that is quite a different thing. iller At least someone gets it! Thanks for being objective!
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    Could be just the impression left by the rude remark to Totemlake. We wrote: What part of our statement is rude? We are stating facts; he has 4 hides, his 4 hides are unaffected by the recent changes as far as we know, his 4 cache pages appear to look ok. However, several of our cache pages have been altered drastically due to the recent changes.
  20. Arse&Hemi

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    i looked at some of your cache pages, and only have yourself to blame for choosing to design it that way BTW: Good Luck wit your protest! Of course, we are the ones to blame.
  21. Arse&Hemi

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    "I must ask though. Do you really feel that you are a better or more worthy cacher than someone with 4 hides?" Who said anyone was better?
  22. Arse&Hemi

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    i agree with the proper testing and communication with the community, but i don't think disabling your caches will influence Groundspeak in any way maybe there's better ways of getting your point across, like an e-mail to them explaining the concerns of the community and endorsed by as many members as you can gather We have voiced our concerns in the appropriate forums. Now we are taking action.
  23. Arse&Hemi

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    Probably none of your 4 hides have been affected, but many of ours have been.
  24. Arse&Hemi

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    Not punishing anyone, just making a point. You should know that any good design is tested thoroughly before it's made public. The lack of proper testing and communication with the community are the problem here.
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