SherwoodForest

or more correctly, readding the ability to drop travel bugs via an edit, since you used to be able to do so that way before they fixed the system so you could drop multiple TBs at the same time via the original log.

Darby's Run outside Cincy would probably work...

no, but since cache owners do not have the option to opt-out any new caches they submit from this 'feature', all caches are immediately thrown to the FTFhounds.... some people like it, some are indifferent... that's just how it is... I think it doesn't improve the game overall (After all, they eliminated the similar feature regarding Jeeps) but to each their own.... I just have to find other ways to make a cache last longer than four hours without being found by a FTF hoarder...

or we could just can the instant notify feature, since it just brings out some of the more negative aspects of the game.... FTF hoarding....

Must be an East of State Road in town issue, because I ran two PQs last night (prolly covering similar topics as SerenityNow) and they came through right away... Insanity later.... And a happy Halloween to everyone tomorrow... *grin*

well, as someone who has had to gently nudge event planners three times this year because of attempts to overlap scheduled events.... Western PA originally had an event scheduled the same weekend as the Midwest GeoBash (a gentle coaxing convinced them to move it back a week) North Central Ohio and Erie both were talking about scheduling events on October 1st (putting those of us smack in the middle in a dilemma, fortunately, the events are now Oct 1 and Oct 8 so everyone can attend both... And, Erie scheduled their 1000aire BBQ on the Sunday of the NEOGeo Campout -- but we packed up fairly early on Sunday and were able (if rushed) to head out and still manage to attend.... so yeah, they may be a year off, and maybe your State Park in Indiana is far enough away from Cleveland to not really be a problem, but it still limits the opportunites for everyone to schedule two big events at the same time... But you are right, some will like the laid-back campout Indiana event, some will like the challenge of the Grand Caching Adventure in Cleveland (some of us like both types of events and would like to attend both if possible). Oh well, maybe in 2007...

We think it might be your lost, after all we had around 200 (198 to be exact) show up for the Fall picnic, some were even from Ohio. Wish I could have made it to both, however I need to make the Indiana event my priority, not an Ohio Event. Like I said, your guys' loss.... We had about 250 at Alien Encounter, and will prolly top 300 for Fragglestock.... But if grand caching events aren't your style, no problem... It just always seems so frustrating when big events in nearby areas are scheduled for the same weekend, since it limits everyone's options.... *sigh* So you Hoosiers enjoy your picnic...

yay! the first good news I've heard regarding this in a long time... that's all I am looking for... i have no problem with new virtuals only being accepted as waymarks, I just want the current gc.com virtuals to stay on gc.com...

those Indiana People just really don't know how to schedule events, do they... scheduling up against one of the big yearly events.... oh well, their loss if they don't come to FRAGGLESTOCK!

I can't fathom any virt that can't be converted to a waymark. Can you provide one? well, if you wanted to strip the virtual geocache of all the character that made it a geocache, I suppose then every virtual can be deconstructed into a waymark... but by that same token, every traditional cache can be converted into a waymark as well.... so maybe we should force all the traditional geocaches to become waymarks as well.... But, if you want to keep the character of some virtuals intact, it's impossible to convert them to waymarks, since waymarks are to deconstructionist to allow for the 'wow' factor that real virtuals had to meet in order to be listed.... http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...56-b3ecc15616f2 I'm sure CR and the virt haters can find some way to say that this could easily be converted into a waymark, but I still think that in doing so, it completely kills the spirit that made this cache the geocache that it is... so why not just let the virtuals that are on gc.com stay there.... that's what I don't understand...

my main problem with the 'supposed' mandatory archiving of all virtuals from the gc.com website (has there ever been an official decision on this, or is it still the extremely vague wording that we find in two places -- one indicating current virtuals will stay geocachers, and one indicating they will be moved to wm.com or archived) is that you would be archiving the virtual caches that cannot be replaced with a physical container and otherwise meet all the other guidelines (in fact to a stricter guideline and higher quality of cache because they have to meet the WOW! factor as well). I have several caches that end at a 'virtual' container because they are in locations where I am not allowed to place a traditional cache (i.e. State Nature Preserves, Park Districts that do not allow geocaches, etc.). One of this caches is questionably lame on the WOW factor and I could see that one getting archived.... But, most of the others are among the most popular of my caches, and they meet the concept of geocache far more than they fit the concept (as it is currently stands) of Waymarking. Therefore, I would hate for the geocaching community to miss out on these Geocaches just because 5 years into the game, people are trying to say they aren't geocaches anymore.... even though they are.... Don't think I'm anti-WM. I moved my locationless over, and see wm.com as the perfect solution for the problems that ailed that cache concept... they never were really caches.... Unfortunately, the same doesn't hold true for all virtuals.... yes, there are plenty of historical marker or clocktowers on the street or whatever virtual caches that can easily be converted to waymarks.... but then there are others that can't, like my State Nature Preserve caches... so what I'm really saying it please don't forceably archive the extant virtuals on gc.com.... especially not the ones that met the stringent guidelines that were put in place (just not soon enough to save the category, I guess)

Sorry, but to many of us, Waymarking is a solution to replace LCs and virts. Waymarking does seem to be a good replacement to the locationless caches as far as I have seen so far.... and it should work as a good replacement for many of the different types of virtuals out there (but not ALL of them -- which is why there is so much angst and discussion about the future of the current virtuals on gc.com that work better as geocaches and not waymarks). It's just going to take some time... i don't tihnk Groundspeak was really prepared to handle things regarding Waymarking when they opened it up to premium members.... there's still a lot of growing pains going on right now, and I imagine it will just get worse before it gets better once they start accepting new categories.... like the 5 trillion mostly redudant ideas posted in the companion thread.... so, i've been lying low regarding Waymarking until Groundspeak and the Waymarking ocmmunity get their acts together and try and hammer something out that's gonna work... and i am looking forward for that moment... i do look forward to doing Waymarking... once we actually know what that is, and what's gonna happen with the geocaches that aren't waymarks....

there's a cache at each Turnpike Rest Stop in the Cleveland area (Dog Gone Dung Days Are Over and You're Gonna Need Some Spare Change). and there should've been a companion across the turnpike to Brady's LEap -- I'm sure Hiking Viking placed one on both directions.... sorry the info is late.... most of the Ohio groups use their own boards, and really don't use the gc.com forums much if at all....

the Ohio Geocoins have a Cardinal on one side of the coin, so you might be thinking of that coin.... what few are left are being sold in person at Ohio events (so your best chance would be at Alien Encounter here in Cleveland this Saturday) -- or, find someone with some surplus Ohio Geocoins and trade/barter/bribe for a coin.... Good luck....

well, if the cache is old enough, it might be from the era before you actually had to click on the terrain and difficulty ratings.... I remember several 1/1 caches that were nothing more than the product of the owner not rating the cache, and gc.com defaulting everything to 1/1... those were vexing caches.... not that I haven't had the same problems as some of y'all, but a lot of that is cache owners who think a tiny micro container hidden in an urban setting constitutes a quick 'n easy find and therefore a '1' rating...

technically I'd have to answer 3... it is just a trade item like anything else.... BUT, I would do like you did and ask the owner of the sig item if they are cool with it before releasing as a TB... we have an odd item here in NE Ohio called the NEOGeo totem that local cachers attach their sig items to... and we have been tracking it via our yahoo! group (which is obviously a very poor way to track anything, and it often disappears for months or years) So there is a growing movement to make it a TB and thereby easier to track (though some are concerned that it might leave NE Ohio as a TB -- hopefully we can info tag it well enough to keep it within the home territory) but after a gentle reminder, we are going to ask the creator of the Totem what his thoughts are before we do anything further with it TB-wise....

And miss quite possibly the funnest, bizarrest, greatest event of the year? nope. It's Alien Encounter for me.... too bad there are only so many weekends in a month...

ah, the stock trade answer of the he-man micro hater... just because the cachers in our larger area like to congratulate each other when they hit milestones (such as every hundred) does not automatically make it all about quantity of quality.... but the micro-haters won't listen... there is room in the game for all types... and yes, there are some lame micros in our greater general area, and there are lots and lots of very clever ones (especially from that one most prolific cache hider in this greater general caching area) And often, those lame micros that get whined about have some other merit that the micro haters just won't get... maybe it was hidden to give you a chance to see the nearby historic site (since it lacked virtual 'wow' but is still a meritous cache), maybe it takes you to a nice park beyond where the micro is... I think we cachers sometimes get too much tunnel vision, and miss the bigger picture... I certainly know the micro haters do...

i hadn't understood that things could be sorted out by region when I originally posted, but now that I understand that, yes, this idea would be to find the coordinates for cemeteries on an international basis. The guideline we're using for where to take the coordinate is at the main entrance to the cemetery (or what looks to be the main entrance to the cemetery for those with multiple entrances). Unfortunately, those cemeteries with caches, those caches are usually not at the entrance, so the cache coordinates are not useful for this project, as it is the entrance (and parking coordinates if parking is not obviously available in the cemetery or at the entrance coordinates)

cool... i like sticking with the spirit of the visit.... the one idea i have for a waymark (once they start accepting new ideas -- the cemeteries), I have enjoyed visiting each of the nearly 70 cemeteries that I have been to so far, each offers its own experience

yeah, round here we don't have the dutch style windmill, just the Kansas dustbowl style waterpump operating tin windmills.... (And this is Ohio) never found one for the locationless... but have seen several that would fit this... I'm in favour of windmills...

well, since the numbers don't matter.... but this is a good question... since the idea of this game seems to be to find the location (unlike finding an ammo box someone has hidden in the woods), I would think that adding waymarks to your own categories should be acceptable. But, i suppose it also come down to how the 'owner' of the category? waymark? whatever the term I am looking for is, with the general affirmation of the community would decide what the 'proper' rules are. For a category I just submitted (Ohio Cemetery Coordinate Project), I have been waypointing the location of cemeteries for the last few months, and have many cemeteries that would be ready to be listed. So what does everyone else think?

Proposal for a waymark under the People: Graves/Memorials category Subcategory: Cemetery Coordinate Project. At one of our local coffee chat events a few months back, a local geocacher who is involoved with the Ohio Geneological Society (which literally writes the book on Ohio Cemeteries), came to our coffee event and asked if geocachers would be interested in a project to waypoint Ohio's cemeteries (helping to build an accurate coordinate database). The new Waymarking 'game' seems like it would be ideally suited to helping out with this project, plus take waymarkers to all the different cemeteries (historic and modern) across the state. While the original spawn of this idea is to do it for Ohio Cemeteries, there is no reason the project could not be to gather cemetery coordinates across the country and for that matter the geocaching/Waymarking world (I've waypointed cemeteries in Pennsylvania, as well) Thanks for listening to my proposal, and hope the community sees some worth in this project. SherwoodForest

D'oh! I've only been here three years, should've remembered that... I was just a little giddy that I was getting to post a link that I erred... My humblest apologies, Sir Markwell, for taking your name in vain, and thank you for the move....

one, you'd be better served asking this in the Midwest forum -- and maybe one of the mods can move it there... Secondly -- the zip code for Aurora OH is 44202. If you like historic cemeteries, I have several cemetery caches in the general area -- there is a clever container cache in Garrettsville (Aurand the Park). Sunny Lake Park in Aurora itself is one of (if not the) oldest cache still in existance in Ohio. Oh, and here's the Markwell of the closest caches to Aurora Good hunting!