Dame Deco

No. Log caches on the day you actually found it. Anything else is against the spirit and logic of the game.

I took a TB heading for Utah from Ohio to Denver, then someone picked it up and brought it back to Kentucky. I took a stuffed animal that had traveled through Europe for a couple years to within 100 miles of it's home in Texas (I just couldn't take it all the way)--someone picked it up and never logged it again. Even participating by helping people--not putting anything out yourself--is discouraging.

For me, the rate of attrition has been pretty close to 100%. I've stopped putting travelers out--never coins, and very rarely TBs.

The fun of finding a blank log and seeing exactly how the CO placed their cache is prize enough!

Yep, just log it with a "note"--

Of course, you could read the cache page before your trip and plan ahead so that you can really enjoy the site when you get there. That said--I don't disagree. I tend to write up 2-3 paragraphs of info and ask 2 or 3 questions per EC. My first two are actually my longest--I shortened them a bit thereafter. I'm a teacher by profession, and I like to create a short interesting lesson that makes you think about what you see.

I believe that you can still require a picture for a virtual cache. You can't for an EarthCache, and though we had a thread not long ago about an Additional Logging Requirement for a Webcam, the issue there was time of day not using the webcam, so the issue wasn't central to the actual integrity of the cache: using a webcam. I think you can still require a photo--but it's a questions for GS. ETA: in the log the cacher said you couldn't require a photo for an EarthCache--that seemed strange, since yours is a virtual cache.

Good to add, Fizzy. I'm not a charter member, so it wasn't an issue for me.

I recently redeemed a gift card--GS told me that I had to let my premium membership expire before using it, and that was indeed the case. I couldn't use it even a day early.

I wish they'd speed it up by archiving the ones that are being logged with selfies instead of webcam shots--

I kind of agree that with the advent of smart phones, the challenge of a webcam cache is gone. Let them die away.

The poster isn't saying the sunset would be over the ocean, just that they prefer sunsets. And the sun does set in eastern Florida, just not over the water. And sunset to the west with light slanting in at new angles over the ocean to east is still a beautiful phenomenon.

Discussions that start out with "rant" in the title never end well.

The funniest thing in all you've said is that you assumed people follow simple directions. The world would be a better place if that were true... People USED to follow directions? I don't think that's even part of human nature--

I am curious, how many emails have you received? + 1 We're seeing a lot of gnashing of teeth, but I don't believe anyone has said how many they actually got and about what caches. The new protocol is in its infancy, and we have to wait and see how it plays out.

And I think we have the explanation in one of the posts above--something to do with time stamps. At least it's only for the day--you can log all on the website on a Monday and all on the app on a Tuesday, etc. and have the order come out right. Well...according to what's above, if you do the logs a true day apart.

Ah--sorry I misread your post.

I see the person's point--there isn't an indications that the wording is a MINIMUM rather than the ONLY requirement. I think that a lackey needs to weigh in--

It looks like you are in fact correct. Of course the CO would have to go back and delete all the logs of people who didn't post a webcam picture. Did GS get this one wrong?

That really and truly bugs me to death! You have to use either the app or the website to do your logs for the day--one or the other. If you try to use both, they won't be the in the right order. Even editing something on the website that you logged in the app changes the order. Very, very annoying.

The CO has already archived the cache--

Yes, seeing the sunrise on the beach in Florida is super, duper challenging and unique. Half the folks who did it found crappy, overcast weather. There are sunrises all along the coast of Florida every day. I took awesome sunrise pics at a virtual cache on New Smyrna Beach a couple of years ago. Is the hyperbole of creativity etc. really needed in this particular case? It's not really a unique place or view. When you had to have somebody on computer somewhere, I'd say this WAS a challenge, in the smart phone era, it's a pretty easy webcam. You can see the sunrise doing a thousand different caches along the coast of Florida. The rules changed in 2009. If the CO doesn't like the new rules, archiving is the right choice for that person. Someday all the webcam caches will be gone. That's life--everything moves on to new things.

+1 The only working webcam we bumped into on travels we logged. Those no longer working (by logs) we passed on, not even stopping to look. I don't mind being the "spoil sport" and hitting an NA, but I'd wanna be there first to see firsthand. Doesn't seem too many have that desire to do the right correct thing. - That icon/stat thing gets in the way... I know the feeling--I won't log a webcam NA without going, but they're usually out of the way, and I'm not going way out of my way just to log an NA.

It's sad to see a WORKING webcam go. I wish all the ones that don't work and people log with selfies would be archived.

The fact is, once we got smart phones and could do webcams ourselves, they were never going to be the same experience they once were. I did do one in Virginia last fall that we could not do on our smartphones--we just couldn't make the site work. A friend on a computer in another state finally got it to work after a half-hour or more. It was raining, of course! Ah--now that must have been just like the old days! That said--I've only logged working webcams. If a webcam is down, I don't log it. The minimum requirement for a webcam cache must be using the webcam!