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Dame Deco

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  1. No, I didn't. I guess that I should have!


    I think I checked the real thing from NGS by going through the search page--I was going through a list and checking for those specifically. Do you think they updated it already based on my log? When going for these, I make a point of checking the real thing through NGS. But I can't swear to the fact that I looked on the NGS site...I think I did, though.


    If they updated the page based on my log, I would expect to see the recovery note by a geocacher at the bottom. Very strange! The moral of the story is, check the real NGS sheet, not just what's on gc.com...but I thought I did.


    From the gc.com link:




    LF1239 HISTORY - Date Condition Recov. By


    LF1239 HISTORY - 1975 GOOD USGS

    LF1239 HISTORY - 1977 GOOD NGS


    From the NGS link:








    LF1239 HISTORY - Date Condition Report By


    LF1239 HISTORY - 1975 GOOD USGS

    LF1239 HISTORY - 1977 GOOD NGS

  2. I know what you're saying, Gungadoy! I went after what I was hoping was a gravity station in Iowa that hadn't been visited by the NGS in nearly 40 years. It turned out to not be a gravity station, but it really was a thrill when I dug the Azimuth Mark out of the mud, poured water on it, and it appeared before me. Now, the 2 marks had witness posts, so it wasn't a hard job to find them, still I really enjoyed being the first to recover them after so many years. There were only coordinates for the main mark, so I did follow the directions to find the Azimuth Mark. I would like to go after something with a full set sometime, maybe I'll buy my own economy metal detector in the new year! You might have to dnf a cache, but you know it's been found recently. I went 100 miles out of my way just to see if this mark still existed, and lo and behold it did! The drive and hunt were worth it!


    LF1239, recovered 8/24/15





  3. Touchstone--


    Not true, really. You can ask questions that require the use of a sign, but still require thinking. Sending a pic of the sign would not be enough in such a case. I have a couple of ECs where the answers are on my cache page for the most part, with questions requiring observation, as well, just as the OP has done. In the modern world, ANYTHING can be found on the internet, even the average temperature of the water in a spring, I bet, when an EC owner wants a temperature reading. I can think of few things for an EC that somebody somewhere couldn't find a way to cheat on. I write ECs for people who want to learn. I don't worry that much about those who cheat to get it done--they harm only themselves. My ECs are out there to teach--I teach for a living. That means I'm used to acknowledging that I'm not going to reach everybody. I take the joy in the ones who take joy in learning like I do. I've logged over 350 EarchCaches, some of "lame," to use your terminology. I still learn from them by doing more research. You get out what you put in when it comes to logging ECs. I chose to concentrate on the positives and ignore the negatives.

  4. Thanks to both for the photos.


    Well, actually three of us posted pics of state survey markers for you...:)


    Dame Deco,


    Sorry that I missed yours. If that 1939 is not an elevation, I suspect the disk was placed after the fact. See below




    and take a look at the rest of Jerry Penry's online publications.






    I'd say it's pretty doubtful that it's an elevation in Florida, lol! The Original Datasheet says it was monumented in 1939. Thanks for the interesting links!


    Here's a line from Penry's 2006 article on the state survey marks: "Parts of the program struggled on until 1939, but the work continued less than a year in many states." So the Deland mark might indeed have been monumented as part of the program.

  5. I completed Gungadoy's challenge--it was a lot of fun finding the old, hard to find marks! Here's my state survey from Deland, Florida, and there are pics of the location, etc., in my log. It's AQ1245. I'm including my magnetic disc from West Virginia, HY0008. Gungadoy pointed out a Gravity Station reference mark in northern Florida, BE0315, and a Topographical Disc, AG1367 near Tampa--as he noted, it's tough to find one outside an airport. I used those to complete the challenge. I really need to get to California to get that last disc, the elusive Gravity Station!









  6. I remember when souvenirs were from a place.


    Well, wasn't one of the very first ones for the 10-10-10 events?


    I like these well enough--but I bet that they'll sort in different places rather than next to each other in our profiles. I really wish we could move our souvenirs around...

  7. I think it's a shame that they make the souvenir only available one day, and a Sunday at that. In many areas, they are few and far between, or folks have everything nearby. Why not let folks find one over at least the weekend, and perhaps even over the course of a week. This isn't like International GC day or February 29 where any kind of cache counts.


    Personally I'll tend to do some research before I even leave home bound for an Earthcache - because I want to make sure I learn as much as possible. This often means that I've good responses for 80% of the logging tasks before I even get to GZ.


    It does gall me though when a log comes through on an EC which indicates that the amount of effort applied to qualifying was virtually zero, and the cache is being logged just for the sake of a souvenir and not for the learning opportunity offered.


    As an owner of ECs, I try to think of my caches as being for folks like yourself. You are my audience, people who want to learn. I have to wade through the lazy logs at souvenir times, but I take satisfaction from the fact that many enjoy them and learn from them.

  9. I'm not getting why everyone cares so much about what souvenirs people have on their list and how they got it. Maybe I don't get it because I barely know what souvenirs I have, and I never check or compare anyone else's.

    The only time I care about souvenirs is if they encourage people to power cache and treat my cache hides like all they matter for is to get someone a badge (or qualify for a challenge....but that's another issue).


    Someone posted a topic. They asked for opinions. People gave their opinions. It's how forums work.

  10. I wouldn't go so far as to say it keeps me up nights or anything, but if someone asks for an opinion...well, I'll give my opinion. And if someone posts that logging physical caches on the day visited are sacrosanct to keep a streak alive, but fudging on EarthCaches is fine to earn a souvenir...well, I'll give my opinion on that, too. Why go for a souvenir if it isn't important to you? I didn't do all 31 days 2 summers ago, I haven't done the CITO souvenirs, and some others, because I don't care about them. I like and value EarthCaches, so I took most of a Sunday afternoon to get one because there were none closer. When folks say, "I don't care about souvenirs, but I violated the guidelines to get one," there's a clear contradiction in their statement.

  11. My most fun of this game is our streak. I make sure to sign a log for a cache I qualify for everyday. I know others who do it differently. The day I can't find and sign one I will end it. I am very strict on that.


    However for this earthday cache I could care less about the souvenir but I have been to this one earth cache about 5 times over the years and looked at it. Taken pictures but never came up with the answers. I was there checking one of our caches a couple of days before and looked at it again but never worked on the answers. Earth caches are not really our thing. On the earthcache day I decided it was time to finally try and come up with the answers to the questions. I put in the log and message to the CO if they were wrong to go ahead and delete them because I really didn't care about the souvenir. I picked that day for the found it because that is the day I figured out the questions. If not for the earthday cache thing it still would be unclaimed as a find. I otherwise wouldn't know what day to pick. The first day I was there, The second? I just logged it on that day. I found other caches for the streak that day. If that is cheating I will definitely change the date. Earth caches don't help with our streak because it could be denied anyways with a question being wrong or something.


    Boy, did you twist yourself into a pretzel to get the EarthCache souvenir! Geocaching is about finding a place with your GPS, even if you answer questions about that place for virtual and EarthCaches. You didn't visit an EarthCache on International Earth Day, you shouldn't be claiming a souvenir for it. If EarthCaches aren't your thing, why bother with an internet souvenir? I don't have any of the CITO souvenirs. You are pretty regular on the forums--you didn't know that even if the owner deletes your log, you still get the souvenir?


    EarthCaches are about learning something in addition to visiting a place with a GPS in hand. I looked at the EC--it could be a little confusing, but it's shorter than many I've seen, and it basically asks you one question. Google or a library book would probably have helped you learn what you needed to know to come up with the answer. The very first day you visited, you could have logged a note, taken pictures, sent your observations and ideas to the owner, and gotten help with an explanation about what you had seen. After tweaking your answer based on that help, you could have gotten the find the very first time. Anyone who makes an honest effort on one of my ECs can claim it as a find--I'll help them come up with the right information because I want them to learn. I only delete the logs of people who don't even try--don't ever email or message me. An EC isn't a test you can fail where they chop off your head (or delete your log) if you're wrong.


    You don't state in your log that visited that day--but you don't state in your log that you didn't, either. Of course stating that you didn't actually visit that day would allow the CO to delete your log, and GS to delete your souvenir. Because, you know...that's against the guidelines. If you VISITED the site that day, logging it on your sixth try is fine, same as any other cache you dnf'ed. If you didn't visit that day, it's the same as people on a streak logging a find for a cache they visited one day but logged another when they needed it.


    So which is it? Did you figure it out and send in the answers without visiting the site to claim the souvenir? Or did you visit the place for the 6th time? Your post would seem to indicate you visited some time at the end of the week rather than Sunday. If you don't care about the souvenir, go ahead and change the log date and email GS asking them to delete the souvenir. That would allow you to uphold your "a streak only counts if you sign the log every day" standard.

  12. No. Log caches on the day you actually found it. Anything else is against the spirit and logic of the game.


    Welllllllllllll, that outlook leaves me with a major fur ball stuck in my craw.


    Many times I have been out in the hinterlands and do not get back to a signal for days or weeks.


    Am I not to log caches as found because my circumstances preclude logging on the day of a find.


    This curious mind wants to know


    No, of course not. You log it on the correct date by backdating it to the day you found it, not the date you made it back to civilization.


    I wonder, sometimes, if everyone knows that you can do this...

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