crsandtweetygirl

Thank you. After reading this thread I decided to cross-publish my cache on their site. For me its more about caching than it is about loyally to any one listing service. Wow, I have not been on that site for months, their listings are growing?

I may or may not use coupons in caches but everyone geocaches their own way with their own rules. Best of all, you don't have to listen to, or follow anyones advise pro or con. Mine included. If you want to, just do it!

Garmin and all other major gps makers would probably go together and charge a premium membership to include a geocaching feature.

Eh... would that not be an "additional logging requirement"? Not a bad idea, but as it is open and available to everyone, I don't think that interjecting such a requirement would fly. Placing restrictions on who can/who cannot log a find is well... taboo, is it not? In that geocaching.com does not recognize FTF as an official anything, maybe it would. Just for some reason, I don thin so... I don't like it myself but I see a lot of published caches out there with additional cache requirements where you must have a streak of cache finds to get credit for a smiley. This example should be taboo as well, but it's allowed, and places restrictions on who can and who cannot log a find.

If you eventually get into setting up your own cache someday, why not setup a "No FTF" cache, where as only those cachers without a FTF can claim the find. Or perhaps make sure the physical log is already pre-signed by someone/anyone who does not care about a FTF. This would discourage FTFers in your area.

As a paying customer it's nice to see the banner be right the first time.

Not at all. You apparently didn't really read that, did you? Start again at the line that reads, "Some land managers would rather not be bothered by people asking if they can play their game" on this property. . Actually there it more to it than that. First of all the expression is "It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission". Next, the description I gave above doesn't say that you should assume there is adequate permission. A geocacher should do due diligence in determining whether they need to ask permission. If there are other caches placed in lands under a particular jurisdiction, you can ask the owners what permission they got. If they just assumed adequate permission and the caches have been around for a while, that may be an indication that that land manager has no objection to caching. A general rule of thumb, if you place a cache on private property you should ask permission. If you place a cache on public property, try to determine the agency responsible for that property. Look on their website to see if they have a geocaching policy. If they do, follow it. If they don't, you might try the Frisbee rule. Would you play Frisbee there without asking permission? Don't forget to consider the differences between geocaching and playing Frisbee. If the land manager has other rules (e.g., stay on marked trails), place your cache in accordance with these rules. Be sure to follow Groundspeak guidelines as well. Choose an appropriate container and label it as a geocache if possible. The land manager may decide in the future that they don't want caches or that that want to institute a formal permit process. If that happens, comply with the new regulations. In the meantime enjoy the cache places with adequate permission. First of all the your sentence "Actually there it more to it than that" should be said as "Actually there is more to it than that. Second, the issue of Plagiarism. The expression "It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission". was quoted by Rear Admiral Grace Hopper As quoted in U.S. Navy's Chips Ahoy magazine (July 1986). Plagiarism is frowned upon so state your source! "Actually there it more to it than that" quoted by Tozainamboku Nah! It's okay for Mr. Tozainamboku to be critical of other peoples grammer and not that of his own.

For one or both, please don't backtrack or revise your explanations on my account. I'm not opposed to you not asking for permission, you hold the responsibility. I helped to start a cache by asking permission, and did make ANY assumptions, and did not lump "some" people into a reason to justify not asking for permission in any or all cases. I respect tozainamboku's answer.

Thank you... I was just coming here to write essentially the same thing, particularly your opening paragraph. So, please allow me to add, "Ditto" In short, it's better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permisssion.

Did you include the name and contact information for the person who initially gave you permission to hide the cache there in either of the notes to him? You are assuming that explicit permission was required for the area, aren't you? If it truly was on the homeowner's association property, that would be necessary, but it sounds as though ELECTRICHEADX had reason to believe that it was not. The state preserve may not require explicit permission. Hmmmm! The usual geocaching problem when you plant a cache on property that is not your own. To end endless assumptions on permission, let's hear it (on this forum) from the person(s) granting the permission to place the cache. All properties are owned/managed by someone or some entity. The statement "The state preserve may not require explicit permission" has the same weight as saying "The state preserve may deny permission". Which begs the question; has the question been asked? To the property owner/manager/land stuart; what say you?

Reading the string of responses. I have to agree that sending a concern NA to a reviewer is the best way to go. Years ago I would have no concern over questionable caches, sign the log, and move on; not reporting anything. I don't want to be a crusader to report bad caches, that's not where I want to go. After seeing a cache that could put the searching geocacher in jeoparty, or in trouble, I feel it's important to pass the word. Thank you for the responses.

Is it appropriate to report illegal geocache sites? Getting out there on the hunt one gets to see some of the dirty sides to geocaching. I would commonly come across geocaches on properties that are posted next to signs Will Prosecute! No Trespass and also cache sites that tend to destroy the surrounding vegetation, bring trash to the area. I do the cach in trash out thing, but what fun is there to see this all the time. Should these sites be shut down; or is the Find more important, and move on? I shut one cache down for the the past reasons, and I was made to feel like I just killed somebody, or left a cult! Tired of the profanity thrown my way for doing the right thing. Perhaps it's not worthwhile to clean up the sport.