Legochugglers

I try and apply the following logic to dictate how I proceed: Found the cache = found it log Hunted in any shape or form but didn't find it = DNF log Set off for a cache (did not hunt) = write note - as long as the info is relevant to me, the CO or other cachers. Set off for the cache (did not hunt) = nothing - where absolutely nothing of relevance was worth recording

so should we go to a few caches that are HIGH muggle areas and they have geocoins..and bugs in them..and your telling him to put a note on it just because some teenagers came over saw the geoache picked it up and wrote some bad words in it and left it there Sorry...I've put this post through Google translate and it comes up with 'no known language'. I think the incredibles make a perfectly sensible suggestion if a CO wishes to persevere with a cache in a high muggle area. Whilst the first group of kids that find a cache may just add some names, if they show the cache to other friends these may not be as willing to leave the cache alone and then more significant problems may arise. get your big boy pants on it and get over it and putting a note on it for trackables...when theres caches that ive seen in higher muggle areas than kids just coming by I'm sorry, once again I can't understand what you are saying?

so should we go to a few caches that are HIGH muggle areas and they have geocoins..and bugs in them..and your telling him to put a note on it just because some teenagers came over saw the geoache picked it up and wrote some bad words in it and left it there Sorry...I've put this post through Google translate and it comes up with 'no known language'. I think the incredibles make a perfectly sensible suggestion if a CO wishes to persevere with a cache in a high muggle area. Whilst the first group of kids that find a cache may just add some names, if they show the cache to other friends these may not be as willing to leave the cache alone and then more significant problems may arise.

I would definitely write a note. Any cache that I had to consider removing my pants has to be recorded for posterity however I guess this is lost in the transatlantic translation.

I agree. Create the cache page with rough coordinates NOW while you are waiting for your cache container to arrive. Otherwise someone may get the spot before you do. would have to be a nice container and follow the guidelines as well... till you got your other container No it wouldn't. No container would need to be placed until you requested that it is published. However I'm not sure I like the idea of too many prospective COs following this strategy as we could end up with large areas being used up by COs who may use the area at a later date (and then don't) rather than just waiting for a container to arrive.

If you want to appeal sensibly and constructively then you need to follow the correct procedure. If you want the forum to give a spectrum of views on your grievances then you will need to provide some more info. I know where I would go!

If you don't wish to become a premium member then most COs will be even more grateful for an appreciative on line log and a big smile on a photo. If it's the cache I'm thinking that you wished to favourite I think you have successfully fulfilled this requirement.

If you are up for some further investigation you could pop back to the cache and if their isn't any name or GC code on the log/container you could note down some of the names/dates and then search under 'found by user' on the search for a cache page. Another alternative if you are really keen is to note some of the names of some of your most prolific local cachers and drop them an e-mail to see if they can steer you in the right direction.

There are a number of possible explanations. As you suggest, it could be an archived cache that some cachers are still logging. Difficult to locate details unless a knowledgeable local cacher responds to this thread. The other plausible explanation is that you have stumbled on the final stage of a multi or mystery cache where the final cache is not at the published coords. I don't know the area so you may need to do the investigative work to see if anything fits. One other thought is that it could have been a cache from other listing sites as Groundspeak doesn't quite have a total monopoly.

Under 12?

However basic grammar and spelling have been bended beyond all recognition.

Yes you can...but this is where I came in so I'm not going round again!

Most cache series (or individual caches) that incorporate a pub car park will have had the CO specifically ask permission for cachers to use the car park and will then record this fact in the cache listing. I would think that most pubs would probably welcome and encourage the likelihood that cachers/walkers would then eat/drink there afterwards. However, common courtesy would still lead me to ask permission if I was off for a few hours.

Would you have still gone to look for it if the previous finder had posted a DNF stating that they could not find it and it seemed to be hidden in a particularly unpleasant prickly bush that was severely hindering any attempt at a search. In my opinion this definitely required a DNF including some useful info for subsequent searchers and some feedback to the CO. Although we are obviously making an assumption that it was/is hidden in the prickly bush!

Interesting discussions. Here's what I've been doing. 1. if it has an easy rating I'll log a DNF after a minute. It's supposed to be easy. If the rating is higher I don't think it's fair or accurate to log DNF without a good search. 2. I'd post a Note here. good information for the next would-be searcher but not much of a search myself. 3. No log. peering from outside isn't enough to bother with. 4. DNF. shaky coordinates make good info for everyone involved. Yes I know some people offset their coordinates on purpose. If it's more than 15 feet I don't mind calling them on it. 5. no log. a quick DNF on a hard hide is not good information. I have a little concern about 3. If you had a peer into somewhere and decided it was 'nasty in there' I would assume you mean it was dirty, rubbish filled,dangerous or unpleasant. In this scenario I would definitely generate some form of log to record my experience to alert fellow cachers and the CO to very relevant issues. Just to be 'in vogue' I would be factual and polite so I didn't get the log deleted.

I assume the first thing you did was e-mail the cachers that posted the DNFs, apologise for the poor coords and confirm that matters had been sorted out. You could then have politely asked them to edit their logs by removing any particular comments that you didn't like and why you found them offensive. Done this way you may have got a more sympathetic response. I think that boat has sailed now but you could try again. It appears that the cachers in question are now determined to report their experience and exactly how they felt when looking for the cache which they are perfectly entitled to do. It is up to your diplomacy to change this (you may need to work on this).

I always try and hide the contents of the cache from my kids as they tend to take the crap out and put good stuff in.

FTF and geocaching are not the same thing. They are both a part of the same hobby; they are one and the same for me. I also didn't say they were the same, but that they can be done for the same reasons. its not part of the game geocaching does not promote ftf Of course it is...whether promoted or not, every cache has a FTF (assuming someone has found it) im glad someone goes there for the first time but i try not to promote it. makes some geocachers go crazzyyy Yet your own cache appears to promote FTF as the listing starts with a big congratulations to the person who got ftf.

FTF and geocaching are not the same thing. They are both a part of the same hobby; they are one and the same for me. I also didn't say they were the same, but that they can be done for the same reasons. its not part of the game geocaching does not promote ftf Of course it is...whether promoted or not, every cache has a FTF (assuming someone has found it)

From your profile it would seem that you have already made a pretty good start. My advice would be to always start with 'location,location,location'.When you find the right spot for a cache then hopefully this will inspire your creativity based on the area you have found. Don't rush, one cool cache with all the right ingredients is worth much more than 10 that are half baked!

Often, the first thing I do is ask myself why didn't I look there 20 minutes ago when I first got to GZ. As far as 'cleaning' up the cache I will take each situation on its merits and assist the CO where I am able. I find this hard to justify where in my opinion the cache is an unsuitable container, poorly placed, unmaintained by an inactive owner with no other redeeming features. I will record my experiences under the appropriate log and move on.

Both the first cache we ever found and the first cache we favourited were subsequently archived some time later. In both cases we have placed new caches at these sites and are keeping our fingers crossed that they don't get muggled (no problems so far and one has been out a year now).

Definitely pretty sharp but I think that should be 'Swiss' army knife

I would' t do it. It would always nag away at the back of my mind that I was recorded as finding a cache that I had never visited. What would you write on your on-line log to describe your experience at GZ? The whole situation becomes a complete sham.

First ever FTF, a little 'toot' can't do any harm. A loud, constant blast may be a bit of a nuisance though.