Legochugglers

So by that logic any cache which involves crossing or walking along a road should not be allowed, because roads are more dangerous than electricity pylons by an order of magnitude; oh and lamp posts, street signs, telegraph poles all have 'electricity in them' so they're out too; don't even think about putting a cache anywhere near water because you can drown in 2" you know! Pylons are only dangerous once you climb up towards the transmission lines (which is why the barbed wire mentioned above is there). If they were truly dangerous then they'd all be fenced off (like sub stations, which are dangerous places), whereas in reality there's usually nothing to restrict access to the base of pylons, indeed I've seen footpaths pass between the legs of pylons. I suggest that 'common sense' says there's nothing particularly dangerous about electricity pylons, and to say that they're inherently dangerous is an over reaction.

Surely we just need to apply some common sense with regard to pylons (or anything similar). There are lots of families out their caching and I dont think any children should be encouraged to think that it is okay to go anywhere near a pylon. I tested one of my boys with the question "should a cache be placed on a pylon". I was very proud of his answer as he said "dont be stupid, it could be dangerous, I though we were only going to do nice caches"

In my opinion the listing makes it absolutely clear that you need some info before walking to the co-ordinates and the 'Field puzzle' attribute has been used. It wouldnt appear that the collating of that info is particularly taxing (unless of course you dont read the listing properly). I have read before in the forums where it is claimed that "many people don't read the listing". If this is really the case then they only have themselves to blame, I would kick myself if I made that mistake and certainly wouldnt berate the CO. The reviewers are happy with it, many visitors seem happy with it. No problem.

It would appear from the listing that the CO met up with another Cacher whilst checking on the cache last night so whilst he certainly didnt give anything away this should have given him further evidence that the co-ordinates are as accurate as they need to be. Probably the only angst I feel is my disappointment that I am too far away to visit and put some theories to the test and see if the hides are as 'cunning' as I hope they are. Watching with interest.

Oh yeah, and while we're at it, why not replace all local food with hamburgers and force them to eat proper american food, so you'll know what you eat when you come to a foreign country. Or even better, just force them to abandon their native languages and make them all speak english. That would be way easier. That is so incredibly arrogant. Have to agree with Otis on this one. It is incredibly arrogant to expect non-English speaking countries/caches to provide a translation (although I notice some do). Broaden your horizons and work it out! I have a TB working its way through Netherlands/Germany at the moment and I really enjoy working out the comments. When holidaying in France and Spain I made a special effort to translate some listing pages myself before I travelled to make sure I was prepared. I like the way that some caching terms remain the same in every language (Les Muggles, Ein Muggles....).

In my job I regularly have to add short typed commentary notes on the computer to record actions I have taken on behalf of a customer. For the third time today I have reviewed some historic notes regarding a clients history and have noticed a 'TFTC' at the end of the commentary!!

It would appear that GC12 is a much better cache than MINGO and certainly more of a challenge (especially in the winter months) although it could do with a more interesting title and description (LOL). I also notice that the cache needs maintenance as it was full of water last time it was found. Lets hope the 'oldest cache' could end up as something that the Geocaching community could actually be proud of making a pilgrimage to go and find rather than a throwdown near a fence.

I dont think you could do any more than you already have. The CO seems to be still active so they should appreciate the time you have taken with this explanation and will no doubt investigate the position shortly. Great bit of perseverance to find the final. Doing it the hard way often gives an extra sense of accomplishment to boot!

I notice one of your other caches 'UC Parth Pandam' is also building up the DNF's. I smell trouble!

I have no problem with a specifically rated difficult hide. In fact, bring them on (although Reading is a bit far away for us). However the test for this type of hide will be once it is actually found. There is a big difference between the following; A cleverly hidden, excellently concealed cache. A wind up/April Fool. A needle in a haystack or the caching equivalent, a nano in the undergrowth with dodgy co-ordinates. I will follow this thread/watchlist with interest to see what unfolds but I am hoping for the former of the above.

Right! Thats it! It has definately gone..........................Well, maybe ONE MORE LOOK. Found it.

What about the Peak District maybe staying in Bakewell. Great scenery, lots to see and the Alphabet Soup series of caches near Matlock which must be one of the most 'favourited' series in the country.

First and foremost I think you really ought to choose an area that really appeals to you and then build your geocaching plans around that area. Hopefully you can then enjoy the sights that you already know you are going to experience and maybe 'caching' may take you to a few more.

I can make a different poem using Longfellow, Girl, but, middle and horrid although I think the thread might get locked.

Exploring my world one box at a time.

I noticed this on line log on a tricky hide in our area: -------------------------------------------------------------- [][][]Hmmmmmm well top marks for this one!!!![][][][] Came across this more by luck than judgement We went to pick up Doomed to die 6 and somehow took a wrong turn but carried on driving as there on the Sat-Nav a cache had popped up and we where only 40m from it pulled up 4m away didn’t even set GPSr had a quick look around it then back to van to get iPad looked up info and carried looking for another 20 mins only to be interrupted by university security,[] had a good chat to them and explained Geocaching to them they said so long as I didn't put turbine in the back of my van for scrap metal they didn't care and they let me carry on with my search but still no luck gave up once police car started circling around a couple of times. I will be back with Geokids...... Will give a fav point for this even though it’s not found as yet…..[] ------------------------------------------------------------------ I quite liked the idea that it doesn't matter whether it was found or not, if you enjoyed the hunt/site then why not give it a favourite. Has anybody else done this?

I am a regular exponent of the loud, pretend conversation into a mobile phone tactic when I'm looking for an urban micro. I find the louder and more intense the conversation the more space you are given. Mix in a few peculiar tic's and twitches and this usually allows for a totally unhindered search.

Our Golden Retriever has been out with us caching on many occasions and despite plenty of encouragement has never assisted in the search in any way. We even tried giving him a good scent of the first cache in a series hoping that he would then sniff the others out. Still no luck. Then, when we were doing some maintenance on our own series we replaced one of the caches which was now camo'd with a large piece of bark (excuse the pun) attached to it. We started walking along the path only to find him trotting along next to us with the cache in his mouth. We tried again but twice more he kept sprinting back and recovering it from the undergrowth. In the end we had to put him back in the car whilst we hid it and drove to the next cache. It would appear he will only retrieve caches that already have our scent on them. The irony!!

I hesitated whether I should answer at all, but finally decided to correct your misinterpretation of what I wrote. My key point was that one can respect a person and still not share his opinion. When someone dies, this is always a sad event. I lost some relatives quite early. So I definitely know how such a loss feels like. Moreover, my value system puts every form of life and respect for the creatures in this world much higher than any sort of disconsent between people and much higher than an activity like geocaching. Note there is a difference between disagreeing and being angry. I would have been angry for a few days if one of my caches had been spoilt by Sven which was not the case. So what's left was simply my disagreement with a poster in this thread who spoke for all geocachers. What he wrote was not an issue of respect or disrespect. I am sure that Sven's intentions when putting efforts in making geocaching even more popular have took place in good faith. This does not mean, however, that I or someone else need to agree that such an initiave only has good sides. I will keep away from this thread from now on. I do not want this thread to become a debate as this would be completely inappropriate to the topic of this thread. I sincerely hope that the pain that Sven's relatives will feel will decrease over the time - it will never diappear anyway. Cezanne Thank you. Lets remember the positives and move on.

That's very simple. I respect human beings and it is always sad if someone passes away so early. I take the liberty, however, to criticize peoplew hen they are doing things that I regard as wrong and when they do not pay respect to other people or their work. The first videos of Sven have been dated with the same date as his found it logs and I was able to identify most of the filmed caches from that period. It is for me an absolute no go with respect to geocaching ethics to provide such spoilers. He might have done a service to you and others, but please do not talk about me. I neither was happy with his way of spoilering nor with his approach to make geocaching even more known. I am also against the hype with respect to creative hideouts. I'd suggest to keep this topic however out of this thread. My point is just that one can show respect for other people while still not sharing their opinions at all. Cezanne I do not believe you have gone there. You are angry that in your opinion he spoilt a few pieces of hidden tupperware!! He was a family man that for whatever reason has died. Your forum comments are disrespectful, if you can't say anything respectful in acknowledgement of Sven, stay away. If you wish to dredge up the topic of 'Spoilers' then start it on another thread.

When I'm caching on my own I rarely take or leave anything however when the kids are with me they tend to leave really good small toys in the cache and take the 'TAT' out, despite my protestations.

I used to carry a series of cheap biros round with me however I ended up with so many embarrassing ink leaks I was worried that my thigh was going to end up permanently 'tatooed' with a splodge of leaked ink. I then acquired a more expensive pen that seemed to be suitable for all types of logs no matter how wet. It was one of those very fine 'felt tip' type pens. Unfortunately I went and left it in a cache. I thought about returning to retrieve it but imagine my annoyance when I noticed a subsequent log that stated ' Took nice pen left childrens key ring'. As I have signed some logs in blood, mud, mould and charcoal the type or lack of a writing implement is never going to be a berrier to signing the log.

VIL must be one of the most well used geocaching words in the UK

When we first started we assumed we HAD to use the hint and used to decrypt them manually before we went out, before we realised there was a decrypt button (LOL). Now we tend to allocate a few minutes of searching GZ and then resort to the hint if we feel that all initial ideas have been exhausted. I wouldnt feel too disappointed as I am sure most cachers use the hints regularly even if they say they don't. You may also find that you turn to the hint on occasions and find that it confuses you more than when you started looking without it.