DisQuoi
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If you're going to be in the area overnight and plan on doing any early morning caching, I recommend picking a couple of caches that lie along the Potomac River (Maryland or Virginia, you decide). You'll be rewarded with some very beautiful scenery that many locals have never seen.
You will have to proint them out yourself, though.
Carderock by sandsd (Ihaven't seen this one yet)
Ripley's Riverbend Cache by Ripley the Cairn Terrier
Poplar Town by Team Baccus
Unfortunatly, there are some excellent ones that have been confiscated by the Park Service.
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I would love to find a cache created and maintained by a fellow geocacher in which nice new toys were the reward. I have one question though. Would you expect people to trade up for nice new toys? The whole trade-up philosophy tends to keep cache contents cheap since people are hesitant to place a $20 item in a cache for a $15 item that they could have bought in store.
If you do this cache, I'd recommend either selecting $1-$3 dollars toys.
or ...
Make it clear that the toys are a reward for a very difficult cache find. Make the cache difficulty such that the demand doesn't exceed your supply of toys.
This has been discussed many times in "first finder prizes" discussions but I had a new fossil watch in a cache that I couldn't get people to take (someone finally did stating their hesitancy) since they felt that they should have to trade something of equal value which they didn't want to do.
I have no problem with a "commercial" cache like this (donated toys in exchange for mentioning versus 1/2 price coupons redeemable at a store).
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Clearly, this is a continuation of the discussion about people logging caches based on physical evidence of plundering. In other words, what should be "allowed" when logging a "find".
First of all, if you mean "to each his own", you shouldn't follow by questioning someone's choice.
Second, this isn't a competetive game so there's little incentive to "pad" or "cheat". I'm not "playing against" you when I wake up on a Saturday morning and grab my unit (hehe ... GPS unit).
Third, it's not a question of honesty. How someone tracks their geocaching should have no impact on your day. If someone has a rationale for why they logged a cache, let them. If rules are ever written up for how to log a cache on geocaching.com, then there will be room for calling someone honest or dishonest.
Fourth, I see little difference in multiple loggings of a cache that moves around a park versus any other cache.
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Hehe.
.. okay ... maybe I was hinting that she should slow down and get a good idea for what makes a cache good or bad but that does not reflect my opinion on cache placing at all. If she's a creative and energetic person, I'm sure they will all be excellent caches. -
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.. okay ... maybe I was hinting that she should slow down and get a good idea for what makes a cache good or bad but that does not reflect my opinion on cache placing at all. If she's a creative and energetic person, I'm sure they will all be excellent caches. -
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Originally posted by Mr. Snazz:... are you the cache police?
Take it easy. I'm not being critical of her. I wish I had the energy to place 11 caches and I've been doing this for six months. Are you the forum police?
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Originally posted by Mr. Snazz:... are you the cache police?
Take it easy. I'm not being critical of her. I wish I had the energy to place 11 caches and I've been doing this for six months. Are you the forum police?
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Wow ... so you will have 11 caches placed and only 3 finds?
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Wow ... so you will have 11 caches placed and only 3 finds?
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... or write about it in your log and provide coordinates. If people are interested, they'll cheick IT out.
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... or write about it in your log and provide coordinates. If people are interested, they'll cheick IT out.
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Originally posted by Rubbertoe:Just wondering if you had any more info on where Mapquest gets its imagery... I checked it out for the 43130 zip code, and it appears to be identical to the MS Terraserver data that USA PhotoMaps uses.
I have no idea where Mapquest gets their aerial imagery. I was using it to look at the Boise ID area and found that it is very old and black and white. However, if you look in the counties around Washington DC, it's color, hi resolution, and recent. The TerraServer imagery around DC is decent enough for every day use. ... especially with this tool since it is programmed to do all the downloading and pasting for you.
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Originally posted by Gliderguy:Find the logbook OR container OR at least two items of plundered remains and I think you can log a find.
This kind of rule reminds me of the Old Testament of the Bible. What is magic about two items of plundered remains? This illustrates my point that everyone's "numbers" has their own personal meaning. ... which is why this is not really a game or competition. If it was, there'd be more than "gentleman's" rules and you wouldn't use finds at all, you'd use points based on difficulty. SO why is everyone so hung up about it?
I understand the problem of people looking at smiley faces but not reading the logs. ... but I have little sympathy. You should not plan your day around yellow and purple faces (and that goes for everyone, not just geocachers).
I think the root of this problem is poorly maintained caches. If I so much received a report that someone couldn't find an element of my caches, I'd verify the caches condition within 24 hours. Who has a cache posted for a year when there is no cache?
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Wow ... we agree!
It should be appropriate for groups to all log a find even though probably only one of them actually "found" the cache and the rest were just in the vicinity. And especially if someone was just tagging along WITHOUT A GPSr in hand?!?!?
Where I disagree is that I think that people should leave some kind of log. Unless they have no brain, they must have seen something worth mentioning, scraped some member of their body, gotten some rash, enjoyed or disliked the cache experience ... SOMETHING. I guess that is another discussion but if you're going to call this a find, at least be polite and leave some comment.
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Wow ... we agree!
It should be appropriate for groups to all log a find even though probably only one of them actually "found" the cache and the rest were just in the vicinity. And especially if someone was just tagging along WITHOUT A GPSr in hand?!?!?
Where I disagree is that I think that people should leave some kind of log. Unless they have no brain, they must have seen something worth mentioning, scraped some member of their body, gotten some rash, enjoyed or disliked the cache experience ... SOMETHING. I guess that is another discussion but if you're going to call this a find, at least be polite and leave some comment.
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Originally posted by bretley42:What you may be looking for is PhotoMaps available at http://jdmcox.com.
EasyGPS is great, but for viewing your tracks over an image, this will work out very well.
This is excellent. Terra Server imagery is more out of date and B/W that Mapquest images in the DC area but this will work great for quick looks. Thanks for the tip.
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Originally posted by The Heavenly Host:The numbers do matter...
Do you mean [your] numbers do matter [to you]? or do you mean [my] numbers do matter [to you]?
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... But, then I think about running for geocaching president when I grow up and the congressional hearings going over each of my find logs. "Well, Mr. Morgan, it appears here on the 8th day of March, 2004, you logged as a find a cache in the Sands hotel in Vegas. Now, that hotel had been demolished over 6 years earlier. How can you explain this?"We're in this game for such different reasons that I can't put it in words ... which explains to me why this debate continues. I guess there are politics everywhere you go ... school, church, work, geocaching. I'm not aspiring to hold any office. If, one day, I am up for office of President of the United States of Geocaching, I will allow an impartial panel to review my "numbers" (after all, I'm "honest" in my log about what exactly I find). But in the mean time, it's between me and the cache owners.
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... I want [my numbers] honestly ... the right thing to do is log a 'not found'.Do you really see this as a moral issue?
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I use GPS Utility.
http://www.gpsu.co.uk/download.html
I download aerial images from Mapquest (pasting together several by hand for large area) and calibrate them using two known points on the image. At this point you can view your tracks over the images ... if you're using a laptop, you can walk around (or drive) and view your current position.
Obviously, this is not a quick and easy solution but once you've done it a couple of times, it works very well.
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Originally posted by Cheesehead Dave:I was one of the last people to log it as a find ...
Well said, Dave. There is clearly a category of cachers who are very focused on the log book ... and more importantly, how others choose to play this game. The whole concept of "finds" is specific to this website, not geocaching. Thankfully, Jeremy hasn't made a site-rule that a log book be signed ... so that each person can decide what he found or didn't find. Apart from the database of cache descriptions, I like geocaching.com to help me track which caches I've found. To me, the screws that once held a plundered but still active cache means I found it. I'm not trying to get to 1,000 finds by Christmas. I will state clearly that I found screws so as not to mislead future cachers. I'll even email the owner and recommend some maintenance. But what I won't do is tell people how to track their finds.
Numbers don't count. It's silly to say otherwise. It won't reduce your taxes ... there's no grand prize ... God won't let that last blunder slide ... you're spouse won't suddenly be nicer to you ... it won't pay for your kid's college or your dog's neutering. If you want to play more competetively, try using the alternate web-site where an attempt was made to make this an "honest" game where you need a code to mail to the owner to prove you "found" the box. Give me a break.
By the way, to respond to AllenLacy, therre's a difference between being in the area and having a picture of some trees where a cache might have been and finding pieces of a plundered or poorly maintained cache.
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It's been said many times before ... some people geocache for trinkets, some geocache for the "getting there." One could argue about what makes a find ... If the log book has been taken, is it "plundered"? If the conmtainer is gone but the log book is on the ground, can it be "counted"? I once logged a cache as "Couldn't Find It" untiul a few days later, and exchanged emails I learned that the milk crate that I sat on rubbing my temples after 45 minutes of searching was the camoflage that once hid the container. I changed my log to "Found It" because to me, I achieved the correct coordinates with certainty. The cache owner agreed.
Not every cache has screw holes or milk crates but as long as a cache is posted as active and part of the cache remains, I will log it as a find. It has very little to do with honesty.
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I agree that for future planning, there's no point to having a charity cache ... there are better and less risky ways to provide for the needy.
As for "The U.S. State Quarter Exchange", The_Mariner seems to be an active geocacher (although it's strange that he has a cache that was hidden on July 18, 2002? ... ah ... event cache). Surely he can be asked to revert this cache to a traditional exchange cache without archiving it. In case he hasn't checked his email lately, try contacting adventuretom (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/default.asp?A=11154) whom The_Mariner claims intoduced him to the activity.
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I can understand the argument that this kind of hint would have been more helpful if it had simply been left unencrypted in the description. I'm not missing that point. But you must keep in mind that there is no requirment for someone to leave any hint at all.
I also agree that a pointless encrypted hint only wastes time as you sit decrpyt it. But I do not see room for complaining that you felt "misled". In the end, you have the same amount of help as if there was no hint at all.
I can't speak for this person, but one way to protect the difficulty of a cache is to intentionally require that if someone wants a hint, that they make a second trip. Frustrating ... yes but certainly a valid thing to do.
But yes ... this may be a simple case of not thinking it through.
RE: Cell phones. I don't have a cell phone but if I did, I would certainly use it outdoors. I don't mind speaking to my wife or a friend (not that I don't consider my wife a friend as well) while I'm hiking or taking in a great view. I also regularly take a watch, shoes, GPS, walkman, pants, and many other things that don't grow on trees.
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Quite often, people choose to provide no hint at all. What would you have done if this had been the case? You'd probably go home. It seems to me that this person has given you the option of calling him directly which many-a-parnoid wouldn't do. I think it's great. If you don't have a cell phone or don't want to spend the $0.20 for a roaming call, just consider this a difficult cache with no hint and move on to the next.
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I once approached a cache where it was abvious to me that they were geocachers. I was excited to have met actual geocachers! Unfortunatley, they seems perturbed that I didn't wait at a distance. It's always left a bad taste in my mouth.
Washington D.C. caches...
in General geocaching topics
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If you're going to be in the area overnight and plan on doing any early morning caching, I recommend picking a couple of caches that lie along the Potomac River (Maryland or Virginia, you decide). You'll be rewarded with some very beautiful scenery that many locals have never seen.
You will have to proint them out yourself, though.
Carderock by sandsd (Ihaven't seen this one yet)
Ripley's Riverbend Cache by Ripley the Cairn Terrier
Poplar Town by Team Baccus
Unfortunatly, there are some excellent ones that have been confiscated by the Park Service.