FiveDollarGuitar

those were my thoughts exactly!! A lot of people do not know you are supposed to remove these from the bottles before you put the bottles into the recycle bin. No choice but to throw them out. Of course I don't mind. Mine are all within the theme of music/instruments. I did some research to find the right epoxy to use, this is a plastic hardener, and I came across this stuff called magic cast. It dries super clear, and without bubbles. There are a lot of steps involved in using it correctly to get the best results, just read the instructions with the product. You can buy it at most craft stores. Have fun!! hey and send me some pics if you make some, I would love to check em out! nice to meet you! 5$

Thank you everyone with your suggestions on this. I am going to think on it. either I will post photos to the caches I place them in, or I will just create a photo hosting account. Though my question seems answered, I still wouldn't mind it BlueDuece explained himself/herself. : ) TB logs?

Ok so I am losing any respect as an intelligent poster with this reply, BUT I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. TB log? travel bug logs right? wait ok wait a minute, are you saying you have a travel bug that you placed, and like a cache one can upload photos to their travel bug link? so you upload all your photos there? I am trying to understand, it hurts a little, thank god for my bottle of mother's day wine!!

That is an interesting idea. I was sitting here brainstorming, and I also thought that maybe I could make an account at like photobucket or something like that, and then upload all my pieces there. I believe there is an option on everyone's profile page to add a link to your website? if there is, and there is the ability to add a little description or a few words, then I could do it that way and anyone viewing my profile should be able to easily find their way to view my signature pieces if they like. (these signature pieces are turning into a lot more work then I was banking on, glue and scissors, "ok" creating websites just to share them, I mean, come on! LOL) what say you jack cache, to the idea of posting them as photos to the caches I leave them in?

Yep, that is what I thought. So, my next question is, "is it ridiculous to post photos of what you placed in the cache with your log of the cache?" is there any reason this is frowned upon? maybe because of the lack of surprise? thank you ~ 5$

Well, it is official, if I wasn't an annoying poster before, I am now. I just posted this question in another post. LOL apparently, right as you were answering it!! It does seem to appear to me that everyone's gallery photos are attached to cache find logs. So I think you may be correct about this. bummer. Maybe someone else will have some info on another way to do it, but I ain't holding my breath, I think we got it right. thank you for your kind compliments!! they mean a lot. much respect~ 5$

Hello all! Some of you I have met via my only other post, "new cacher with message for all" as for the rest of ya, nice to meet you!! I was hoping someone could answer me this simple question.... I notice several members have "galleries" with photos of themselves, their pets, themselves caching, their pets caching, whatever, you know what I mean. What I am wondering is how did you guys create galleries? I have been to "edit profile" but I did not seen any sort of upload option there. In fact the only place I see upload options are for profile photos, or photos to cache logs. I am trying to create a gallery of my signature pieces as I make them, before I leave them in caches, thinking I will probably never see them again. "be free, be free" I suppose if the only way to make a gallery is to upload to a cache post, then I could upload an image of the piece I placed in said cache. But that is not really what I had in mind, not much of a surprise there for cachers like myself who look at all the info on a cache before hunting it. any pointers? thank you much! ~5$ edited to include..... if you are curious I have posted pictures of my signature creations here: http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php...48662&st=50 on my first post, you have to scroll all the way to the bottom, past the little copper figurines.

thank you so much!! and I hope you do to!! maybe I could tie a tag to one and see if it might get sent along to a cache near you? not sure if that works with unregistered items. ~ 5$

That's awesome! and here I was thinking my custom swag was pretty alright. LOL you can see it here if you like. http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php...48662&st=50 and think you beat me out on authenticity and probably creativity...... BUT is this printed on recycled paper? much respect~ 5$

YAY!! I finally finished crafting a handful of my signature pieces that I have been rambling on about. I told a few of you (the ones that seem interested) that I would post pics here when I finished them. This is a first go, I have never made anything like this before so it was a little experimental. As time goes I am hoping I will only come up with better ways of execution. I would like to add these images, and the new images of the signature pieces I have yet to make, to my profile. I cannot seem to figure out how one goes about adding to their gallery. Anyone know how I would do that? (thanks in advance!!) This is the first one I made. There are words on the back of each of these. I didn't bother taking pictures of that. (thank me later : ) this one says, "may the music set you free" hence the wings and whatnot. I would say it was like a Freebird type theme, but I think that title belongs to someone else. These are each made out of about 3/4 recycled stuff. The main body of each is a plastic bottle cap. The words on the back of this one read, "celebrate the music of the world" ...and this one reads, "unlock the music of the heart" and finally. "take the time to take in nature's symphony" so there they are in all their glory. I hope I can get some tweaking worked out to improve on the whole project a bit. I placed two of them in caches today!! happy caching!

I sure haven't. Thanks for the info I will go check some of em' out now. (literally right now)

greetings huk! I guess this means I am running a little behind and I owe the forum another cache! funny, I hate shopping too!! I especially hate malls!! UHG. just the thought of them makes me grit my teeth. I hope I hang in this as long as you have. thank you for your welcoming to the geocache madness! oh, and the Lampoon spoof, I have read it before. There is actually another version as well, but I cannot post it here. I would have to 'bleep' too many words for it to make any sense. I do love the poem though, even if in someways it seems a little too hippy dippy, tree loving, wheat headed granola munchin' fantastical. Over all the message is an incredibly positive one. thank you! 5$

I know what you mean Jinx!! I too am already thinking about places to hide a cache. I am not going to jump the gun though. I want to find several first before making my own. I have read the "you want to hide a cache" info page and honestly, it sounds a little complicated and official. I understand it has to be this way to assure the quality and that the rules are followed. Hopefully once I have a better grasp on caches I will feel more confident in creating my own. I wanna make a BIG one. thank you for your "hello" and for sharing your story!! I hope this excitement never wears off. much respect~ 5$

Hello There Alabama!! I assure you I am no sock puppet or finger puppet or marionette! I have been learning all these words and acros by reading up. Call me crazy, but I really wanted to have a pretty good grasp on how this game works before setting out to play. I really didn't want to do anything that went against any kind of cacher code. The more I read and googled, the more I had to google more, mainly just to learn what the heck you guys were all talking about. All I can say is thank god for the geocacher glossary of terms. I am glad you liked the cache pieces I have placed already. Tells me I am on the right track! It is important to me to be a cacher that gives a happy, fuzzy feeling to those who take the time to find. It is only what I would hope for in finding a cache myself, so it seems fair. thank you for your faith in my honest participation, and your comment. I have absolutely no desire to experience or participate in the controversial or negatively dramatic side of geocaching! Just looking for the fun stuff!! much respect~ 5$

Where did you find that giant lighter? you should of seen me trying to drive that baby home in my four door toyota!! strapped it to the roof like a christmas tree.

Cool swag. And I like the bit of mystery in the log about what it actually is. why thank you. I hope I have been forgiven : )

it is very possible that banishment to hell is in your near future. bleh...where's the devil icon! LMAO I said I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do it!! I fixed it!!

holy heck!! those came out GIGANTIC!!! sorry bout that. obviously, I do not know what the heck I am doing. ~5$

It's been my experience that micros and nanos are unimaginative and for the most part placed because they are small and will fit almost anywhere, and because they are cheap to produce - often $0. At least larger caches that can hold swag, take a little more investment and a little more thinking when it comes to finding a good place to hide them, so they're likely to be a better caching experience. Good for you. Now you are a full-fledged participant. Really nice write-up. I'm sure the CO will appreciate it. I'm curious - how did you manage to fit an oil lantern and a metal coffee mill into a small-size cache? =) Well....... I was kinda going to leave that for the next person hunting that cache to wonder. LOL but since you are in Canada and not likely to go hunting it any time soon....... they are perfect miniatures made of metal and copper. they have moving parts and awesome detail. I have had them for years, they used to be my mother's, I enjoyed messing with them as a child. They are just little things that sit around and collect dust. I thought in the theme of this particular cache that they would make fun swag. I also have a small metal cash register, old fashion looking. It is also a pencil sharpener. I thought I would leave that behind as well, and call it the Cache Register, LOL but it did not fit into this particular cache. I am attaching some pics so you can get the idea. I have a bunch more of these little figures, but I probably will not part with anymore of them. : ) this is the cache register. this is it from the side. The drawer opens and closes and holds the pencil shavings. The handle (hard to see here cause this pic is a little blurry, turns to sharpen the pencil. and this is a little coffee perk I have. You can see they are pretty tarnished, but the copper shines through just a bit in places. Notice the filter piece come out. I placed it next to a lighter so you can get an idea of it's size. this is a little hutch cupboard. the doors and drawers all open and close. this has always been one of my favorite. and this is a small mixing bowl with a beater. the crank turns and the beaters spin. fun little piece, I likely will not be parting with this one either. I have several others besides these, but I think you get the idea. The lantern I placed looks like the old kind with the handle to carry or hang. nice to meet ya!! 5$

thank you temperance, clanriff, nymph, and webscouter for your replies! temp "Personally, I think the sig items you mention would be fun to find" excellent! like I said a while back in one of my responses to this thread, I cannot imagine signature items somehow being worse than hiking for miles to score a broken crayon. I understand that this game is only partially about the swag, but it seems as though it could be an awfully fun part of it. temp "One of my first finds contained two broken McD toys, a dirty head off of a stuffed bunny, and a jumble of stickers that had passed the accretion disk phase and formed themselves into a mini proto-planet." Love the visual of the mini proto planet! LOL It seems that some well thought about items you put into caches certainly helps when it comes to items that can stand the abuse of time, weather, and wilderness. temp "I decided to commit myself to trying to improve cache swag at that point by leaving new" this is my theory, and I know I haven't even started yet, but just by reading others' logs about what they have found in caches (both the good and the bad) it seems to me in theory that the more cachers willing to spend a little more time and thoughtfulness on their swag leaves, the better the swag might become for all players. You can certainly set an example, and while you shouldn't expect everyone to fall into follow, as long as your expectations are rational and your motives positive, I certainly do not see any harm in trying to improve swag in caches. temp "As far as TB's and coins go, there's no rush to go out and buy them." I hadn't even considered purchasing my own to leave, not yet. In all honesty, I only asked this question because I felt like (unnamed) was possibly just trying to be a smart arse with his comment and so I had to point out that by his description TB would be a complete waste of time and money. I would guess to say that 99% of all geocachers expect that a TB they place could quite likely become damaged or lost. However, if everyone simply began thinking, "it's just not worth it" then over time we may as well just make all caches nano or micro and skip any swag all together. I think the notion of TBs is a really cool one. I hope to find one someday, and I am sure at some point I will purchase one to place myself. clanriffster "Actually, that's not true. The few caches I own that are reasonably close to parking suffer from swag degradation as much as anybodies, but those that require a significant tromp through a swamp or paddling in gator infested waters actually seem to have an increase in overall swag quality over time. Initially, I attributed the lack of degradation to the fact that these hard to reach caches get fewer visits, but measuring swag quality in easy hides vs. difficult hides, over an equal number of visits, dispelled that myth. For those caches that I find, which are fairly simple, I drop in either a handmade Geocaching keychain or a mini baggie with some antique foreign coins, taking nothing in return. For those caches that take all day to reach, I drop a lot more stuff. I'm thinking that those folks who aren't P&G hunters might be following my example. Maybe? " those are encouraging points clan. I hope you are correct about the idea of setting an example. Like I wrote in reply to Temp, it seems to be this is a reasonable theory to work on and only to the potential benefit of all caches and cachers. Nymph: "I'd also like to think that when I drop really good swag that others will be inspired to do the same... maybe it's not completely true, but it's like the starfish story" I am so happy to be reading from more cachers that seem to agree with my thoughts on this than the ones that think I am wasting my time, that I am just green and stupid, or whatever. Yes it is true, we cannot expect that all cachers will add swag with a bit of mindfulness and heart, but does that mean that it is not worth doing what we can as individuals? does that mean we should all just give up and start placing broken used balloons, q-tips, or worn out happy meal toys? If the answer to that is a "yes" than why does anyone bother with having any sort of swag at all? May as well do away with all the different types of caches and just have micro or nano caches only. Also, if you have no interest in swag at all and plan to leave nothing, why is it too much to just sign the log book, ignore the swag, take nothing leave nothing, and go on to your next find? It seems as though with so many people participating in this game/sport it just makes sense to respect the old phrase "each to their own" and play the game the way that fits you best (so long as you can maintain a level of integrity and respect for other ways to play the game) webscouter "Thanks for the inspirational read. I look forward to receiving my hug. I have one question for you though, is it a hug for the initial post or one for each post of yours I read?" LOL if you count how many replies of mine there are (cause I haven't) I will happily mail to you an IOU a hug for each of them! webscouter "This keeps my thrill level high." I quite like your personal twist to the game. Making specific goals as to what kinds of caches and where you will find them. It is awesome that it is keeping the game that much more enjoyable for you. webscouter "Lastly, while I admire your patience and desire to have everything in place before you start I must warn you that when the addiction takes hold you will find that you cache at any opportunity. This means that you will have a few spare minutes and the knowledge of a cache that is near, your bag and stamp will be at home and you will search for the cache anyway. Since this is going to happen anyway you might as well start logging and enjoying the caches you find now with the knowledge and assurance that soon you will be caching fully armed with sig items and a full pack." I logged my first find last night, though I did find it a few days ago. I wasn't going to log that find until I had a signature item to go back and leave. I decided to skip that plan. Several of the logs to this particular cache seemed in some ways a little negative and since that wasn't my experience at all, I thought I should be sure to leave my two cents. I have gathered, from what some of you have written in replies to this post, that caches are often judged for quality according to what the cachers have logged about them. I might go back and leave a signature item later. I am looking forward to being addicted!! I may have to always keep my pack in tow, that way it doesn't matter when I get the urge. LOL webscouter "Welcome and hope to meet you one the trails one day." "PS. Don't forget to get the husband and kids involved. It is a great family activity." THANK YOU!! and I have told the kids all about it and, of course, they love the idea. My man, on the other hand, does even like to walk to the mailbox. LOL though he seemed to be pretty impressed with the whole idea of the game. He thought it was a neat creation. Maybe I will be able to get him out for just one cache find. (I was joking about the mailbox thing.....uh, kinda) I forgot to say again, thank you all for taking the time to read this thread and the extra time to add your comments! much respect~ 5$

also wondering, what about TB and other types of trackers? would you suggest not purchasing any of these for caches? thanks! 5$

I am not too sure I have appropriately gauged the tone of your reply. Inflection can be lost in text conversations. Quite obviously there is sarcasm, which is great, (on the right occasion at the right moment) sarcasm can sometimes be endearing. In fact I come from a long line of sarcastic peoples. However what has stumped me about your reply is what seems to be a message of discouragement. I do not think I will be able to moderate my enthusiasm, nor would I want to. As far as crappy caches, crappy cachers, or crappy cachees, two things immediately come to mind. First, I did mention above my sig. items are made of recycled PLASTIC (which we all know NEVER rots) and epoxy which will seal in and set all other materials of the item (I am not 100% on this, but I am pretty certain, that once dry, epoxy lasts for a pretty long time) I put some thought into making trinkets that could survive time, weather, and being handled. Second, if I place a piece in a cache and walk away I wouldn't really have any way of knowing what actually became of it. Whether it should just rot there, fall out, be intentionally destroyed, or taken and placed in another cache, or taken and cherished, how would I know? I suppose someone might contact me and say they have found one of my sig pieces, but other than that I kinda was thinking that I put the piece in the cache, walk away, and never know for sure. So if you are discouraging me from being creative with this game in this way, by making art, not only will I have to kindly thank you then ignore your advice, but I have to wonder why you would ever give such advice. Is this your advice to all geocachers who make signature items? Are you simply trying to save me a bit of trouble or time? if that is the case, thank you, but I want to do it. It is no trouble and the time is no sacrifice if it is enjoyable. thank you for taking the time, good to meet ya ~5$

Grocery bags for trash are on my list!! I read about the whole CITO creed and I think it is awesome. I hope that I manage to start a small (or bigger) collection of signature items myself. It will be great to see different people's creations. Someone (up above) mentioned that signature items annoy some people but I have to think they cannot be more annoying then finding a cache filled with old batteries, used balloons, broken crayons, or other questionable items I have read about. thank you for replying to my post!! all the best to you on your continued hunting!

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