Salvelinus

Not if I owned the cache. Any multiple find logs on any of my caches will get deleted. I dont want to promote someone else's agenda that the number of smiley faces they can collect actually matters. But you can do as you like on your caches. Salvelinus

Sometimes I wonder if they really think picking up that quarter 4 times really IS the same as finding a dollar. See the logs on This Cache. I'm still scratching my head, since it seems it was never found. Salvelinus

No your not Salvelinus

Please remember that wrapping caches up in plastic bags is a sure way to ruin it. It wont stay dry because small rodents love to chew the plastic and the bag will start holding water around the cache instead of away from it. Good CITO bags though! Salvelinus

Don't assume that cache exists. I also wonder if it has been maintained and verified as still there...I doubt it. In addition, the owner has found only one cache in 3 years and hasn't been on the site for over 6 months. Cone Z in Antarctica is the most extreme cache I know of that has had finders and is maintained. Salvelinus

Bellefonte, PA. Haven't moved since I responded to this thread over a year ago. Salvelinus

Even if you took Physics 19 years ago and only retained enough at that time to pass the course?

As a biologist with the PA Agency in charge of management of Reptiles in PA, I concur with your thoughts. I would only add more emphasis that NO snake should ever be killed just for being a snake. They are extremly important ecologically, and losing them would be sad indeed. In fact, PA may be adding the Timber Rattlesnake to its list of species of special concern listing habitat fragmentation as the #1 threat. What gets me are the people who build their homes in areas where snakes use to bask (habitat fragmentation), and they now see snakes all around their homes. Duh! Unfortunatly, the paranoia kicks in and they usually kill everyone they see. You can explain it to them until they are blue in the face but paranoia is a powerful thing. Most cachers I know are either very conscientious about snakes, or run the other way when they see any snake . Both of those situations usually bode well for the health of the animal. Salvelinus

Please don't take this personally since I know many others like this type of thing and won't agree with me. But...I would avoid a cache like this like the plague. For me its still about the cache location. I would rather do a cache where the placer put his creative mind into the location. Just give me the coordinates and I will get there and gladly share my feeling about what you wanted me to experience. I spent many years in college to get my AS, BS and finally my MS vowing to try and avoid anything remotely like taking an exam or defending a thesis again ...and I especially loathed all those semesters of Physics and Calculus. It's not that I mind thinking through something to find an answer, its just puzzle caches like these seem to much like taking a "pop" quiz on Friday afternoon before you can go play on the weekend. Man, I hated that. In any event...good luck! Salvelinus

I just asked QM about the new Pechins Cafeteria this past weekend. He said it wasn't open yet. Where are the Congsters getting their "fix"? Salvelinus

Site's back up and both of those look like great caches. I'm not sure I'll hit up the Polly one....a 4 terrain might not be something I want to do alone. I've done both of these while visiting Quest Master, Desk Jocky and Accident Prone Hiker. To me, the terrain for Sand Quarry was more "intimidating". But, if you can handle a uphill hike that is not too terribly long...you should have no problems completing Polly. It's another stage of the cache where you can "choose" how much terrain you want to tackle and the reason for the 4 star rating. You will need a bit more time for Polly than Sand Quarry. I don't want to give much away...but both of them are highly recommended! Salvelinus

If I'm not mistaken to what you are referring to, I believe that is Valley Forge National Park located in Chester County near Valley Forge. If so, geocaches are not allowed there. Keystone: Nice link to the gamelands maps. Not enough geocachers use them! Salvelinus

It won't do any good to just disable it in order to "clear you conscience". You would also have to physically remove it and even then its not 100% certain you won't have cachers looking for it. I see all the time in logs where a DNF was posted on a temp archived cache with the message "I should of read the cache page before I went looking for this one". I think you also need to keep things in perspective. The person looking for your cache on the gamelands has a far greater chance of having a car accident while driving to the gamelands than actually being involved in a hunting accident there. For some reason we have no problem accepting the far greater risk of automobile accidents while caching but seem to overract to issues of far less risk...like hunting, snakebites, bear attacks, ticks, etc... I personally don't cache in SGL's during hunting season only because I respect the idea that it is the hunter's opportunity to enjoy those lands they have pretty much paid for. Salvelinus

I check on all my caches regularly whether a disaster occured or not. It's mainly high water that will afftect mine, so after heavy rains, maintenance is usually first on my priority list. Salvelinus

Yeah there is a parking lot micro there and another thingy hidden across the road at the Cracker Barrel, but if you want to expore an interesting area...driive a short ways down Route 61 and do This Cache. Try to find the trail mentioned on the cache page and take that in. A bushwack from the backside really spoils what this cache is all about. It will also keep your feet dry! We were able to park right beside the trail during the winter last year even with plowed snow there, but it may of changed. This cache takes about an hour or two depending on your pace. The cache is on a SGL so consider wearing orange even outside the Mid Nov to Mid December required dates. Salvelinus edited for clarity

Pennsylvania has 94! Salvelinus

Good...they were added since my post. Salvelinus

Well...why are both of them still active without an SBA log? Someone local or connected with these should log a SBA note? I think Briansnat's scenario is the most likely. I've seen it happen before. Salvelinus

Like pedifiles who stalk kids in parks designed exclusively for kids? Maybe we won't agree, but I don't think your seeing what the law is saying. Whether you have kids or not has no bearing on enforcement of the law. It's so simple: If you want to visit the park you must bring along a kid. No different than if you want to visit Yellowstone Park you must pay the enterance fee. Stop letting your emotions dictate your thought and you will see it clearly.

Good advice! Here's some advice for the remaining 10% of the problems. I have had several caches stolen several times each and I know that they were not "stumbled" upon. In both cases, some nearby cabin "owners" (who actually lease them from the state) were told, by other cachers, the caches existed. Shortly thereafter, they went missing. Both of these caches were properly permitted and located on public land. I guess they either wanted the ammo cans or didn't want other people around...even though its public land. Some around here are funny like that. My solution was to make them MOC's. They have been fine ever since. I'm considering making all mine MOC's, just to keep the potential "riff-raff" from knowing where my caches are. Salvelinus

Or you could just not do the cache.

And they are fundamentally different, how? They both exclude me, a law abiding tax payer, from stepping foot onto public property, which I helped pay for, simply because I choose not to propagate. There statement specifically prohibits adults without children from entering, therefore it cannot be argued that the park is open for everyone. It's laws like this that only serve to punish the average law abiding citizen, while not affecting the actions of the law violating citizen in any measurable way. Kinda like most gun laws. Only those folks who obey the law are punished. I'm a single, childless geocacher. My nephews often like to geocache with me. If a kid's themed cache existed in that park I could legally enter the park and find the cache, if I brought them along. Even if I had children of my own, I would not be allowed in that park by myself. Nobody is being excluded because of who they are. The law only provides a condition that must be met in order to be allowed entry. I guess you would argue that park fees to be paid before being allowed entry into a park (ie. Yellowstone National Park) are discriminatory against anyone who can't afford to pay the fee. Especially vagrants, hermits and hobos. Salvelinus

You would be correct if the rules said "Adults who don't have any children cannot use the park"... but it doesn't say that. It says "Adults who use this park must accompany a child". That means, it is legally open to anyone, and you can bet they worded it that way on purpose. In practice, the rule may make someone without kids "feel" discriminated against, but legally, they are not. Salvelinus

Thanks for the reminder Pol! Just a clarification. "Non-hunting users of State Game Lands are only required to wear florescent orange from Nov. 15 through Dec. 15, except on Sundays. This one-month timeframe includes the bear and concurrent firearms deer seasons." Its still a good idea to wear it during all hunting seasons...as Polgara suggested. Actually, Hunters are not required to wear orange during the early archery season (October 1 to November 12). Here is a PDF file that visually shows what is required of Hunters and how much is 250 square inches. Salvelinus

That clears it up, thanks Lep. Seems the message should of been posted on the "other" forums.