Bear and Ting

quote:Originally posted by Gimpy: How would it fare when played with by a bear? "Gimpy" There are bears smart enuff to open ammo cans. I thought I was a little off, then I looked at my GPS and discovered I accurate to 12 ft. Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

quote:Originally posted by Gimpy: How would it fare when played with by a bear? "Gimpy" There are bears smart enuff to open ammo cans. I thought I was a little off, then I looked at my GPS and discovered I accurate to 12 ft. Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

quote:Originally posted by georgeandmary: What's wrong with a naked man being alone in the woods? I'm sure he expected to be alone too. Why would you report this person? george Remember: Half the people you meet are below average. Around here, he would be itching to get out of the woods or or running around like a man with his butt on fire(weeds). Nothin' in our woods but misquitoes, poison ivy, nettles, and a cache every one in a while. Bear & Ting I thought I was a little off, then I looked at my GPS and discovered I accurate to 12 ft. Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

quote:Originally posted by magellan315: TROLL ALERT!!!! Just check this guys profile, no caches found yet. After the guy with the machette and the red meat theory, we should recognize these people for who they are... Hey, this is the "getting Started" forum... he COULD be legit and we should give him the benefit of the doubt. He raises a legitimate concerns that should be addressed. Bear & Ting I thought I was a little off, then I looked at my GPS and discovered I accurate to 12 ft. Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

My wife and I got turned on to geocaching about 7 months ago. We average about 5 caches per day that we go out. Lately, it has been sweltering HOT out, but we go anyway, carrying lots of fluids. Well, I have lost over 12lbs. This is a great sport! Bear & Ting I thought I was a little off, then I looked at my GPS and discovered I accurate to 12 ft. Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

.... and start searching for ALL the ones on Indian reservations, think VERY carefully. Is this your land, your people, and your spirits someone may be disturbing? Perhaps it is, and I am not here to debate your beliefs or to demean them in any way. Most responsible cache owners respect other people beliefs and would abide by any request made by a property owner, a committee (such as a parks board), or a spiritual congress. But, before you condem all caches and cachers, think about this. Christians, Jews, Hindus, Islamic, and more all have burial grounds (or cemetarys). For many of us, it is a link to our past. For others, it is a link to history. Humans have marked the passing of time in many ways, from cave drawings to markers, from petroglyphs to head stones. All of these mark some period of time. I admit, though, that visiting some of these areas can cause damage. When we were in Hawaii (Maui), we visited "The Broken Bunny" cache. At the base of the hill were 'glyphs that were discovered in the 50's. However, there were few regulations and such then. When the archelogists decided they wanted to study them in the 60's, some people had desectrated them, placing their own "symbols" in the area. This sign near the area states that to the untrained person, it may be hard to tell the historical 'glyphs from the more modern ones. Does that mean they should all be off-limits? Personally, I don't think so, but it is not my call. If they mark a sacred area, perhaps. However, when I went to Europe in 2000, we toured many sacred and spiritual places, churches, where in the catacombs many people were buried. Did I feel I was descrating their tombs? No. Did I feel a connection with the past? Yes. As I stated in my "legal" post, if there is a problem with a specific cache, "Log your visit" and suggest it be archived. The admins and the cache owner will look into it. Bear & Ting I thought I was a little off, then I looked at my GPS and discovered I accurate to 12 ft. Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

.... and start searching for ALL the ones on Indian reservations, think VERY carefully. Ask yourself, is this true for ALL reservations, or just the one in question?? We, as responsible Cache owners DO try to abide by local laws and customs. However, we don't always KNOW the local laws. For example in Indiana, did you know that "Within four hours of eating garlic, a person may not enter a movie house, theater, or ride a public streetcar." This law is still on our books. Closer, perhaps to your home, in Arizona, did you know "When being attacked by a criminal or burglar, you may only protect yourself with the same weapon that the other person posseses." So, dump the mace and pocket knive, and forget about that gun you carry for self protection. My point is that this cache MAY be breaking the law, I don't know. I went to several sites concerning the "Off Roading", "Paved Roads", and the like for this area (Gila River) and only found mention ATVs and motorized bikes. I found no mention of SUV's or standard vehicles (even found a few sites promoting it). I would have to agree with the previous poster, if you do know (and even better, can provide proof), there are ways to "archive" a cache, which removes it from the list. "Log your visit", it is a link in the upper right hand corner of the cache page. On it is an option to "Cache should be archived". In the "Comments" section, put in the reason WHY it should be, including links to any proof. This will do three things, (1) email the geocache admins of a "problem" cache, (2) email the cache owner, and (3) post notes in the logs that there may be a problem. If there is a problem, the cache owner would visit the site and remove the cache. Realize though, that posts there can be edited and removed by the admin (and perhaps the cache owner). They may do this if your comments are deemed inappropriate or the "proof" did not pan out. I would chose my words there carefully. Don't be TOO general by saying "ALL indian reservations" require permits to take pictures when it is only the one in question. We, as cache owners, read other caches in the area so as not to place them too near each other. We also look for neat tricks and twists. We also use these forums to discuss our game strategy and keep each other informed. This concludes the legal aspect of my rantings. Bear & Ting I thought I was a little off, then I looked at my GPS and discovered I accurate to 12 ft. Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions! [This message was edited by Bear & Ting on July 06, 2002 at 07:56 AM.]

.... and start searching for ALL the ones on Indian reservations, think VERY carefully. Ask yourself, is this true for ALL reservations, or just the one in question?? We, as responsible Cache owners DO try to abide by local laws and customs. However, we don't always KNOW the local laws. For example in Indiana, did you know that "Within four hours of eating garlic, a person may not enter a movie house, theater, or ride a public streetcar." This law is still on our books. Closer, perhaps to your home, in Arizona, did you know "When being attacked by a criminal or burglar, you may only protect yourself with the same weapon that the other person posseses." So, dump the mace and pocket knive, and forget about that gun you carry for self protection. My point is that this cache MAY be breaking the law, I don't know. I went to several sites concerning the "Off Roading", "Paved Roads", and the like for this area (Gila River) and only found mention ATVs and motorized bikes. I found no mention of SUV's or standard vehicles (even found a few sites promoting it). I would have to agree with the previous poster, if you do know (and even better, can provide proof), there are ways to "archive" a cache, which removes it from the list. "Log your visit", it is a link in the upper right hand corner of the cache page. On it is an option to "Cache should be archived". In the "Comments" section, put in the reason WHY it should be, including links to any proof. This will do three things, (1) email the geocache admins of a "problem" cache, (2) email the cache owner, and (3) post notes in the logs that there may be a problem. If there is a problem, the cache owner would visit the site and remove the cache. Realize though, that posts there can be edited and removed by the admin (and perhaps the cache owner). They may do this if your comments are deemed inappropriate or the "proof" did not pan out. I would chose my words there carefully. Don't be TOO general by saying "ALL indian reservations" require permits to take pictures when it is only the one in question. We, as cache owners, read other caches in the area so as not to place them too near each other. We also look for neat tricks and twists. We also use these forums to discuss our game strategy and keep each other informed. This concludes the legal aspect of my rantings. Bear & Ting I thought I was a little off, then I looked at my GPS and discovered I accurate to 12 ft. Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions! [This message was edited by Bear & Ting on July 06, 2002 at 07:56 AM.]

quote:Originally posted by ROADCOW: Thanks Mitch. What do I know? I live under a redwood tree in northern californie. It just seemed like a good idea at the time because, you see, I retire in about 285 days and I am thinking about ways of getting myself set up to where I can hit the road and seek cache for sea to shining sea. Any suggestions appreciated. There is only one place that you need know about. Public Libraries! Even the rural ones have conenctions. Some of them charge you to print pages and in a few cases, some charge pennies for usage (more if you do not live in the area). And, if they do not have a connection, tell the librarian to contact the phone company to get connected. After all, we pay for their access on every phone bill through those misc. charges. Bear & Ting P.S. I envy you, wish I could retire. I thought I was a little off, then I looked at my GPS and discovered I accurate to 12 ft. Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

quote:Originally posted by ROADCOW: Thanks Mitch. What do I know? I live under a redwood tree in northern californie. It just seemed like a good idea at the time because, you see, I retire in about 285 days and I am thinking about ways of getting myself set up to where I can hit the road and seek cache for sea to shining sea. Any suggestions appreciated. There is only one place that you need know about. Public Libraries! Even the rural ones have conenctions. Some of them charge you to print pages and in a few cases, some charge pennies for usage (more if you do not live in the area). And, if they do not have a connection, tell the librarian to contact the phone company to get connected. After all, we pay for their access on every phone bill through those misc. charges. Bear & Ting P.S. I envy you, wish I could retire. I thought I was a little off, then I looked at my GPS and discovered I accurate to 12 ft. Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

Most of the responses here are that it is a "No Find". I have to disagree, however, it is also not a "find" since there was nothing there to find (unless it was virtual ). Anyway, since there are THREE choices there, I opt for the third choice of "Note". Yes, I was there, no I did not find it because it was simply not there. Even if, like in the case of George where he found the lid, the cache itself was not there. From personal experience in Florida, we found the shell (box) of a plundered cache and logged it as a "Note" so no one else would try for it. We also emailed the cache owner who suspended it within hours. He verified the cache was indeed missing and has since replaced it (in a different location). Bear & Ting I thought I was a little off, then I looked at my GPS and discovered I accurate to 12 ft. Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

Most of the responses here are that it is a "No Find". I have to disagree, however, it is also not a "find" since there was nothing there to find (unless it was virtual ). Anyway, since there are THREE choices there, I opt for the third choice of "Note". Yes, I was there, no I did not find it because it was simply not there. Even if, like in the case of George where he found the lid, the cache itself was not there. From personal experience in Florida, we found the shell (box) of a plundered cache and logged it as a "Note" so no one else would try for it. We also emailed the cache owner who suspended it within hours. He verified the cache was indeed missing and has since replaced it (in a different location). Bear & Ting I thought I was a little off, then I looked at my GPS and discovered I accurate to 12 ft. Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

quote:Originally posted by mtnsteve: Right of way on trails.... The person traveling downhill has the right of way. Uh...er.....I agree with MOST of your statements, but we were always taught in the scouts (many years ago) that UPHILL trekkers have the right of way. It is easier for a downhiller to stop and let the uphiller pass and then restart on their way down than it is for an uphiller to lose their momentum. Bear & Ting Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

quote:Originally posted by mtnsteve: Right of way on trails.... The person traveling downhill has the right of way. Uh...er.....I agree with MOST of your statements, but we were always taught in the scouts (many years ago) that UPHILL trekkers have the right of way. It is easier for a downhiller to stop and let the uphiller pass and then restart on their way down than it is for an uphiller to lose their momentum. Bear & Ting Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

.....you thought SCUBA diving was the most expensive sport you do only to realiaze that you've spent nearly twice as much on Geocaching and nearly all of it fits into a back-pack. Bear & Ting Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

.....you thought SCUBA diving was the most expensive sport you do only to realiaze that you've spent nearly twice as much on Geocaching and nearly all of it fits into a back-pack. Bear & Ting Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

....little shelter on a beach in Hawaii, but here in Indiana, it bothers us. We've seen "homeless huts" in a few areas and in one area, where they are cracking down, we did report it. Bear & Ting Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

....others do not. Ting and I leave our calling card in the caches we find (an Ancient Roman coin). One of the cache owners saw it in our log and thought it was a neat item. Instead of raiding their own cache, they looked to see if I had left any in their area in caches they had not found yet. Sure enough, there was one and they went and got it from that cache. Who says it is not about the stuff? Just my two Denarius. Bear & Ting Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

quote:Originally posted by Mudfrog: Hhhmmmmm i allways thought i was a little bit off! I thought I was a little off, then I looked at my GPS and discovered I accurate to 12 ft. Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

quote:Originally posted by Mudfrog: Hhhmmmmm i allways thought i was a little bit off! I thought I was a little off, then I looked at my GPS and discovered I accurate to 12 ft. Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

...look at the person to your right.... ...if they appear normal, you probably are not. Check out this little article I found today. Way to go Texas cachers!!! I always knew I was abnormal and now I know why! Bear & Ting Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

...look at the person to your right.... ...if they appear normal, you probably are not. Check out this little article I found today. Way to go Texas cachers!!! I always knew I was abnormal and now I know why! Bear & Ting Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

quote:Originally posted by barondriver: Jeremy you are wrong. If it doesn't interest you don't take it. Under no circumstance should you raid someone elses cache unless it is illegal, immoral, dangerous, or has an obvious problem that cannot wait for normal contact. I find it hard to say RIGHT and WRONG here, but what do you consider illegal or immoral? I mean, a cache filled with CDs of that "Rock and/or Roll" music would be considered immoral by some christians. Should they all be raided or removed immediately? According to you, they should be. But then, you would be imposing your moral values on us, wouldn't you? Morality is a matter of perspective and interpretation, core beliefs handed down through the ages. Stories teaching us right from wrong have been told and then written throughout the ages. As one storyteller embelishes his story in one way, another tells it is his own fashion. Such is human nature. Bear & Ting One Nation, under it all Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

.....can we tag him as a travel bug???? Bear & Ting Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!

quote:Originally posted by GeoStars: quote:Origianally posted by Warm Fuzzies - Fuzzy:On the other hand, you'll waste your entire day just doing Perfectly Perplexing Puzzles We have two teams working on puzzle two and neither are making much progress. We swap ideas via e-mail and come up with great theories, just can't seem to get them to work with the actual puzzle. We'll keep at it until we get it though! GeoMedic - team leader of GeoStars That settles it, we will have to get up to Ft wayne!!! Bear & Ting Geocachers don't NEED to ask for directions!