Shawn&Holly

I think it is tied to your geocaching.com account, if a member has never visited the forums then they don't have a forum account. If they then visit the forums after a few years, their join date is tied to the join date of their geocaching account and not when they first visited the forums. Might be what you are seeing.

I have never understood this myself, so far a coin and a TB still remain in 2 separate event, one over a year ago. We are not placing the travellers on the table anymore, if we take a traveller to an event we try personally hand off to cachers we know.

Why hang up the GPSr? Winter just adds to the challenge but not a reason to stop caching, actually one of my pet peeves is when a cache is removed on a weekend for winter, usually the day I am looking for it.

Hmm, we just did a test transaction and all went though ok. Could you try again? Nope, same think and it makes me login twice, done this many times before without a problem. Can you put a set aside and bill me, or I can try again later if others have no problems.

Not sure what disturbs me more, nicking yourself with the razor or the pregnancy, in the same paragraph, does make one wonder.

Tried to place an order (have it in the shopping cart), went to pay with PayPal and it indicated that there is a problem with your email address and PayPal aborted. Nice coin

This month, we got Cherry Preserves, Peach Pecan w/cherries in Amaretto, and Wild Blackberry Jam. You got cherry!!! All we got was plain old Grape. I got beer. You got BEER!!!! Mine must have been stopped at the border, dang border guards!

Works for me

I have to go though my watchlist, but as mentioned it is work and everyone should have been emailed when the cache was archived, you just don't get that many emails from archived logs so it ends up not high my my to do list. I would not worry about the watch list of the old cache or new cache, not much you can do about removing watchers, transferring them or getting them to watch the new cache. Besides that, as mentioned, logging a note will email the watchers.

I have actually found after a DNF on our own cache, old age and senility I say, but I logged it as a note when I relocated (ok the wife pointed it out) the cache. If you find a cache, then adopt it, I would let the find stand as I have on one of our adopted caches, but would not log a find on a cache we have actually hidden (but I would log a DNF on a cache we own, if I could not find it). If someone else logs a find on their own cache, and I have seen a number of finds as such by a number of cachers, most done so by mistake, dropping a TB or after checking their cache, I don't worry about it or their numbers, just my own. I find it funny that I was just looking for a thread I posted to a few years ago and found another thread with the same question that I posted to a long time ago.

I have noted a huge increase in caches placed here over the last 2 years, in our home town, the number of caches are decreasing. I think having a number of well placed caches is a good thing and the best thing to do is hide caches you like to hunt and hopefully cachers in the area will enjoy them and hide quality caches also. I also do not see the relation between park&grabs and number hounds, we like park&grabs as well as moderate hikes and caches that takes you to historic locations and great views (the latter might just be a drive up cache, done many of them). Don't think we are number hounds, just get out and enjoy the hobby as such at your own pace, looking at your cache hides, would love to visit and find a few, but it is a bit more of a drive then we can do

I seem to recall a quote about opinions and body parts, but it probably wouldn't go over very well in this forum. If pushing the SBA button is your thing, by all means, don't let me infringe upon your right to do so. Dial Geo-911 to your heart's content. All I would ask is, if you find yourself caching in Central Florida, don't hit the SBA on one of mine because someone gave you a dirty look or spoke harshly to you. We have some of the finest reviewers in the country here, and they will assure you none of my caches should be archived. I would not call 2 times in 5 years my thing, if I look for one of your caches and the property owner calls the cops on me for being there, I will most likely log an SBA, if you have permission for all of your caches, then there should not be any problems. Since I was not at the cache the OP stated, I would have to say from the given I might log an SBA log or I might email the cache owner, all depends on where everything is at, school board property, which is not indicated on the maps or description might also change things when I got yelled at. I don't do anything out of the ordinary and try to keep to the trails as close as possible, just have bad luck and timing I guess, just apoligize and leave politely.

You make way to many assumptions. First permission may very well have still been valid. When you buy a business where the prior owner gave permission for the cache, you are going to get the cache on your new property. This isn't subject to debate. It's reality. If you have rats living under your floorboards you are going to get them as well. The cache owner should re-introduce the new onwner to the cache but they first need to know that the business changed hands. As for the new employees "needing to know" you are right about that as well. However the person who's manages the property doesn't always remember and the cache owner isn't obligated to teach geocaching 101 to each employee even if they are willing. You relocating the cache may or may not have been the right thing to do and I'm completly unsure of what you mean by replacment cache. I don't recall any police action that you mentioned but apparenly you had some fun in that regard as well. 1000 caches here. No police*. Some people have all the luck. *Edit: That's not litterally true. Cachers in front of me and behind me have been stopped. Just not me and those with me. The cache owner relocated his cache after we were told to leave the property and were not permitted to rehide the cache, the cache in question is here GCGE6Z, not making any assumptions, we were told ownership changed, previous owners had given permission as per the cache page description (this has been changed when the cache was relocated off property), it does not mean the new owners will be thrilled about it. The cache owner talked with the new owners and then the cache owner relocated his cache. I just returned the original cache to the new location beside the replacement cache as it was not my cache and I did not want to remove it in the first place, had little choice in the matter, interesting story when told in person. If you buy a property with rats under the floorboards, just because they came with the house does not mean you have to accept them and not have them exterminated and removed. I did mention that the police or in PN, state troopers were to be called, that is when I left, not worth the hassle for me or anyone else.

If busted busted, I usually just tell the truth, give the website address and waypoint of that cache if they seem interested, should print out some brochures. If not caught with the cache, I leave and return another day to find the cache or take the cache with me to not give it away. Only had to take the cache once, a couple of weekends ago, some teens walked past and sat about 20m from the cache site while we were signing the logbook, ironically the cache is called "Thieves don't steal me now!". At the vehicles while we were planning our next cache, they left and I ran back in and rehid the cache. It all depends on what scale of busted and who did the busting, I seem to lose my keys often.

I don't think employees or property owners are wacko and I don't think my SBA logs were inapprobriately posted, thanks, I do hope that the next cacher will not run into the same issue once resolved. If I do run into a wacko and I have a right to be there, I just email the cache owner with the problem and mention it in my find/dnf log.

Elementary school hall monitors would love you, Brother. Sending an E-mail to the owner & the reviewer would also accomplish your stated goal of alerting them about a problem. But it would not alert the next cacher after me and is also my goal.

Your own example underscores the foolishness of automatically accepting some random person's claim of "trespassing" or "private property". Surely the picnic tables at a rest stop qualify as public property, or at least property intended for public use! Anyone trying to tell me otherwise at a rest area picnic table had darn well better be wearing a badge and carrying a sidearm; otherwise, I'm just going to treat them like the whack job they are. I was stopped at the picnic table as it was night and I had a flashlight, I asked if it was ok to be where I was, he said it was but not at night. The cache itself was in the woods, I explained what geocaching was, and was going to show him what I was looking for, the moment I stepped into the woods he said I was now trespassing on private property, I stopped looking at that point as it was not worth pushing the issue and getting the state troopers involved. The cache page never indicated a time not to look for a cache, we often travel late and I jump out at rest stops to pick up a cache or 2 along the way.

Your bad luck seeking a cache with full permission to be there is a reflection on the cache owners hide? Morons abound in the world. Here some people close off public roads because it's convienent for them. Then they chase off those who are using a legitimate trail. It's fair to point out the problem, it's unfair to blame the problem on the cache. The cache isn't creating the danger, the moron doing the yelling is. Your sparring use of the SBA log is a good thing. Nope, of the one I found, the hide was good, the permission was no longer valid due to change of ownership and the cache was relocated across the street off property where I placed the original cache next to the replacement cache for the cache owner to pick up. The rest stop, never found the cache and the employee who tossed us out off the property was new, there, permission had to be re-verified, with talking with the cache owner, the previous attendants use to help cachers find the cache, only posted a SBA due to indicated police action.

It also opens up the area to another cache to be hidden. So while the owner is trying to resolve the issues surrounding their cache, they can literally lose the ability to reactivate it to another cache newly activated in the area. Unless there is a life or limb issue, use the SBA with due caution. Alleged tresspassing without appropriate signage is not life or limb unless someone pointed a gun at ya. I think being threatened to be arrested and charged with trespassing is due cause as with my past experiences in open to public areas, one a parking lot of a motel by the motel manager (I was within 5 feet of the street and the cache stated to park in the parking lot instead of the side of the road and had full permission of the motel which I showed to the motel manager) and second a rest stop where I had not even made it to the cache site, just a picnic table. As far as opening up the area to a new cache and losing the spot, I think if the reviewer archives the cache will notice it if another cache is placed to close and would most likely double check permission and give presidence to the existing cache if permission is pending. Only in the most extreme cases I would SBA a cache, in 5 years as a cacher, I have only requested 3 caches due to trespassing to alert the local reviewer and other cachers of a problem with the cache, I don't think anyone needs to be arrested finding a cache, if someone pointed a gun at me, I would be making a few phone calls also.

You are correct. Just because someone is confronted doesn't mean that a cache should be archived. But if the person confronting claims to be a representative of the land owner and that the public is not welcome there, the responsible thing to do is to archive the cache and let the cache owner work things out. Its best that we err on the side of caution when dealing with potential irate landowners and their representatives. You never know who they know and all you need is one connected landowner and you might find yourself dealing with a situation like there was in SC last year. If the lady in question was out of line and the geocache is welcome on the property, it can be reactivated with the click of a mouse. Its not like issuing an SBA blows up the cache. Exactly, if permission was granted, then there should be no problem in allowing the cache to stay or if archived, having it reactivated. Public property vs private property is the underlying problems we currently face here in Ontario Provincial parks and Parks Canada National sites, my tax dollars fund these properties and I even own a cache at the edge of a provincal park at a rest stop. When speaking with the park superintendant I found out the rest stop was actually part of the parks property and they were considering having my cache removed (thought it was DOT and the staff at the info center saw no problem with the cache and its location, some staff even logged a find). Knowing this, I asked the superintendant directly for permission to leave the cache in place to which he noted it was not currently causing a problem and allow it and another outside the gate but on property to stay. When asked if I could place another cache inside the park, or even outside the gate, I was told no and he does monitor the site for new caches. I hope we can work out a proper agreement with both park systems, but I am not permitted to hide a cache on publically funded property as per the property managers wishes.

In this case we have someone chasing after 2 cachers from the nearby building asking what they are doing there, upon stating they were just going for a walk, they were told the following "DID YOU KNOW YOU ARE TRESSPASSING ON SCHOOL BOARD PROPERTY?!" and "GOOD! DON'T COME BACK!", would you want the next cachers to be subject to this or if spotted entering the property going for the cache, to have the police called and waiting for them upon their return. Maybe in this case they entered from the wrong angle and the cache is in fact not on school board property and if it is a public school I don't see where this gives you a right to be there. So yes, to alert the cache owner and reviewer I would post a SBA log, this does not get the cache automatically archived, but does alert the owner and reviewer of a problem that needs immediate attention, don't think I am being a cache cop, if I were, I am sure there are many, many caches I could pick a guideline issue with and request them archived also. I also don't think I should have to check into the permission and property issue as a cacher seeking a cache. There are a number of new caches here I have recently found that made me a little weary when I found them, but I do assume they were placed there with permission, I have not had any of these archived, that would be being a cache cop.

Since the cache owner has said they have adequate permission in order to have the cache listed, permission should be assumed for each cache you seek. In other words you give the cache owner the benefit of the doubt. It's the job of the cache owner to look into a problem. I agree it's not up to the finder to figure out things, but they should be working with the cache owner to let them know there may be a problem with the cache and that they did have a problem while seeking it. I always give the benifit of the doubt and while being escorted off property I indicate that I was told that permission for the cache and myself were given allowing me to be there for the purpose of geocaching. I do find it a slap in the face, in a more ways then one, when permission was not obtained and I was in fact trespassing as no cacher seeking a cache should be placed into that situation in the first place and that any and all employees of the property be informed of the cache and activity. It is only in the most extreme case I will request that the cache be archived, being next to a school and yelled at by a school board employee, I would request it archived until permission was confirmed. BTW, congrats on your 100 mark&beth Still counts as a find

The permission legwork should have been done before the cache was hidden and should not be up to the cacher that was confronted on/entering/leaving the property. Depending on the situation, yes, the cache should be requested archived until permission is confirmed or still valid. Both times I was thrown off of property, I was on the road far from home not about to find out who owned the property, just apoligize and leave. I requested the cache archived so others did not encounter the same problem.

I would, as I have in the past, log an SBA on the cache. So far we have been removed from 2 properties and in both cases, permission was actually granted for the cache placements, but this was not known at the time. The first, the property was sold and the new owners did not want the cache there and it was relocated. The second and most recent was at a Pennsylvania rest stop, found out these have attendants 24 hours a day (2 at this one). We were in another country (visiting from Canada), told being in the woods was trespassing (never made it to the woods, he stopped me at a picnic table since it was 11PM and I had a flashlight, well it was dark out) and items should not be left on state property without permission. They did not believe my explaination of geocaching, said it looked more like a drug drop and they were considering getting the state troopers involved if we did not leave the rest stop immediately (never been thrown out of a rest stop before, our only no find for the trip). This cache did have permission, but the attendants, being relatively new, was not informed about the cache as they stopped another cacher the next afternoon. It is never fun when it happens, we just let them know what we are doing and leave when requested, then inform the cache owner of what happened as soon as possible as I would not want to see anyone else stopped or arrested, not worth it. Also stopped caching at rest stops in Pennsylvania for the remainder of the trip, but have a good story for events about that part of the trip. As far as caches being on school property, without express permission and depending on the school, a cache should not be placed there no matter which country you are in. Public access to a property does not make it public property.

I cannot remember how I have these or where they are centered (think it might have been with google) I have my Niagara Falls PQ centered around N43 06.855 W079 05.471 Good luck and hope you find some caches on your visit, we did not have the chance when we drove through last month.