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This is a category where all way marks are voted on by the officers. It consists of way marks deemed not belonging to their category of choice, because the way the rules were written. OR it may be something unique that will never have a category of its own. OR something for which a category is yet to be devised. If there is eventually a category it will be grandfathered. BUT it is interesting and should be a waymark. The officers can negotiate with officers of the original category and get it accepted. This would be a way for the way marker to get their waymark voted on (especially if they think it should have been accepted). By definition this is a category of the unique! The rules for what needs to be written up are the standard items title, location, coordinates, dates, description short and long can be created (standard so they copy over if the item is accepted in the original category) This could be a way to move them over to a new category.. This could be a way to try out new category ideas to see if there is a demand out there..

Is there anything I can do to move this along? It seems to be caught in limbo.

I don't believe Smithsonian sculptures are excluded anywhere. I think I have a lot of double posting I could do.

15 out of 107 of mine are in cemeteries. Not a hugh overlap. I don't live in a big city, they would have more outside of cemeteries.

Some of the above statues would fit hourglass, musical (pan flute), angels...It really shouldn't be a problem. Many of the statues on the Smithsonian list are in cemeteries. But many cemetery statues are not on the list. A statue may be cast from the same mold and therefore a replica. This is different than cheap, mass reproduced. I have submitted statues in cemeteries not associated with a grave that have been accepted. Do we do all statues in cemeteries? There are companies that do produce standard, duplicate statues but they are by no means cheap. They should be ok. It is the lawn ornament, particularly those left at gravesite that are not interesting.

It would be nice to make the category as inclusive as possible instead of worrying about a statue fitting multiple categories.

Actually the easiest path would be to remove that one line from figurative sculpture and not exclude cemetery art. It stated because it could be way marked elsewhere, which is not the case. Actually there might be a problem because they exclude particular people. It may be difficult to tell if the statue represents the person in the grave. There are categories for historical persons but not your average person.

I was just in a cemetery and knew there were Smithsonian listed statues. Since I couldn't find a map to correlate the Smithsonian statues to locations we drove around and took photos of statues. We got half a dozen. Oddly enough only one matched the Smithsonian list, so I have a number of statues ready for this category. What is holding this one up? Does someone just need to create it so it can be voted on? How does that work? I saw the link to the category in the other thread. What is the next step? This has been just hanging around for almost a year. Five years if you count when it started.

I found the old topic, it was awhile ago. I see the link with the category. What is the next step?

I was just in a cemetery and knew there were Smithsonian listed statues. Since I couldn't find a map to correlate the Smithsonian statues to locations we drove around and took photos of statues. We got half a dozen. Oddly enough only one matched the Smithsonian list, so I have a number of statues ready for this category. What is holding this one up? Does someone just need to create it so it can be voted on? How does that work?

I know of at least one.

I like this idea. I have had buildings rejected by bandshells for not having complete 3 sides (only partial). Also have had amphitheater rejection. These are very restricted categories. There is a local stage constructed in a park where they have been doing Shakespeare in the Park for a number of years. It would not fit in either amphitheater or bandshell.

Coming to this late but I looked at the description. It said funeral, cemetery statues should be way marked elsewhere. I remember a category proposed for them, did it survive?

I photo-shopped a waymark to prevent a spoiler, removing text from a tombstone photo. I have found waymarks that can be used as spoilers, often signs. It makes it easy to do the coordinates from home instead of on site, they can be entered beforehand. Many waymarkers are cachers, few cachers are waymarkers. We are a couple who do both, but one prefers Waymarking, the other caching. We do joint trips that are both. It depends on whether the spoiler is really an issue. If it is a virtual or a multi it might be, it would allow people to post without being there, or to bypass steps. If it just is 2 steps the first a sign giving you coordinates to the real cache, I don't see a problem, you still have to find the cache, it just lets you do the setup ahead of time. If people are that much into numbers that they would cheat on a virtual and not go there, it is kind of sad. I can see the advantage of skipping steps, now that long hikes are an issue, but I don't care about caching enough to bother. So the answer is three answers, I change waymarks, I don't think most cachers are going to look for waymarks, and sometimes it just doesn't matter. I take it case by case.

"Mortuary Chapel" works. It is the name given to them in Rural Cemetery movement.

The name they were given in the Rural Cemetery movement was mortuary chapels. "Real chapels" would probably be under churches. They have funeral services which gives them chapel functions.

The German chapel is gorgeous. This is going to be a good category.

Finally found the link for the vote!

I am ok with the way the category is now. I think the description is clear. It is too bad we can't include funeral homes, I really liked that one in Hawaii with the webcam! Think it is worth the trip to Hawaii to waymark it as a funeral home? Since it can already be way marked I guess it isn't a loss. This description will handle the chapel I started with. Go for it, onto the next step.

"cemeteries had to accommodate services, crematory functions and the storage of remains during frozen conditions, they required the creation of a new building type: the mortuary chapel." This provides a pretty good definition: buildings in cemeteries that "accommodate services, crematory functions and the storage of remains during frozen conditions". Funeral homes fit this description. The reason for omitting them is only to avoid duplication. Different categories list categories that disqualify waymarks. If they fit these categories they can't be in this one. Some categories allow inclusion such as the churchyard cemeteries doesn't keep you from putting the church into a church category or the cemetery into a cemetery category. Categories such as dated buildings are never excluded by the duplication rule. We can be safe and exclude funeral homes or include funeral homes that are in cemeteries and use the churchyard example. (Removing them if it is a sticky point for approval.) All the other overlap categories can be made distinct. The two mortuary chapels in way chapels would probably be grandfathered, but not accepted after mortuary chapels or cemetery chapels is approved. I think funeral homes in cemeteries is a more recent development and you don't see them around me, because the cemeteries are older. There are probably more further west where settlement came later. I would not see any to post, but others obviously would. I don't know how common it is. If most funeral homes are in cemeteries, you wouldn't want them, if only a few then why not. Chapels as part of churches I see as more problematic. Services obviously wouldn't be enough. If they were ONLY used for funerals, and storage of remains or cremation AND they could be separated from the main church AND they were in a cemetery, a case could be made.

In 1974, a small group of local investors purchased Mililani Memorial Park & Mortuary. Our purpose in acquisition was to become a full service Memorial Park and Mortuary that offered an extensive selection of memorial arrangements at affordable costs. Families find comfort and convenience with all services and burial arrangements done at one location. http://www.mililanimemorial.com check out the webcam

http://www.old-new-orleans.com/NO_Mortuary_Chapel.html Their fears were understandable, between 1817-1860, Yellow Fever epidemics struck the city 23 times, and the cause had yet to be identified. Land for a mortuary chapel was chosen at the corner of North Rampart and Conti Streets, within walking distance of St. Louis (No. 1) Cemetery and construction began on the church, whose sole function would be to bury those who died during Yellow Fever season, from July to December.

Story Chapel, just inside the main entrance to Mount Auburn Cemetery, in Cambridge, Mass. The cemetery, founded in 1831, is the first landscaped cemetery in North America.

http://www.dignitymemorial.com/en-us/overview.page Mount Auburn Funeral Home opened in 1997 and is the first funeral home ever to be built within cemetery grounds in Chicago’s western suburbs. The Frank Lloyd Wright-influenced prairie style funeral home contains two chapels within its 12,000-square-foot structure. We are now proud to be a member of the Dignity Memorial® network where we are committed to helping all of our families with compassionate, professional and personal service.

http://syracusethenandnow.org/Architects/Silsbee/OakwoodMortuaryChapel.htm The rural cemetery movement began in America in 1835 with the Mount Auburn Cemetery in Boston. The movement came to Syracuse in 1859 with establishment of the Oakwood Cemetery in, what was at that time, farm land beyond the city proper. Because these cemeteries had to accommodate services, crematory functions and the storage of remains during frozen conditions, they required the creation of a new building type: the mortuary chapel.