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  1. On 9/22/2021 at 5:43 AM, Andy324 said:

    Started this with my niece who I'm now homeschooling and we just made our first stop at a place but couldn't find it anywhere. It was said to be an easy one and I can see lots of activity but we couldn't find anything anywhere. What are we even looking for?

    Where are you located? If you're anywhere around Amarillo TX I'll take you guys out caching and show you what's what. I'm sure some of the others here would do the same.


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  2. 17 hours ago, colleda said:

    "Other" gives no indication of size at all. It gives no indication that it can accept trackables or could contain swag.

    "Other" is meant to give you the idea that it's not just a simple micro/small/et al. A conscientious CO would include pertinent information on the cache page. 


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  3. 18 hours ago, barefootjeff said:


    A special case, yes, but I have three caches hidden in a national park where one of the parks service's rules is no swag or trackables. Should these be listed as micros even though they clearly aren't?




    When I go out caching, my goal is to find the cache, not somewhere to dump a load of swag. I want the size rating to indicate how big the thing is I'm looking for so I can narrow down the range of places I have to search at GZ. If it's listed as a micro, I'm going to be focusing on places someone is likely to poke a micro into, like a knot-hole in a tree or small honeycombing in a rock, rather than the larger hiding places like a deep rock cavity or a tree stump, especially if it has a low D rating. I'm not interested in swag and rarely have trackables to drop, so insisting the size rating be based on those makes it useless to me.


    Here's another one of mine:




    If I filled it with water it would hold a few hundred millilitres so I've listed it as a small. The logbook is rolled into a cylinder, put inside a small plastic bag along with the pencil and pushed into the crocodile's mouth. No room for swag or even a trackable, but I'm not going to change it to a micro because that would make it too hard to find. Anyway, it's not in a place where someone is likely to bring young kids looking to swap toys, it's meant for cachers who want to take on the interesting hike through the wetlands and get a bit of an idea of how big the thing is they're looking for so they can find it, sign the logbook and get back to civilisation before the tide comes in.

    A "few" years ago I did a collection of caches in a rather large park, called Monty's 50. There were/are 50 caches that are micros, but are hidden inside something. I think Monty must have raided his kids' toybox or something! Here's the first in the series: https://coord.info/GC4JQ0Y  If you're in that area, on the Ohio/PA border near the Ohio River, I highly recommend checking out this park. There are a lot more than just these 50 caches in there, and no matter what kind of terrain you like, you'll find it!


  4. 17 hours ago, Kæmel said:

    I have 2 caches. The box with the log itself is micro and only contains the log. But is hidden in a small 25x15 cm concrete bear. And the other one a 20x10 homemade concrete stone.

    Would you choose this caches as micro or like regular? 


    Can I leave swag or expect to find any? No? Then it's a micro. Might go with "other" to explain the larger container the micro is inside.


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  5. On 8/28/2021 at 5:35 PM, niraD said:

    If you want to have a second conversation with that cache (e.g., about a different topic), then oh HECK no!!


    And so on. I find the email works so well for conversations with geocachers that I see no need to use the Message Center with all it's limitations.


    Here's one limitation - you want to contact a couple of cachers you met at a meet-and-greet to see if you all want to plan a caching trip. But you don't have their emails, because most people don't walk up to someone and say "Hi, I cache as XX but my real name is ZZZ and my email is aaa@bbb.ccc - what's yours?"


    Now I know you're going to jump on that, because I used the example of new acquaintances, who would logically not be on your Friends List. But you can't include multiple recipients sending any messaging that goes through GC. 



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  6. On 8/29/2021 at 4:12 PM, TeamRabbitRun said:


    Wow - So much aggression!


    If one is looking for something specific, like aggression, one can find it anywhere. In this case, I initially interpreted your reply to my post as snarky, and was going to reply in kind, until I decided to sit on it a bit. I'm still not sure if your post was sarcastic or something else negative, but in the end I replied without the vitriol I could have used.


    On 8/29/2021 at 4:12 PM, TeamRabbitRun said:


    Ed, I fear you've taken my very narrowly targeted opinions and interpreted them very broadly. And, you're wrong in your assumptions of "what I'm against". That specific topic I've written about before, with pretty well defined reasoning


    Not sure how to reply to that without sounding "aggressive" to someone who's all primed to spot aggression everywhere. How do I say "Excuse me for not researching everything you've written for hints on how to interpret your current posts" without sounding aggressive? But wait - you're in Noo Yawk. Isn't everyone aggressive-sounding there? And in Joisey, too? 


    On 8/29/2021 at 4:12 PM, TeamRabbitRun said:

    (Is it 'Ed', btw? Mine's Bill.)


    Wow, that's some tiny print! Yes, I'm Ed. I started doing this when you could still get your name as your cache handle.


    I used to be a lot closer to you - we moved here to Texas last Fall, coming from Youngstown Ohio.


    On 8/29/2021 at 4:12 PM, TeamRabbitRun said:

    As for your last "Why Don't We" paragraph: also based on a misunderstanding of what I wrote. It isn't 'change' that I'm against, it's the trend to make all technology look like all other technology with no regard to the effect it has in a specific instance. I don't care if a change makes things easier or more comfortable or more familiar; rather I'm concerned with whether or not it's in line with the best interests of the hobby. And that's "As I See It", as you rightly pointed out.


    I've long held the opinion that the online side of geocaching should take a back seat to the 'field' side of the hobby, and I'm losing that argument.


    I see it happening, too, and I don't like it. Children who were still in diapers when I started caching are now dictating policy and telling me how caching works. (that's only a little bit hyperbolic) Geocaching started out to be about the experience of seeking and finding the cache. I'm not a Luddite, but I like change that results in progress, not change for the sake of change, or change to allow the dilution of the hobby (how's that for a term?).


    On 8/29/2021 at 4:12 PM, TeamRabbitRun said:

    You can now have a very prolific caching career without ever sitting in front of a computer, picking up a GPSr, a map or even turning on Location Services on your phone. All you have to do is look at the pretty picture, and you can see exactly which lamp post skirt you need to lift. Scandalous!


    Lamp posts in a parking lot, you know what you're going to get. Well, maybe you don't know about the wasp nest or whatever, but you'll find out about them soon enough. Micros in the woods, now. . . .  I frequently say Any putz can hide a micro, or even a nano in the woods that's hard to find. You want to impress me? Hide an ammo can that's tough to find.


    On 8/29/2021 at 4:12 PM, TeamRabbitRun said:


    The other side of that, which you sort-of ranted against (with my agreement), is the change in hiding habits, but that's just people. 


    Players are now being encouraged to disregard cache writeups and to display Hints as soon as they open a cache in the app.


    Really? It's been a while since I've hidden any, and now that we're settled here in Texas, I'm thinking about what I can put where. I might not conform to their wishes - I'm just not much for doing things I don't see the sense in doing.


    On 8/29/2021 at 4:12 PM, TeamRabbitRun said:

    Describing specific maintenance issues is discouraged in favor of blindly posting ONLY a "Something wrong here" log because apparently it was too confusing or too much work to both claim a find AND tell a CO that their Altoids tin is full of water.


    I always thought that they discouraged that because it's hard to tell the CO his Altoids tin is full of water without telling other cachers they're looking for an Altoids tin. Of course, I've been known to email the CO directly (assuming they're still active) and tell them exactly what I found, where I found it, and so on. That way they know, but the other cachers still don't get any extra clues. Oh, but emailing the reviewer who enabled the cache in the first place to let them know the cache is compromised and the owner last logged in in 2005 is remarkably ineffective. At least around here, reviewers ONLY react to Needs Archived posts. Anything less, they ignore.


    On 8/29/2021 at 4:12 PM, TeamRabbitRun said:

    There are PLENTY of things that GS has gotten right, and I'm appreciative of the VAST majority of how they've engineered the hobby as played through their website, but do I expect the 'online' side to continue the march toward social media-ness? 



    As long as possible, I'll cache my way, and write things up my way. If the day comes when I can't do it the way I want to do it, I'll just stop. No harm, no foul, fun while it lasted.


  7. On 8/26/2021 at 1:09 PM, TeamRabbitRun said:


    Because that's not the purpose of the Message Center.

    Want to have a social time? Go to social media.

    Want to contact a Cache Owner about their cache? Use the Message Center.


    It's a Message Center - its ostensible purpose is to send and receive messages. Not to "have a social time" or even to "have a group chat." If I want to send a message to one cacher, it's all good. If I want to attach a second recipient, oh HECK no!!  As I've repeatedly said, I find that odd.


    On 8/26/2021 at 1:09 PM, TeamRabbitRun said:


    If you start allowing group chats, then the server people at GS are suddenly in a different business. Most likely, the Message Center would have to become a Premium Service with an additional charge to pay for it.


    I highly doubt there are "server people" at GS. More likely, an IT person sets things up and they run on their own.


    On 8/26/2021 at 1:09 PM, TeamRabbitRun said:


    Then there's the angst involved in that kind of utility. Don't need it; don't want it.

    We need to keep advocating AGAINST the constant push toward this becoming Facebook.

    Upvoting, downvoting, virtual downvoting, exclusionary filtering: all recent "Why Don't We" topics in the forums. Not always successfully argued against, to the detriment of the hobby's website and app focus.


    Ah, now we come to the crux of the situation - you're against change that you don't like. I respect your opinion, but it's just an opinion, and it's just yours.


    Here's mine:  these forums aren't in any danger of becoming anything like Facebook or any of the other social media. Upvoting and all the rest? If you don't like it, don't do it. I rarely engage in any of that myself - I just don't care about how many "likes" I or anyone got. Since we have to see them, I would like to see who gave the "like" and so on, because I'm curious to see who agrees with me. But it's not even enough of an issue for me to bring it up for discussion anywhere.


    "Why don't we ...?" topics are how improvements are made, and how people who are perhaps getting fed up with things being retained as cachers. Besides, the time to prevent changes for the sake of change is long gone. Again, my opinion - when they started allowing micros in the woods, in places where you could hide a much larger cache, wouldn't be the annoyance they are if we didn't allow changes. That happened back in the early days, although I remember when hiders were asked why they were putting a micro out there in the woods. And caching used to be about hiking to a specific location, to see something. It wasn't about hiding a magnetic hide-a-key beside a garbage dumpster or sticking a micro under a light post skirt in the middle of a parking lot. The "change genie" is long out of the bottle, and there's no putting it back. Either accept that change in inevitable, or be miserable.


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  8. On 8/26/2021 at 9:49 AM, cerberus1 said:


    You do realize that in many areas it's still about 50/50 whether folks are using a phone or GPSr, right ?  :) 


    Sure I do - but you'll also have to admit that the phones are the tool of choice for the younger set, right? In other words, dinosaurs like myself (and apparently you) are losing ground in the "phones to GPSr" ratio. 


  9. On 8/26/2021 at 9:41 AM, arisoft said:


    I have no problems with the current "spam filter" solution. I have received practically no spam or, at least, I can not tell when I have seen spam in the Message Center. What kind of spam are you referring to?

    I wasn't referring to any spam - I get practically zero spam from anywhere, and that's fine with me. I was simply replying to others on here who referenced receiving spam as a reason to not permit any additional recipients to one's message from the message center to a fellow cacher. One recipient = good. Two or more recipients = can't be done, and your wheels will fall off if you try!


  10. With all the IT nerds Groundspeak employs, nobody has come up with a spam filter that works reasonably well?  I accept that the reason for not allowing multi-person communication in the geo sites is to control spam or other garbage, but isn't that a little 1990s?  I mean, if that's truly a concern, then let's go back to hand-held GPS and stop using the spam-collecting phones, instead of pushing the GPS devices to the back of the shelf. Nobody ever spammed my Garmin eTrex. 


    Again, I accept that this is the way it is, but I think it's unnecessarily restrictive and ill-thought in today's world.


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  11. Yes, I know I can communicate with my friends via many different forms of communication. I simply wondered why it was possible to send a message to one geo-friend, but not two (or more). One can't even add a second recipient to a discussion between two individuals. For example: "Hey, let's go caching this weekend!" "Great - and so-and-so wants to go, too. I'll include so-and-so in this message so we can all be on the same page."  Nope - can't do it. You have to stop your discussion and start it again on a different medium. 


    I find that puzzling in its lack of utility, given the technology we have available today. At least I now know why it's like that. 

  12. I can start a conversation with one other friend on my geo-list, so why can't I add another friend or two to that conversation? 


    It seems to me that this would be a common sense use for one's friend list. I'm told it's not possible to include more than one recipient to a message when messaging friends.  If that's true, may I suggest Groundspeak consider adding this function?



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  13. 34 minutes ago, humboldt flier said:

    I suppose one could routinely cache with an 18 wheeler tractor / trailer full of tools, ladders, canoes, kayaks, ropes, climbing gear, etc., etc. if the special tools are not CLEARLY cited somewhere on the cache page.  


    This from someone who has been "caught short" multiple times. >>> ( my special circumstance fanny pack morphed into a small backpack ..... ridiculous ) <<<.



    At a minimum I bring my Swiss Army Knife and a mirror-on-a-stick (if I'll be looking for urban micros). 


  14. 20 hours ago, The Jester said:

    So, your hobby is the game of geocaching? :D:P


    Side note Ed, does the Big Texas Steak Ranch down there still have the 72oz challenge steak?

    Yes, it does. I haven't had a go at it, and I don't plan to.  I like to be able to walk, instead of roll, away from the dinner table!  I'm always up for a good steak, though. 


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  15. 18 hours ago, The Jester said:


    But this is all going way off course - can geocaching be called a game?  I say yes, it has all the elements needed for a game.  Maybe not every element for every game, but what game does?


    I think it can be a game or a hobby, depending on what you want to get out of it. To me it's a hobby. Your mileage may vary.


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  16. 19 hours ago, The Jester said:

    How do you win?  By finding the cache.  As with solitaire, it not how many [whatever's], it's that hand - win or lose.  Sure, the solitaire app I use lists the total wins, but that's not the goal of the game.  Neither is the find count (or other stats) the goal of geocaching (although, some may try and make it that).  I see "win the hand" the same as "find the cache".

    That's caching the way you (and I) cache. But you know there are cachers out there to whom the stats/numbers are all-important. Are they doing it wrong? 


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  17. 4 hours ago, coachstahly said:


    The ultimate goal of any game - solitaire, Scrabble, hide-and-go-seek, tennis, etc... - is to win, whatever that might entail.


    How do you "win" geocaching?  Most fizzies?  Most finds?  Most DNFs?  Hardest challenge?  Easiest cache?


    Good points.


    4 hours ago, coachstahly said:


    TBH, I don't really care what it's called.  I've called it both a game and a hobby/activity.  


    Me too. But I started thinking about what constitutes a "game" versus a "hobby." There are different types of geocachers, who cache for different reasons. We all know "stats people" for whom it's all about the numbers. And we all know people who don't give a flying freep about the numbers, they're in it for the experience of finding a cache, whether it involves a hike or just pulling up to a lamp post. It gives them pleasure to make the find. They're the hobbyists. The people who are about the numbers are the gamers. These are, of course, only generalities. Your mileage may vary.


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