Mn-treker

No blame on reviewers here. This is plain and simple the COs fault all the way.

Apparently, this area was off-limits for good reason! Then, it probably should have been posted. Around here, you're not really trespassing unless you have been first warned, either verbally, or by a sign, and yet refuse to leave. Whatever happened to the concept of implicit permission? It sounds as though caches have been placed & approved here for quite some time before this. That would qualify as implicit permission according to my understanding. Yes you are correct to a point. If a fence is visable or crop residue or a crop or cattle. Really anything agricultural does not need to be posted. Trespass is automatically forbidden by law. Non Ag property must be posted to prohibit trespass. As you said when told that you are trespassing you need to leave. If you find that some woods are surrounded by a barbed wire fence, then assume it is Ag property. How well does that barbed wire fence have to be maintained for me to assume that it is marking private property? [ETA: That may be going too far off topic. ] That depends! WOW a great big if huh. Nice and new looking or maybe old and maintained. Stay out! Really old and broke down, again a big if. It would all depend on the mood the judge is in

True the water has been ruled a navigable water way. However in some states the land under the water and on the shore may not be trespass-able. This has been in the courts and not long ago. Again here in Minnesota it has been established that you may walk in a stream that goes through a farm property. You may not step out of it. There have been some property owners that have tried to arrest fisherman in the stream only to get into trouble themselves. I am aware that Montana is also a state that prohibits trespass on stream and river bottoms that pass through private property. Though I have also read that they are trying to change that law. My point is that you should not assume that a waterway is trespass-able. Most are but check first, there usually are good leagle reasons to prohibit trespass. I have personally placed trespassers under arrest in a stand of cattails. They assumed they could trespass claiming water. Big mistake Cattails are classified as wet-land, even when in a lake. Property line went all the way out to the waters edge. The cattails where posted. Trespassers lost there shotguns for that too. I would like to know why people feel that they can go anyplace they please with out checking. Here in our geocaching community we have had a few trespass issues. A few geocaches placed on posted property, no permission given. That person refused to check even though they saw the signs. their attitude was that, there was no way it could be private. DUH!! it was posted. With todays information there is no excuse, just go to the county website and look for a GIS map. If no GIS system for that county then get a platt book. When you have the correct info that you need you stay out of trouble.

Apparently, this area was off-limits for good reason! Then, it probably should have been posted. Around here, you're not really trespassing unless you have been first warned, either verbally, or by a sign, and yet refuse to leave. Whatever happened to the concept of implicit permission? It sounds as though caches have been placed & approved here for quite some time before this. That would qualify as implicit permission according to my understanding. Yes you are correct to a point. If a fence is visable or crop residue or a crop or cattle. Really anything agricultural does not need to be posted. Trespass is automatically forbidden by law. Non Ag property must be posted to prohibit trespass. As you said when told that you are trespassing you need to leave. If you find that some woods are surrounded by a barbed wire fence, then assume it is Ag property.

Not always true. In my county in Washington state, and I think the others here in Puget Sound, the property extends to mean low tide. Below this level is state land. So legally you can't walk on the property between high tide and mean low tide, it is private land. RI: "For the purposes of determining public privileges, case law has interpreted the landward boundary of the shore to be the mean-high water mark, or mean high-tide, as the arithmetic average of the high water heights observed over an 18.6-year Metonic cycle, not simply the high-water mark at any moment." You may want to check your laws again. That high water mark statement is not always true. Here in Minnesota no such thing as trespass allowed in the ordinary high water mark. That is the area that the DNR has control over as to what the private property owner may do. If you step out of the water on to private property then you are trespassing. In Colorado it is much worse. I went fishing there once and found that the law is such that you may not even touch the river or stream bottom. Private property includes the bottom of waterways. The only way that you could touch the bottom is if the land next to the river was public. You may not even touch the bottom with a paddle. I have read of cases where the property owner placed some one under arrest for that and won in court. And when they place you under arrest out there a gun is involved. As for me I stayed on public streams. So do not assume that shore land is trespassable.

You call that a Blizzard?? I still see grass. Not even enough to hide a geocache in. Blizzard: 1 to 2 feet of snow with strong wind. Unable to see 10 feet in front of you. I have driven in that, that is nothing here I'm sure he was just goofing around. And I don't have any percentages, but so many people who live in "the South" are Northern transplants, and think nothing of going the speed limit in 3" of snow, like some of us. Oh I know he was just goofing around. We Minnesotans just like to pick on the southern folk when they get a little snow and close the schools and roads. I have seen times when the snow buried some homes out in the western part of the state. Just like the east coast is getting hit by. We get a blizzard and I am out in it, I just kick in the four wheel drive and go darn near the speed limit. Two wheel drive, much slower. Put on the snowshoes that my daughter made for me and go caching. Maybe find a snow snake or two.

You call that a Blizzard?? I still see grass. Not even enough to hide a geocache in. Blizzard: 1 to 2 feet of snow with strong wind. Unable to see 10 feet in front of you. I have driven in that, that is nothing here

He dug a hole in the ground and he had food inside. See what happens when someone with zero finds hide a geocache? As the game grows things change. But Newbies should go find more before making a hide. Example: Newbie 0 finds made 1 hide, 20 feet from side of road in the woods. Turned out to be a trespass situation. The search was visible from property owners home. Point being all hiders need to verify legality of the hide. Those who search should also verify the legality of the hide. I did and made this discovery. The CO did not have permission. All who searched faced possible arrest. Why did this happen? The CO had absolutely no idea as to what to do to make a hide. Finding some and learning what to do would be a big help. How many should that be? I can't answer that I guess that would be up to the individual. Some are more responsible that others. Myself I waited till after 1000 and still fubar the coords by 400 feet (a typo error).

Ok so the Geochecker site got hacked. Ah so what! I have three puzzles on it, no big deal. What does it all mean? Answer the internet is not safe. We all knew that, so now the hole has been plugged for now and life goes on. This teaches all who have a web site that potential holes need to be found and plugged. These hackers are like geocache puzzle solvers. Some do it for kicks others for crime. So keep good strong passwords and different passwords for different sites. Cache on and stop the sniping. To those that also have puzzles there you will need to go get a new password to get in. Maybe change your puzzle if you do not want your answer out there.

I use Delorme PN60. I find that if I use the send to GPS function on the site some problems may happen. (1) If you load up many caches with the same name but at the end a slight difference. you can overwrite a previous load. Example: Hillside City Park- Elk River City Parks 26 GC35AH9. My unit sorts caches by name not GC number. So if I load up Hillside City Park- Elk River City Parks 27,it will over write number 26. The name is too long so the tail end of the name is ignored. Now I know the Etrex sorts by GC number. I do not know how the Dakota sorts. This long name thing is a Delorme thing and known about. Now if I do a pocket query then the long name thing is corrected somehow. (2) With a Delorme a hexadecimal issue will pop up due to symbols in the cache name. This drives the unit nuts, this only happens with the send to GPS function. If you run a pocket query then the hex.issue is corrected and all is ok then. What is up with your unit? I do not know, maybe even poor conection cable to computer. Maybe any of the issues I have stated, or could be your computer too. Good luck

The terrain rating should reflect the cache placement. A 25 foot height gets a 4 to 5. If it is above your reach it gets a 2 or better depending on how you get to it. A hanger will use a TOTT to get it down (2-3) Need to climb due to attachemnt, again height vs density of tree will determine terrain. 12 feet up a thick pine (2.5-3.5). The main thing is it is all subjective to the hider. We just had a 1.5 terrain archived due to poor terrain rate. It should have been a 3.5. The tree was taking damage due to poor placement. Wired to a branch (DNA vial) 12 feet up real thick tree.

It also is possible that the no trespassing sign was put up after the cache placement. The property owners may have gotten fed up with the traffic. I have personally seen this, my log was ignored. The reviewer then took action.

Add 24 foot long pole with hook on end( painters pole 8 foot three sections) UV flashlight, hacksaw blade, Anti gravity boots In general anything that you can dream up. There have been a few times I wish for them boots. The insanely high 40 foot micro in a pine tree.

Temp 6 degrees below zero. I went caching today looking for the Creepy Skinner. I was joined by WeBeTNT, together we spent over one hour looking for that little, little thing. While we were out there a man came by walking his dog. He also goes geocaching at times but did not want to stay for the fun. When all was said and done we got FTF for that one.

The Evil Empire: Now that sounds like a good name for a cache! Ruled by Darth Petey.

It may be true that they do not owe this to any one. But when you provide a service, Limitations are limited. Example back when pay phones where in these places they could not limit you as to who or where you called. Granted that was a pay phone but it was on their property. Also some used to provide a radio at the booth not coin operated. No limitation as to what you listend to. Now that really dates me. I can understand porno sites being banned but geocaching.com? If they provide a newspaper they are not allowed to cut out what they don't like.

Way to go! Adam Smith calls them "dollar votes," and you have cast your vote! Bravo! Don't assume what you do not know about. I did not say that I did not buy any thing. Those who assume make an (.) out of you and me. I will be darned if I will let you make one of me. But you are free to do that to yourself. My wife happens to like Taco Bell. But censorship gets my goat. So we will eat at someplace else. Maybe LA Casita. What gets my goat is needless hostility. I don't understand your response at all. You seem hostile, for no reason, to someone who was cheering you on. And they were responding to your comment that they don't have your business anymore. Those who assume...well, looks like you are doing all the assuming here. You are missing something here. A post just before this contained the remark that was related to this. That person has since deleted that post. So now mine don't make sense. They chose not to make an (.) of themselves. Sorry I should have quoted that post then it would not have disappeared.

This must be a kid. He still has not done a hide. He just will not understand what he needs to do. What he should really do is to find someone he knows that geocaches. That person can take him by the hand a guide him as to what he should do. Have fun kid.

Bring someone willing to climb a tree! That's what I do! When I had stepkids they were GREAT for that! So maybe when your daughter gets a little older she'll be scaling those trees like a monkey. :D Bring a 24 foot TOTT. That tree was most likely not climbable to that height. I have a few that high that no way you going to climb it.

Way to go! Adam Smith calls them "dollar votes," and you have cast your vote! Bravo! Don't assume what you do not know about. I did not say that I did not buy any thing. Those who assume make an (.) out of you and me. I will be darned if I will let you make one of me. But you are free to do that to yourself. My wife happens to like Taco Bell. But censorship gets my goat. So we will eat at someplace else. Maybe LA Casita.

Plain and simple all RR property is forbidden for trespass as per federal law. Some rail lines are on private property but with ROW. When the rail line abandons the line they remove it and property goes back to the original owner. If the rail line is the owner then even though the rails are gone trespass forbidden. Often times the state may take ownership and turn it into a bike path. But bottom line is PRIVATE PROPERTY. The reviewers often do not check with the county GIS maps as to ownership. Sometimes they use GOOGLE maps to do that, but that is goofed up and has wrong lines and info. I have had to fight with our reviewers about this and told them they had better use the county maps. I have always won out with this and prove ownership where I hide. I have only one on private property with permission. The rest are on public land and that is where the battles begin. I have to prove the property lines, I got to the county. I have found roads on GOOGLE that do not exist and claims of parks that do not exist. Claims of private property that is and always has been public. Don't trust GOOGLE KML or KMZ.

The web page gave no reason for the block. I think that they just have their heads where the sun don't shine. Either way they don't have my business any more.

Today I pulled into a Taco Bell. I decided to log some cache and found that they block Geocaching.com Well I don't think that I will go there again. They treat geocaching like it is a bad thing and an enemy website.

it is quite obvious that you need to learn more. I have not watched the videos So I don't know what you saw. Step (1) Click on the link Play - Hide and seek a cache. Step (2)Find the link Create a Geocache. Click on it and follow the directions. BUT FIRST YOU NEED TO GO HIDE IT!! and get cords. Or just go to the spot and get cords. Step (3) When you are all done creating the cache page look over it well. Is everything correct, are the cords correct. at the top right hand corner you will see the GC code. That is how you get a GC code. If you have not placed the container now you can make the label and go hide it. Step (4) Go back home open the cache page that you made,click on the submit link on the cache page. Step (5) Wait for the reviewer to publish it or tell you no go due to problems. Property issues-to close to another-unlawful spot. Or a whole host of other problems. Step (5) If published watch the finders log in. But dump the TUDE first. You have shown poor behavior. You have much to learn young one.

Look the guy only wants to know where to get labels. Geocaching.com click on the Shop link look around. There you will find kits labels Travel bugs Geocoins and a whole lot of stuff to get you going. But also go find more. Seeing reality VS a video is better. Welcome and have fun.