VentureForth

Sorry this doesn't have anything to do with geocaching. I just need some friendly U.K. help! Don't know if the first time I posted this got deleted by the moderators or if I never actually hit "Post Now". If it was deleted, I'll drop the whole thing. The topic at hand... I'm way over here in the U.S. I got in my grubby little hands a CD which was apparently part of a marketing ploy by Later magazine. Looks like a neat magazine - kinda like GQ or something. They don't have any kind of web presence and I can't find any evidence that they have been published since 2000. If someone could help me out a little, I just want to know if it's a decent magazine, and if it's still in circulation. R/T to London right now is only US$198 from Dallas. I could go find out for myself, but I'd rather tap into my UK Caching brethren. Thanks in advance! --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

quote:Originally posted by Dinoprophet:I posted this hoping to find some other solution that he could live with while preserving the bug. By definition, any alteration is no longer 'preserving the bug'. I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to see his cache police charter. quote:Originally posted by leatherman:That would be a cool find, although what would you trade? Hmmm... Maybe a Gerber Tool??? --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

There are some exceptions, though. There are several caches in the African savanah and Australian wilderness which are so remote they don't attract much traffic. These caches can probably go on for decades without having to be maintained. If ever a soul should wander upon one of these, it would be an almost archaeological discovery. On the other hand, when cachers place low quality caches in high traffic areas without establishing any responsibility - local or otherwise - that harms the community as a whole. Caches deteriorate in quality and cannot be easily restored. An example of a good idea gone bad is the cache at Disney's Castaway Cay. Since the ONLY way to get to it is by taking a rather expensive cruise, it's unlikely that visitors will have the resources to maintain it. As a cacher, your responsibility is to place quality caches, not something that will over a short period of time become litter. --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

quote:Originally posted by Criminal:The main point: EVERYTHING is dangerous! Stop trying to protect everyone from themselves and mind you own business! Which is the theme of the Desolation Wilderness thread. Which should really be everyone's theme. Wheter it's a Bible (which some cacher's remove from other caches) to laser pointers, to the whole cache itself, if it ain't yours, don't mess with it! Of course, I don't think that a fully loaded .357 is appropriate, but I hope most cachers can actually make wise decisions. --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

But keep them in the cache. Even though I still think it's overkill to even remove the batteries, I think it is wrong to detatch the batteries from the pointer altogether. Remember, this isn't a trade item, it's a travel bug. On those cheapo laser pointers, the cost to replace the batteries can exceed the cost to buy a new pointer. I respectfully suggest leaving it as is. --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

I don't have a problem with the laser. I don't have a problem with a pocket knife. 99% of cache hunters are responsible. Most kids hunting are usually supervised by their parents. --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

Not being real creative, I had the VF logo originally - a take off of the Van Halen logo. That was boring, so I went to this logo: This is a picture of my alter ego, Elmer. The one I am using currently was an attempt at graphic art using the theme from this old thread about a cacher who seems to find a lot of virtual caches, and has his hand in the exact same position in many 'proof photos' which strike a quite the resemblance of photos on tourism websites. Though it's outdated from that fun thread, I just felt like it was time for a change, and I'm too lazy to think of anything original. --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

Couldn't get in for the life of me. Then tried IE. No problem. Tried again w/Netscape, and the problem disappeared. Maybe a halloween 'trick'...... --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

quote:Originally posted by Duke_:Surely someone knows someone in congress. Maybe you could ask him to tack on a little pork to some bill saying Geocaching is ok in the WA since most geocachers are doing more good than harm. I met Phil Graham last night at a local rally. Really neat guy. Didn't get a chance to talk about geocaching, though. Since he's retiring, he's a lame duck anyway. --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

quote:Originally posted by Brokenwing:Parking my car and walking away from it does not grant anyone that comes along the right to take it. Unless, of course, you are parked in a no-parking zone.... Then a tow-truck will come and take it away without telling you, AND the tow truck driver ISN'T a cop, just acting on the direction of the police. Someone once said that every person has already broken one law or another. --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

These replies have NOTHING whatsoever to do with the topic at hand... Would you mind if I dialed 911 if I saw you going 70 in a 65? No, but I WILL call 911 if I see a drunk driver Called the cops because I heard you got a hummer in georgia? I don't know. Is it illegal to own a Hummer in Georgia? Placed you under citizens arrest because you ripped the tags of the matress?If I wasn't the consumer, go for it. Took down you license if the meter expires and you haven't gotten a ticket yet?If there's a cop around, and I can't get a space 'cause of the rascal, I'll let the cop know, sure! --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

Forget all the accusations about lying and drop the name calling. A year had past since the caches were placed (with purported oral permission). It is entirely possible that different rangers with the same authority as those who permitted the caches initially authorized the removal of said caches. See? tahoeberne and ski3pin could both be right. To (very lightly) defend ski3pin, she was acting under the authority of the ranger service. This is not unprecedented. The land manager at the park where I attained permission to hide two caches was eager to allow me to write tickets for lesser infractions around the park that needed attention, but he was too busy taking care of the 'real criminals'. It's within their right to 'deputize' as necessary. Really, my only theme in this whole barrage is that when ski3pin was asked to remove the caches by the rangers, she could have spent a little time communicating with the owners first. Did she have the authority to remove them? I would say so. As a volunteer, acting on the instructions of a person with the authority to enforce and interpret rules, she was just 'obeying orders'. Did she go out of her way to piss people off? The evidence is this thread... She could have done things different. The end. --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

Come on, Criminal. This thread has really taken a turn for the wilderness port-o-lets. We live in a society that is governed by the rule of law. Your land, my land, their land, doesn't matter. Doesn't matter how you feel. What matters is the LAW and the delegation of the responsibility to enforce that law. It is the blantant disregard of authority that creates chaos. Disagreements, misunderstandings, disputes, etc. can all be handled through diplomatic channels. This not only is the proper thing to do, but sets the precedent that we are not a wild bunch of wilderness destroyers, but rather a concerned group of citizens seeking to show the authorities that over regulation can be unnecessary and that our activity can co-exist peacefully with the mission of the land they are entrusted with. If there is a homeless person on a park bench after posted hours, it is NOT my responsibility to kick the dude out of the park. There is nothing wrong if I choose to call the police and allow them to make the decision whether or not the person should be removed. This entire thread is not about minding someone else's business. It's about respecting property and following guidelines. You don't have to use the radio buttons. But if a cache is truly located in an improper location, it is your duty to inform the powers that be of your discovery. It's only fair to the next cachers who may otherwise get a shotgun shoved in their face for trespassing. It really comes down to this: Cache is in a place commonly off limits to geocaching. Permission to hide, though, is granted. Someone else in same position of authority tells volunteer/cacher they can remove the caches 'cause they're illegal. Person removing cache gets an overwhelming sense of authority and jumps the gun in the confiscation process and doesn't seek communication with cachers who placed caches to see why they're there. --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

quote:Originally posted by Criminal:We have the right to hide/find a cache anywhere we like. We generally don’t hide/find them in a place we know to be against the rules or forbidden under the law. Last week I declined a “first find” because I didn’t want to disregard private property signs. Another cacher did log it though. Is it any of my business to report or remove the cache? NO! I reserve the right to break the law, well aware of the consequences. It is by choice, my choice, that I don’t. If a cache is blatantly 'against the guidelines', Jeremy has provided a "Cache should be archived" radio button on every log page. In Jeremy's infinite wisdom, this act will set off a series of events to allow the placer to either argue his case against why the cache shouldn't be moved or give the placer a chance to retrieve his own property. Jeremy ain't the law, but he does offer a version of 'due process' which should be respected by every cacher. --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

The thumbnail map of this cache event says that it's in "South Australia" instead of "South Carolina". Wow. An international event! --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

Uh oh. --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

Just make a copy of this thread, put it in an ammobox and hide it out in the wilderness for ski3pin to find. Her silence is indicative of non-participation in the forums (to be expected...I'll bet only 25% of geocachers ever come here, and only about a tenth of them probably post). --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

But does it require tromping through the delicate wilderness to access the cache? I mean after all, what good is a cache outside of the 'official boundaries' if you're gonna 'tromp' through the wilderness to get to it? Funny. The difference between this side of the imaginary line called a boundary and that side of the line is beauracracy. In all this mudpie serving, I've noticed that none of the three caches have been archived, nor requested to be archived (using the "Cache Should Be Archived" radio button), nor temporarily disabled. Now, I know that Jeremy is very prudent in reading posts here, but he's been pretty quiet on this issue. Has anyone contacted him about this? Has he made any comment to Ski3pin or to the cache owners? --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

So, I wonder what she DID do with the ammocans? Maybe keep them? Maybe dump them in a stream? And the contents... Are they now hers? Distributed amongst the other 'volunteers'? --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

Just gotta tiny li'l flame. I don't like it when cachers log their own cache as a FIND online. Sorry - a bit off topic. Back to topic, I log everything as soon as I can. I sometimes forget to correct the date on the online log if I log it the following day, though. --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

...Don't enforce the speed limit yourself by driving 5 MPH under the speed limit in the left lane. You're not a cop. Let the authorities handle the situation. (NO, this wasn't something I did - just some defensive driving conversation) If not doing something illegal, she certain is being nothing less than disrespectful and downright hateful. If she IS doing something legal and under the authority of the USFS, she should have the decency to ask first. --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

WHOOPS!!! The 'minimap' on the Alderaan cache page showed a map of Florida. It's really trying to get to Clermont, Indiana. But he has to run into Leia first. I guess Darth should start heading NE - to Ohio or somewhere where he can catch up with Leia (currently in By The Bluestone in West Virginia). Luke is on the move, too. Darth must travel NORTHEAST! --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

I can do one of two things: Keep him 'til I go to NC in December (around Christmas) and place him in a cache there. That's between Leia and Alderon. Great place to pick up the girl. It will also keep the number of cache hits low so that Luke can prevail in the forthcoming battle. The Dark Side feels the force.... Of course, I could just release him here in Texas and see what the Force does with DarthV. --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

Perhaps one of the reasons why you don't see the fire hydrant is because it could be in the ground with manhole access. They do that in Japan, and not being all over these great United States, I can't exclude that possibility. Just a thought.... VF --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!

Last May, I really thought that I was going to slow down my caching with the foliage growing, opressive heat, etc. In fact, I think people up North were GLAD to get the Summer coming so that they could hunt without the snow. Gee, now that I look at my stats, looks like more than half of my finds were pre-May. I guess I get into a groove, the caching seems less spontaneous but rather a weekly ritual. On the otherhand, maybe I can clean house during the week and go caching on the weekends after all. I can certainly find more all day on a Saturday than in a couple hours after work. For some reason, I really enjoyed night caching, but I haven't attempted it lately. Don't know why I've been so chicken. Hmmm... Also, my bestest caching buddy moved out of state. My family seems to be losing interest, and I have a harder time seeming selfless when I choose to spend so many hours away from home. pity party> Alright. The waning season is no longer. Dadgummit, I'm smart enough. I'm powerful enough, and by golly I NEED the exercise!! Thanks for your words of encouragement. Nice to get back to perspective. --------------- Go! And don't be afraid to get a little wet!